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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
On July 23 2012 11:43 101toss wrote: It's terrible You lose 300 effective HP and you are also a coward. 13pot is the only option. -Dyrus Rofl User was warned for this post | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Qualm
721 Posts
On July 23 2012 12:07 BlackMagister wrote: Theorycraft, would Ashe Malzhar work as in Malz ults Ashe ults mid, super long stun guranteed kill. The only problem I see besides the kill not working it Ashe might lose her own lane ulting mid. Damn that's a really good idea. The only problem I see with it is that the enemy mid can just rush QSS and so you probably don't want to mess up your comp too much to get that gimmick to work. Or you could get a team that's heavy on physical damage so that rushing QSS ends up costing you a lot. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On July 23 2012 12:07 BlackMagister wrote: Theorycraft, would Ashe Malzhar work as in Malz ults Ashe ults mid, super long stun guranteed kill. The only problem I see besides the kill not working it Ashe might lose her own lane ulting mid. You're wayyyyyyyy overestimating how long malz ult lasts. | ||
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Craton
United States17289 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11894 Posts
On July 23 2012 11:09 tokicheese wrote: What kind of team composition would benefit the most from blitz as support? It also seems like when I play Naut I can cc someone for ages when ganking but my damage seems too low to actually do anything. I usually build him tanky going Regrowth+Pot>Philo>Boots>Blasting Wand>Catalyst>RoA then build w/e else depending on where the game is and the team comps. Should I be building more damage earlier and is RoA a decent item on Naut? I have never felt like i don't do enough damage as Naut. You are maxing W, right? When you are ganking, the enemy usually tries to run away anyways, so keeping him in place should be enough to allow you and the laner to kill him. I'd suggest a boots start, boots are good for ganking. And why would you build RoA on Naut? If you want damage, get Wits End. If you want more tankiness, get HoG or Aegis. Probably aegis nowadays. Philo-> Shurelyas is always nice too. Basically, you are a tanky CC bot that does adequate, but not absurd damage. I don't really see a RoA fitting for him, your AP scaling is not that good, the mana is mostly wasted, and there are far better items for tankiness. Considering that for the price of a RoA, you can get a wits end + half an aegis (ruby + nullmagic, f.E) Which leads to both more damage and more tankiness, i don't see why i'd build one. Also, all of the parts of this give more immediate benefits then the parts of a RoA. And i usually only build Wits End when i am getting all the kills, because then i feel like i need to be doing a bit more damage. If they end up with my laners, i usually don't get one till later, and get either aegis or a fast shurelyas. I am still not convinced what to think of HoG after the nerf, but Randuins is still pretty much something you want anyways. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 23 2012 12:51 Simberto wrote: I have never felt like i don't do enough damage as Naut. You are maxing W, right? When you are ganking, the enemy usually tries to run away anyways, so keeping him in place should be enough to allow you and the laner to kill him. I'd suggest a boots start, boots are good for ganking. And why would you build RoA on Naut? If you want damage, get Wits End. If you want more tankiness, get HoG or Aegis. Probably aegis nowadays. Philo-> Shurelyas is always nice too. Basically, you are a tanky CC bot that does adequate, but not absurd damage. I don't really see a RoA fitting for him, your AP scaling is not that good, the mana is mostly wasted, and there are far better items for tankiness. Considering that for the price of a RoA, you can get a wits end + half an aegis (ruby + nullmagic, f.E) Which leads to both more damage and more tankiness, i don't see why i'd build one. Also, all of the parts of this give more immediate benefits then the part of a RoA Naut's AP scaling is actually pretty strong... That said, RoA and most AP items are pretty bad on jungle Naut. I know Chu8 used to run lane tanky AP Naut (he did RoA->Abyssal iirc); some other high elo people also experimented with double dring -> abyssal Naut, kinda like how you can build Malphite. If you're going to go RoA you should be laning Nautilus. You simply won't be getting enough farm fast enough in the jungle for RoA/most AP items to be worth it. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On July 23 2012 07:45 Eppa! wrote: Karthus can't stop him from farming vastly outscales Cass. Also i have played some articuno, I have overestimated her. Karthus is better. Edit2: TF is suuuuuuuper good my mechanics suck balls put it doesn't matter when you can out gay teams with OP champs. Vastly outscale Cass? Cass scales just as well as Karthus (for the exact same reason... super low CD nukes), but brings a different kit to teamfights (AOE stun and more aoe damage instead of global ulti) | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
hmm, would potionmaster soraka work? | ||
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Thermia
United States866 Posts
On July 23 2012 13:04 sylverfyre wrote: Vastly outscale Cass? Cass scales just as well as Karthus (for the exact same reason... super low CD nukes), but brings a different kit to teamfights (AOE stun and more aoe damage instead of global ulti) Cass definitely does not bring more aoe damage to a teamfight than karthus... her ult can be much more devastating if you hit a great one but karthus does much more consistent, massive damage even if you get instagibbed or caught out of position since you can still zone, ult, and wall. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On July 23 2012 14:15 Requizen wrote: Per an inhouse I just played, what are you supposed to do as an AD in a game vs Panth? If I even showed my face in a teamfight, he'd demolish me, and I couldn't do much damage to him because of passive. What was your team comp? Could anyone peel Panth off you? If he somehow isolates you 1v1, you're boned without Exhaust. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On July 23 2012 14:15 Requizen wrote: Per an inhouse I just played, what are you supposed to do as an AD in a game vs Panth? If I even showed my face in a teamfight, he'd demolish me, and I couldn't do much damage to him because of passive. Sounds like an error in your positioning, or an error of the team not to burst him down if he was balls deep on you. Either your in a position where he doesn't have to go deep on you to kill you, or he is going deep and your team aren't peeling or bursting for you. Obv depends on more factors, like if the panth was fed, etc. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
 He doesn't have a good steroid like other ADCs, so building him standard doesn't seem like the best idea. I could sort of see an AS build working out, but then you're probably losing a lot of potential damage due to no IE. What do I level on him? I look at his skills, and I do W, E, Q, but I have no idea what to max. HOW DO I PLAY HIM (break down sobbing) | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On July 23 2012 15:03 Dark_Chill wrote: I recently started playing Varus, and he's the most confusing ADC I've ever played. How are you supposed to build him? Do you do the standard build, or go for attack speed, or what? I can't see any guides on lolpro either He doesn't have a good steroid like other ADCs, so building him standard doesn't seem like the best idea. I could sort of see an AS build working out, but then you're probably losing a lot of potential damage due to no IE. What do I level on him? I look at his skills, and I do W, E, Q, but I have no idea what to max. HOW DO I PLAY HIM (break down sobbing) Build him normal AD carry W>Q>E IMO. His steroids come from killing people. He works well with poke style play. In lane your autos do a lot of damage, autoattack them a few times then hit them with a spell. IMO take all armor pen red and quints instead of what most others use. Lane with someone like taric or leona and you have set your lane up to win fights to the death. | ||
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bmn
886 Posts
Just tried him out after a long hiatus, did surprisingly well top vs Jax. Trades really well, and once you get triforce he bursts pretty hard too. Are there any specific build/skill tips for him? I just went for standard ad caster/bruiser (triforce), wit's end seemed good too. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On July 23 2012 15:22 bmn wrote: Does anyone still play Jayce? Just tried him out after a long hiatus, did surprisingly well top vs Jax. Trades really well, and once you get triforce he bursts pretty hard too. Are there any specific build/skill tips for him? I just went for standard ad caster/bruiser (triforce), wit's end seemed good too. He is so stupidly broken that you can pretty much play follow the leader on your support and win with him. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On July 23 2012 12:26 Qualm wrote: Damn that's a really good idea. The only problem I see with it is that the enemy mid can just rush QSS and so you probably don't want to mess up your comp too much to get that gimmick to work. Or you could get a team that's heavy on physical damage so that rushing QSS ends up costing you a lot. Making the enemy waste 1400gold on no damage, lane won by malz ezpz. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On July 23 2012 15:26 mr_tolkien wrote: He is so stupidly broken that you can pretty much play follow the leader on your support and win with him. I go for Frozen Mallet + Atma's + Warmog. Maybe it's just me... | ||
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