EPTPicking Kass against Cass/Ahri/Anivia? Well, here goes a 30 cs disadvantage for you pre-6.
Another problem with Kass is that he cannot shove the lane. His lane shove is on-par with LeBlanc's.
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Picking Kass against Cass/Ahri/Anivia? Well, here goes a 30 cs disadvantage for you pre-6. Another problem with Kass is that he cannot shove the lane. His lane shove is on-par with LeBlanc's. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 24 2012 18:19 Sufficiency wrote: The thing about Kassadin is that his pre-6 is so weak that it makes champions he is supposed to counter seem like Kass's hard counter. Picking Kass against Cass/Ahri/Anivia? Well, here goes a 30 cs disadvantage for you pre-6. Another problem with Kass is that he cannot shove the lane. His lane shove is on-par with LeBlanc's. What is anivia gonna do? Auto kass to death with her slow attackspeed? I don't think so lol. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
On July 24 2012 18:16 Sponkz wrote: No wonder they're low elo players if they're that retarded. No offence to anyone here on TL ^^ Counter-picking yourself like that, is like calling the police to tell them you're gonna rob a bank. It's stupid as fuck, and you should seriously re-consider what you're doing. You're not wrong, though a lot of people don't know how to counterpick anyway and just pick their favourite champ. That's just going by watching my brother play ranked at around 1150-1300 Elo. I think in about 50 games played I saw one, maybe two times that anyone swapped champs at the end of selection and since mid/top are the most desirable spots people usually pick them first. On the other hand I've only seen it backfire badly for him once - where he picked Brand as second pick and his opponent picked Fizz. It didn't end well for my brother. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On July 24 2012 18:23 JackDino wrote: What is anivia gonna do? Auto kass to death with her slow attackspeed? I don't think so lol. Auto him a shitton, get free q->e combo on him when kass goes in for cs. | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
On July 24 2012 18:19 Sufficiency wrote: The thing about Kassadin is that his pre-6 is so weak that it makes champions he is supposed to counter seem like Kass's hard counter. Picking Kass against Cass/Ahri/Anivia? Well, here goes a 30 cs disadvantage for you pre-6. Another problem with Kass is that he cannot shove the lane. His lane shove is on-par with LeBlanc's. Watched some Ocelotes games with Kass against Ahri couple of weeks ago. Every game he was camped, and in every game he was even /had more cs then Ahri... People usually push against Kass, and his W is a awesome tool to cs under a turret. | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On July 24 2012 17:59 Sponkz wrote: Why would you FP something that gets shit on by something anyways? Unless you're FP'ing morgana or malphite, you should wait with mid/top picks anyways. Because solo q LoL is a completely different game than "competitive" LoL. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1950 Posts
On July 24 2012 18:16 Sponkz wrote: No wonder they're low elo players if they're that retarded. No offence to anyone here on TL ^^ Counter-picking yourself like that, is like calling the police to tell them you're gonna rob a bank. It's stupid as fuck, and you should seriously re-consider what you're doing. Well, playing at 1100 these days, i usually try to get top as well. Reason is simple. At that elo, you have the highest chance of a really bad support or ad carry. 50% of last picks post " i don't support" before the game. So taking an ad carry becomes a lot less attractive by far. 25 percent of supports play stuff like ap nidalee with one ward. Y, it is a supportish champ. No you are not supporting. Stop last hitting! Buy more wards then the one you came to lane with. Don't facecheck as soraka. No Ali, you should not engage versus Miss Fortune Nunu as your cds are back up. Janna, trying to hit the enemy with your tornado and shielding after the engage is not good. You get my point. On the other hand, picking a support just to play with the idiot that didn't get top or mid and wanted ad cause it barely is sufficient for his ego, but can't last hit for shit is even more frustrating. And the jungler gets all the blame anyway. | ||
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Hakanfrog
Sweden690 Posts
I generally play mids that are strong in lane so getting counterpicked isn´t a big issue, I have seen people first pick leblanc though, people generally don´t think a lot in champion select. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1950 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 24 2012 18:39 dae wrote: Auto him a shitton, get free q->e combo on him when kass goes in for cs. That's the thing, you don't get to auto a good kass a shitton, and if you somehow do, you'll push the lane hard. That Q travels so slow you won't land that even when he goes for a cs. Not to add that he can silence while your Q travels etc etc, should go in the kassa thread though. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On July 24 2012 18:50 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Because solo q LoL is a completely different game than "competitive" LoL. So because it's different, it's "okay" to not use your brain and not be just a tiny bit strategic? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
So while I like to be first pick to be able to pick whatever I want and not waste bans on stuff like Darius or Kassadin (I'm back to baning Morg as I've faced ones I deemed terrible only to see my teammates unable to deal with them anyway, Shaco style), or simply bait the opponent into baning whatever my team wants banned so I can use ours for myself, it's also much more likely I'll get counterpicked so it can be frustrating (haven't played Olaf or WW or Pantheon in awhile now that I think about it, and WW hasn't been permaban for ~2 months now). My favourite spot's actually the 3rd one when the opponent has the first pick, since when it comes to calling roles I have a decent chance of getting at least one of my favs with only 2 picks ahead of me, and despite me picking at the same time as the 4th pick they usually don't use it and let me call (if I feel like doing it). On top of that, I pick after 3 opponents, and with the trend of picking solo lanes first it makes me much less likely to be counterpicked (often the opposite, unless they pick ambiguous stuff like Kennen or LS). Of course if I'm top then I'll be purple side top, but yet... | ||
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Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
On July 24 2012 19:21 Sponkz wrote: So because it's different, it's "okay" to not use your brain and not be just a tiny bit strategic? You can use all the strategy you want. You'll sometimes find that people will disagree, not care, or not react with your straregy on your team though, so for simplicicity sake, you play your own to your best. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 24 2012 19:14 JackDino wrote: That's the thing, you don't get to auto a good kass a shitton, and if you somehow do, you'll push the lane hard. That Q travels so slow you won't land that even when he goes for a cs. Not to add that he can silence while your Q travels etc etc, should go in the kassa thread though. Way I've played the matchup recently is just QEEWE, and just E him whenever he Q's to trade back evenly or positive(you should get 1-2 autos every time he tries to Q you), and then once you get wall you can go for kills. Defensive rune setup and you won't die to kass in lane post 6. Post 6 your kill potential pretty much is non-existent though unless the kass gets hit by stuff, with everything on CD. Also don't panic and just fire off Q. He'll just silence you and you will be very, very sad. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On July 24 2012 19:26 Fuzzmosis wrote: You can use all the strategy you want. You'll sometimes find that people will disagree, not care, or not react with your straregy on your team though, so for simplicicity sake, you play your own to your best. And what does that have anything to do with what C sheep wrote? Why would i care about my 4 other team mates, when i'm picking for a solo lane? The strategy i'm talking about, is not being a total derp and picking something where you either: a) Have strong confidence that the opponent cannot hard-counter you and rape you into oblivion b) Have strong confidence in your assumingly counter-pick (say you picked malphite vs. pantheon), making sure your opponent cannot out-smart you (pantheon goes jungle, they send rumble top). | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On July 24 2012 19:36 zulu_nation8 wrote: if you're good enough with kass you will be able to survive any lane and stomp the enemy team after like no other AP can. Lanes get countered about 20% of the time they're supposed to. The rest of the time whoever comes out ahead is determined by skill, and rightfully so. At pretty much every elo except for the highest, people have no idea how to trade in lane let alone how to trade successfully in a lane you're supposed to counter. As soon as the enemy ranged AD becomes strong enough to survive your burst, your stomp ends immediately. I'm not scared of a fed Kassadin at all as long as my team doesn't lose an inhib turret before the AD gets IE Zeal Negatron. And for that to happen, the Kassadin usually has to do more than just "survive" a lane. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Leonite7
Ireland921 Posts
On July 24 2012 19:36 zulu_nation8 wrote: if you're good enough with kass you will be able to survive any lane and stomp the enemy team after like no other AP can. Lanes get countered about 20% of the time they're supposed to. The rest of the time whoever comes out ahead is determined by skill, and rightfully so. At pretty much every elo except for the highest, people have no idea how to trade in lane let alone how to trade successfully in a lane you're supposed to counter. Yeah at my Elo (1300) I played against a team with morg mid and malphite top, most people were calling GG in champ select but then I saw that the enemies were the retarded feeding botlane from my last game and we absolutely fucking minced the shit out of them. | ||
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