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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 28 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote: So, what's the correct solution where conflicting advice is concerned? I was told to use a featured guide from solomid yesterday, and when I tried to use that build, people complained that I was maxing the wrong skills. Depends on the guide. Usually if it's a featured or approved guide you're safe but honestly don't put too much stock in what other people (non-TL I'd say) tell you to do anyway. Chances are they're dumb. :D | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 27 2012 14:35 swim224 wrote: Would it be possible to have a blacklist of names in the op? I imagine it would be useful for people who don't want to read all 21 pages of the thread. So far there's only been two (three?) People that shouldn't be invited iirc. Also, how are we deciding who to blacklist? Is one game of raging enough to warrent it, or should it be more than once? I wouldn't mine handling/managing it, but I don't really have the authority. I'll let Neo manage it unless he wants me too. So far we have: kerrDOG2 X17 unnamed player from 10 pages back other than those two I don't see any more. 5HIT said he is done playing so I don't know if he really needs to be added. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 28 2012 01:29 Perplex wrote: I wouldn't mine handling/managing it, but I don't really have the authority. I'll let Neo manage it unless he wants me too. So far we have: kerrDOG2 X17 unnamed player from 10 pages back other than those two I don't see any more. 5HIT said he is done playing so I don't know if he really needs to be added. I'm REALLY not convinced 5Hit was completely at fault in the recent one. He played a game on a team with my Varus and didn't rage, so there's more than just not playing well going on here. | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
On July 28 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote: So, what's the correct solution where conflicting advice is concerned? I was told to use a featured guide from solomid yesterday, and when I tried to use that build, people complained that I was maxing the wrong skills. It may sound like I'm repeating everyone else, but you really just have to play enough and learn for yourself. Even pros don't agree on builds i.e. some think IEdge on Ezreal is retarded but Chaox does it all the time or how Bob thinks Manamune on Yorick is a waste. I started using guides from Mobafire and now realize the sheer stupidity of most of the guides, but it was a good start. Sometimes, a cohesive build, as dumbas it is, is better than one that is all over the place. Just out of curiosity, what champion were you using? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 28 2012 01:50 jacosajh wrote: It may sound like I'm repeating everyone else, but you really just have to play enough and learn for yourself. Even pros don't agree on builds i.e. some think IEdge on Ezreal is retarded but Chaox does it all the time or how Bob thinks Manamune on Yorick is a waste. I started using guides from Mobafire and now realize the sheer stupidity of most of the guides, but it was a good start. Sometimes, a cohesive build, as dumbas it is, is better than one that is all over the place. Just out of curiosity, what champion were you using? Varus. A featured guide from solomid, telling me max W first over Q, since W at max and 3 stacks of the debuff makes any other ability on your target proc 15% hp as damage. Everyone yells at me if I do that though. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 28 2012 01:51 JingleHell wrote: Varus. A featured guide from solomid, telling me max W first over Q, since W at max and 3 stacks of the debuff makes any other ability on your target proc 15% hp as damage. Everyone yells at me if I do that though. Honestly, in theory crafting, I initially thought Varus max W would be decent at least. However, I've never played Varus. One issue with a lot of people I see is that they theory craft instead of play test. In all truthfulness, you just need to play games. I think you have like ~150ish normal wins? Just play a lot of games, figure out what works. After 200 ranked games with Viktor, I'm still developing builds and play styles. Think for yourself, but using guides as a very basic starting point isn't a terrible idea. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 28 2012 01:58 jcarlsoniv wrote: Honestly, in theory crafting, I initially thought Varus max W would be decent at least. However, I've never played Varus. One issue with a lot of people I see is that they theory craft instead of play test. In all truthfulness, you just need to play games. I think you have like ~150ish normal wins? Just play a lot of games, figure out what works. After 200 ranked games with Viktor, I'm still developing builds and play styles. Think for yourself, but using guides as a very basic starting point isn't a terrible idea. Well, it basically comes down to a choice between harassing with Q, which will soak your mana fast as hell, or being ready for teamfights with W. Your main value in a fight is with the root on R, and the slow/healing redux on E, plus of course damage, but for damage, autoattacking a couple times to lead into the CC is amazing. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 28 2012 01:58 jcarlsoniv wrote: Honestly, in theory crafting, I initially thought Varus max W would be decent at least. However, I've never played Varus. One issue with a lot of people I see is that they theory craft instead of play test. In all truthfulness, you just need to play games. I think you have like ~150ish normal wins? Just play a lot of games, figure out what works. After 200 ranked games with Viktor, I'm still developing builds and play styles. Think for yourself, but using guides as a very basic starting point isn't a terrible idea. Happy birthday Mr. Resident Viktor | ||
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jacosajh
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 28 2012 02:24 jacosajh wrote: I don't want to dilute this thread, but I agree. I would max W/E -> Q. I see Q on Varus as an almost useless skill. It's useful for trying to get the kill on someone who's running away or on the wrong side of terrain. Which is, in essence, a purely teamfight thing. It's certainly shit early game, when you don't have the mana to sustain it outside of teamfights, making the damage semi-useless. E is good, but it's a utility thing. I don't consider it much of an escape due to the animation stopping motion. If someone is really on your (very squishy) nuts bad enough that the slow is your best chance at escaping, you're fucking dead. Because stopping long enough to drop the slow is a guaranteed hit or two for any champ that you need to slow to escape from. Better to just build boots and a couple of doran's, then follow with a fast Zeal for move speed bonus before moving into heavy AD. Keep flash for escape. That's why I die so much if I get out of position with him, his E is terrible for escape. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Thanks. Korea time too fast, it's actually the 28th (Tomorrow). Is my 21st. No promises on making it through the weekend. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 28 2012 02:32 jcarlsoniv wrote: Thanks. Korea time too fast, it's actually the 28th (Tomorrow). Is my 21st. No promises on making it through the weekend. Oh shits dude Happy B-day! If I was around this weekend I'd sing to you on stream but I won't be.  | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On July 28 2012 03:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh shits dude Happy B-day! If I was around this weekend I'd sing to you on stream but I won't be. Chances are I won't be touching my computer this weekend anyway. No worries, I'll just cash in on that on Monday  | ||
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MindBreaker
United States574 Posts
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JVlRampage
United States2 Posts
i just started rank my schedule is every once in awhile | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
When I actually started playing inhouses with TL they were lots of fun and really mannered so I feel like that's different. Again, your call, you guys know who I am and how I conduct myself. I won't be offended either way. | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 28 2012 05:38 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Throw me on the tentative blacklist if you want, I most likely won't rage in an inhouse, the two times I did in the past 2 days were pickup blind pick games that I was taking random channel members for. I don't feel like I deserve to be blacklisted because of that but if you don't want me in the games I won't play. When I actually started playing inhouses with TL they were lots of fun and really mannered so I feel like that's different. Again, your call, you guys know who I am and how I conduct myself. I won't be offended either way. We'd love to have you since you can provide great insight and help lower level players improve. We just want to make sure the environment stays 100% friendly. We'll play it by ear on a trial basis for now.. i'm sure fellow TL'ers will show clemency given your history on the site. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
I AM JUST MAD I AM BAD | ||
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