If you're tired of solo que, can't find people to play with, or just want to get better, you're welcome to join fellow TL members in our North American in-house practice group.
This group's main purpose is to organize and play in-house 5v5 draft games. However, it is also appropriate to use it for:
• Finding a duo que partner • Organizing a ranked 5v5 team • Coordinating times to log on for future in-house games
How do I join?
Joining is easy. In the bottom right of the client, click the chat button and join "LiquidPractice". Picture:+ Show Spoiler +
Once you've joined, don't forget to enable autojoin by clicking the gear in the top right of the chat room and checking the box. Picture:+ Show Spoiler +
What to do once you've joined?
The first week or so will be a little rocky in terms of participation. However, once everyone figures out what time people sign on, activity should start to pick up. For now we'll all try to log on and get games running around 6 pm PST. Since everyone should be off work/school by then regardless of timezone. Note that this by no means the only time to play. Feel free to coordinate groups whenever enough people are logged on.
How do I know if a lobby is already in progress?
Simple! Either ask in chat, or just go to the custom game browser and and press "join a game". Next, check the box that says "show private games". LiquidPractice games are usually named "tlnet1". Type that in to the search bar and hit join. The password is 123. Please abide by the naming standard of tlnet1 // 123 when hosting lobbies. Should there be enough people to host 2 or even 3 games simultaneously, these games will be named tlnet2 and tlnet3 respectively. This system is subject to change if any problems arise, but should be fine for the foreseeable future.
Can we use voice chat during these games?
Yes! In fact you are encouraged to do so. Teamspeak has supplied TL with a 200 slot server to use for voice chat. We even have our own channel! To connect, follow these instructions.
5) Don't forget to bookmark the Teamliquid server for future use. Once you're authenticated, just press the bookmark button and then press yes when prompted. When you want to connect in the future, navigate to Bookmarks -> Teamliquid in the Teamspeak 3 client. (You can only bookmark once you're authenticated). Picture:+ Show Spoiler +
6) Lastly, once you're on the server, join the "TL Practice Lobby" channel. The password is "liquidparty". There are 4 rooms so we can run 4 games at once, and users can create their own temporary channels for their team within these channels. Thanks Neo and TheMango Picture:+ Show Spoiler +
Who's gonna play?
Anyone! Post in this thread using the following format and you will be added to the list below.
Summoner Name: TadH ELO: 1540 season 1 - currently stuck at 1250 ~ 1300 Preferred Role(s): Support, AD or Mid Schedule: After 5 weekdays, weekends varies
Summoner Name: Galladiator ELO: 1600~ Preferred Role(s): Top, Mid, Jungle, but willing to AD or Support as necessary, wanna learn Schedule: Mon - Fri 8pm-11pm PST, Sat/Sun 11pm PST till whenever
Summoner: Requizen ELO: BAD Preferred Roles: Will play anything necessary, like jungle, top, and support most. Schedule: Post 7 PM CST weekdays, whenever on weekends.
Summoner Name: Chill77 ELO: around 1400 Preferred Role(s): Mid, AD carry, Support, but can top and jungle Schedule: Usually free all the time, may change when back to school or get a job
Summoner Name: Atheros364 ELO: ~1300 Preferred Role(s): AD or Mid, I want to learn how to play every role but i mostly prefer ranged champs Schedule: on after 7:00 pm pst most days but also on randomly throughout the day
Summoner Name: Hiicantpk ELO: Hovering around 1300 Preferred Role(s): Mid, then Support, Then AD or Jungle. Schedule: Weekdays 10am-4pm, Sunday 10am-5pm, Variable other times (In Eastern Timezone). Can schedule time later at night if need be.
Summoner Name: DJForeclosure ELO: ~1150ish Preferred Roles: Support, Top, Jungle Schedule: Intermittently on weekdays after 5 and weekends.
Summoner Name: CeriseCherries ELO: Just shy of 1400 Roles: Mid, Support, Inconsistent top Schedule: Nights, Weekends, all the fucking time in summer
Summoner Name: Princess Garnet ELO: BAD Preferred Roles: I refuse to jungle, that is all. Schedule: On often, most active after 7pm PST.
Summoner Name: Frolossus ELO: 1650 Preferred Role(s): AP mid Schedule: 8pm-1am EST
Summoner Name: lSealions ELO: 1250~ Preferred Role(s): Top Schedule: Almost anytime after 1PM PST till like 10PM PST
Summoner Name: MindBreaker09 ELO: 800 Preferred Role(s): Support, Jungler, mid kennen Schedule: most days lol
Summoner Name: Lancer723 ELO: 1400s Preferred Role(s): Solo Top / Support Schedule: Usually after 7pm EST
Summoner Name: wraR Ravenleigh ELO: 1400 Preferred Role(s): AD carry, top, mid, can jungle and support too but not preferred. Schedule: every day, before 8pm and after 9pm est.
Summoner Name: WaveofShadow ELO: 1400-ish Preferred Role(s): Mid/jungle (Can play any role requested but those are probably my best) Schedule: Usually evenings.
Summoner Name: SamusArn ELO: BAD (1000) Preferred Role(s): In order: Jungle > Support > AD bot/AP Mid Schedule: Varies a lot, usually after 6pm PST until about 1am PST.
Summoner Name: Dalguno ELO: Started 1250, tanked to low Roles: Jungle, AD Schedule: Nights generally
Summoner Name: schmuttt ELO: 1400 Preferred Role(s): Jungle, support, morde mid Schedule: 7pm-very late for you Americans :D
Summoner Name: Torjuu ELO: 1350 Preferred Role(s): AD, Top - anything depending on my mood Schedule: Nights weekdays, random times on the weekend.
Summoner Name: Aseion ELO: 1620 Preferred Role(s): Can play anything at 1600 level, best at mid/AD carry Schedule: Everything but tuesday nights, saturday nights
Summoner Name: SoulSever ELO: 1350 Preferred Roles: Jungle, Support, Mid Schedule: On often, most active after 5pm EST.
Summoner Name: isLEEpwith ELO: 1200 (I need to play ranked more) Preferred Role(s): Support, AD, Jungle. my top/AP are awful Schedule: Its the summer so, kinda whenever.
Summoner Name: CustardCannon ELO: Pretty Bad Preferred Role(s): I'm fine with any role except AD carry, i'm terrible at it for some weird reason and I hate playing it. Schedule: Well i live in Aus so I play from 4pm AEST till late weekdays and almost 24/7 on weekends. I dont know how often I can play during the week with you cats because of time zones but weekends will be fine.
Summoner Name: SexySaluki ELO: TERRIBLE Preferred Role(s) Mained jungle but now im learning to play everywhere don't really play support though. Schedule: i dont know the relation between england and u.s (yes i play on NA) but im on most nights.
Summoner Name: Zabad ELO: Fluctuate between 1290-1400 Preferred Role(s): I like jungle the most though i can play anything Schedule: Summer for me so im on in the afternoons and nights mostly
Summoner Name: AerensianiC ELO: ~1250-1300 Preferred Roles: Haven't figured out a true role yet as in Solo Que I basically have learned a couple of champs in each role Schedule: Currently 3-10 pm EST but will change once school starts again.
Summoner Name: iamthatis ELO: Not enough games to have a rank (1-2) Preferred Role(s): No preference Schedule: Not available until July 30ish
Summoner Name: CitruSKnighT ELO: 982 Preferred Role(s): Jungle, Support, Top Schedule: 7AM-9PM EDT (depends on my work schedule, days I don't work I can play all day)
Summoner Name: Zergneedsfood ELO: 1350-1400 Preferred Role: ADCarry, Top, Support Schedule: Uhhhh....this is actually really variable, but I'll be on the client most of the time. It's just a matter of getting me to play. This will change once I get back to school.
Summoner Name: BlueLaguna ELO: 1700 Preferred Roles: Mid, adc, top, support, jungle in that order Schedule: On at nights and most of the day at weekends.
Summoner Name: ticklishmusic ELO: None on current account, around 1400 on old one. That was like 8 months ago though. Preferred Role(s): Support mostly, trying to learn jangling. I'm prettybad at ad carry cuz play mostly casters, but can play mid /top in a pinch. Schedule: Pretty much 12PM- 11PM. I might be afk though.
Summoner Name: goldenkrnboi ELO: 1650 Preferred Role(s): top. i only have like 1-2 solid champs for the other roles. trying to learn more. Schedule: pretty much any time, might change when school starts again
Summoner Name: WHnomad ELO: 1300ish (only done 3 games in ranked) Preferred Role(s): Jungle, top Schedule: 6 PM - 12 PM Central.
Summoner Name: LazyFailKid ELO: unranked (played 2 games lost both) Preferred Roles: jungle (everything else is really REALLY bad, although once i went 3/2 in mid as noc vs ahri with no ult use for ganks) Schedule: Variable right now but usually on during weekdays
Summoner Name: Porouscloud ELO: ~1600 Preferred Role(s): Anivia, Jungle, Top Schedule: Generally weekends and evenings.
Summoner Name: olabaz ELO: lvl 20 Preferred Role(s): AD Carry Schedule: 11 AM - 2 AM
Summoner: SurfSolar ELO: Fluctuates between 14-1500 Preferred Roles: Jungle, Support, a few mids (want to focus on latter two) Schedule: Most Weekdays 12- 8 PM EST, Weekends Variable
Summoner Name: walawalawala ELO: 1600 high, never really ranked Preferred Role(s): Jarvan, weird supports, everything but the jungler Schedule: sleep schedule varies a lot depending on other things, but generally afternoon-night PST.
Summoner Name: Aennia ELO: 1268 after 2 ranked games and 5 5v5 ranked games. Preferred Role(s): Jungle, Support, or Solo top but would like to learn every role and improve on everything in general. Schedule: After 9PM PST Mon-Thurs, Weekends vary, but usually most active after 7PM PST.
Summoner Name: Neegawhaa ELO: 1650~ Roles: Jungle, Support Schedule: After 8PM PST Mon-Thurs, varies during weekends.
Summoner Name: CSheep ELO: 1600 Preferred Role(s): Mid or feed Schedule: idk random times
Summoner Name: Thorzain oo ELO:1550 Preferred Role(s): Top or AD Schedule: A lot of free summer time
Summoner: ShakeDrizzle Elo: 2100 Schedule: after 3pm est.
Summoner name: jjonga Elo: 1541 Preferred roles: nil Schedule: random
Summoner: Daì Elo: 2k Schedule: Summer so lots of free time.
Summoner Name: Infecund ELO: 1761 Preferred Role(s): Janna/Taric support, jungle, top Schedule: usually free all day everyday... plans are kind of erratic (senior summer)
Summoner Name : Bezelheim Elo : 1976 or something Preferred Role : Mid Schedule : usually 2pm PST and beyond~
Summoner Name: Pyrotwin ELO: ~1400 Preferred Role: Anything, but my ad is trash and jungle is my strongest Schedule: Most evenings after 6pm EST, weekends vary
Summoner Name: ROOTCATZ1234 (used to be my favorite player) ELO:~900 Preffered Roles: I have tons of junglers, few AD bot and AP mid, and then i have 1 really good character in support and 1 really good at top lane. Schedule: depends on the day, but besides friday always open after 6.
Summoner Name: Bladeorade ELO: 1500+ Preferred Role(s): Top and Mid, but can play everything Schedule: Most days after 4PM EST
Summoner Name: Thunderjesus ELO: 1724 Roles: Mid, support, jungler, and occasional top Schedule: Usually I am around after 4pm EST everyday.
Summoner Name: ROverdose ELO: 1193 Preferred Role(s): Mid, AD Bot, Top Schedule: Varies
Summoner name: goliath16 Elo: N/A 2-0 so far Roles: top or jungle main but I can mid ok also. Schedule: varies day to day
Summoner Name: XephyrC ELO: 1850-1890 Preferred Role(s): Top, Mid, Support, can play any role effectively though. Schedule: Varies per day, Weekends are generally free.
Summoner Name: TeSPAExcellent ELO: 2000 Preferred Role(s): Top > Mid > AD Schedule: Weekends free, weekdays after 5pm central
Summoner Name: Mondeezy ELO: ~1400 Preferred Role(s): Can play anything, but normally ADC or top. Schedule: M-Th 6pm-9pm Pacific (usually afk for an hour to go to the gym or eat dinner), weekends varied.
Summoner Name: SpiritoftheTunA ELO: 1400ish Preferred Role(s): anything but ad ;______; (top best) Schedule: too addicted
Summoner Name: DragonxFist ELO: 1000-1100 Preferred Role(s): Play anything, enjoy Vlad top, Graves ADC and Alistar Jungle. Support as Sona mostly and mid with Ryze, Lux, TF, LeBlanc. Schedule: No Real Schedule, will leave League on pretty much all the tim
Summoner Name: Kanopy ELO: Im sitting at ~1270 but i generally play at a 1350-1400 level i just tend to not play ranked alot. Preferred Roles: None, I can and will play everything however my specalities are AD bot and Top Schedule: Whenever im not working (i work maybe 20 hours a week tops during the summer so very much am no lifeing on league 75% of the time.
Summoner Name: IHavsgudspelin ELO: 1346 Also doesnt really ranked Preferred Roles: Top/Jungle but can play mid/ad (Support is asking for trouble) Schedule: very similer to Kanopy
Name: 5HITCOMBO Elo: 1600 due to decay but screw you guys, I still shit on plats regularly AND I'M GETTING A NEW COMPUTER! REJOICE! 5HITCOMBO HAS MORE THAN 12 FEEPS! Preferred Roles: Anything but support
I am psyched for this. I fluctuate around 1350-1450 a lot, and mechanical issues are really holding me back. My cs is pretty lacking compared to a lot of other people I play, but it's hard to improve in solo queue. My game sense could also use some work (hey, maybe I should flash towards my team instead of away when I'm being chased). I feel like this could really help. Will join as soon as I get more ram for my comp, overheats way too much lol.
Summoner Name: TadH ELO: 1540 season 1 - currently stuck at 1250 ~ 1300 Preferred Role(s): Support, AD or Mid Schedule: After 5 weekdays, weekends varies
Summoner Name: Galladiator ELO: 1600~ Preferred Role(s): Top, Mid, Jungle, but willing to AD or Support as necessary, wanna learn Schedule: Mon - Fri 8pm-11pm PST, Sat/Sun 11pm PST till whenever
Summoner: Requizen ELO: BAD Preferred Roles: Will play anything necessary, like jungle, top, and support most. Schedule: Post 7 PM CST weekdays, whenever on weekends.
I'm generally up to play and on these forums when I'm not at work (well, I'm here when I'm at work to), so if someone ever wants to do some stuff, PM or post here.
I use skype for my chat, bit are there any better programs?
Edit: Summoner Name: Chill77 ELO: around 1400 Preferred Role(s): Support->mid->ADC->jungle->top, though want to practice mid/adc a lot. Schedule: Usually free all the time, may change when back to school or get a job
On July 14 2012 06:46 NeoIllusions wrote: Should set up a voice chat or some sort for this.
That's a great idea.. I think mumble would probably be our best bet. Having our own channel somewhere would be ideal but worst case scenario we can use the Reddit mumble and join a private channel (they have like 100+ channels). I'll look into this tonight.
On July 14 2012 06:50 Dark_Chill wrote: I use skype for my chat, bit are there any better programs?
I like Vent with my friends, but you have to pay :\ My one friend has a server, but I think there's a limit to number of folks that can be on it at once, and it's not really a public one.
Summoner Name: Atheros364 ELO: ~1300 Preferred Role(s): AD or Mid, I want to learn how to play every role but i mostly prefer ranged champs Schedule: on after 7:00 pm pst most days but also on randomly throughout the day
I am fairly new to LoL and I have only played a few ranked games but I like playing with a group and want to improve.
Summoner Name: Hiicantpk ELO: Hovering around 1300 Preferred Role(s): Mid, then Support, Then AD or Jungle. Schedule: Weekdays 10am-4pm, Sunday 10am-5pm, Variable other times (In Eastern Timezone). Can schedule time later at night if need be.
Summoner Name: DJForeclosure ELO: ~1150ish Preferred Roles: Support, Top, Jungle Schedule: Intermittently on weekdays after 5 and weekends. Sorry I can't be more specific... Always busybusybusy.
On July 14 2012 08:04 Navi wrote: i dont mind hopping in and helping ppl who have questions. i also hvae access to some smurfs so can duo as well when i got da time.
would be really cool if we could have you and other 2k people spectate and give advice on how we can improve. Ofc you can also play if you like too :p
Summoner Name: wraR Ravenleigh ELO: 1400 Preferred Role(s): AD carry, top, mid, can jungle and support too but not preferred. Schedule: every day, before 8pm and after 9pm est.
Summoner Name: WaveofShadow ELO: 1400-ish Preferred Role(s): Mid/jungle (Can play any role requested but those are probably my best) Schedule: Usually evenings.
May not be on all that often this weekend but during the week I'll be around. I'm mostly interested in the 5v5 inhouses or starting a ranked team if we get that going; I just recently recruited a bunch of new friends to play with so if it's just for normals and such I'd feel bad leaving them behind unless it was to try and be more competitive.
On July 14 2012 08:04 Navi wrote: i dont mind hopping in and helping ppl who have questions. i also hvae access to some smurfs so can duo as well when i got da time.
would be really cool if we could have you and other 2k people spectate and give advice on how we can improve. Ofc you can also play if you like too :p
Would be awesome.
Summoner Name: SamusArn ELO: BAD (1000) Preferred Role(s): In order: Jungle > Support > AD bot/AP Mid Schedule: Varies a lot, usually after 6pm PST until about 1am PST.
If this manages to get off the ground, people should inhouse as often as possible!
Do not rage. If teams are severely imbalanced, just /ff and start a new game and move players around. LP failed hugely (from what I hear) because of egos.
Be polite, aim to get better. glhf~
I'll idle in channel and answer questions from time to time.
On July 14 2012 12:06 NeoIllusions wrote: If this manages to get off the ground, people should inhouse as often as possible!
Do not rage. If teams are severely imbalanced, just /ff and start a new game and move players around. LP failed hugely (from what I hear) because of egos.
Be polite, aim to get better. glhf~
I'll idle in channel and answer questions from time to time.
If I might add, don't be afraid to take criticism as well, just don't take it personally. If someone tells you that you suck or need to be doing something else/better (hopefully they're doing it politely...), think about why they're saying what they're saying before raging out, and how you can improve your play; this is what inhouses should be for!
Summoner Name: Aseion ELO: 1620 Preferred Role(s): Can play anything at 1600 level, best at mid/AD carry Schedule: Everything but tuesday nights, saturday nights
Summoner Name: isLEEpwith ELO: 1200 (I need to play ranked more) Preferred Role(s): Support, AD, Jungle. my top/AP are awful Schedule: Its the summer so, kinda whenever.
On July 14 2012 13:07 Kouda wrote: I actually love this channel so much right now . CSheep gave me critique after my Ahri game that I think is really helpful. ^^
Your Ahri was freaking sick, how are you only 1250 ELO? Unless we were different games
Summoner Name: CustardCannon ELO: Pretty Bad Preferred Role(s): I'm fine with any role except AD carry, i'm terrible at it for some weird reason and I hate playing it. Schedule: Well i live in Aus so I play from 4pm AEST till late weekdays and almost 24/7 on weekends. I dont know how often I can play during the week with you cats because of time zones but weekends will be fine.
On July 14 2012 12:06 NeoIllusions wrote: If this manages to get off the ground, people should inhouse as often as possible!
Do not rage. If teams are severely imbalanced, just /ff and start a new game and move players around. LP failed hugely (from what I hear) because of egos.
This is good advice overall for any sort of team with people you want to play with on a regular basis. Please do not let egos get in the way of something good. You guys should think about not allowing some people who a general consensus finds as not willing to do so. Someone who brings the team down, isn't worth playing with even if you are winning. People will get tired of that type of attitude really quickly, even if they might be winning the game.
Also a voice chat as mentioned earlier is definitely needed. Enjoying a game is pretty infectious, and it does a lot when you have that one guy having fun which somewhat turns the mood around if you are on a losing team. If you do end up still losing, it's a lot easier to handle when you enjoyed the game.
One last thing, try to have someone lead the game if you do use voice chat, and have your team agree to listen to him/her. It's helpful!
Be polite, aim to get better. glhf~
I'll idle in channel and answer questions from time to time.
Not good enough to idle myself, but same as above, gl, hf, and ggs.
Summoner Name: Mamashi ELO: i am lvl 16.... Preferred Role(s): i can play what i think is a passable mid, and certain ap tops like swain/morg. and am trying to learn all other roles, with learning jungle or support as my next two roles. no real interest in ad, nor in brusier top. Schedule: i am a chef in real life and work stupid ammount of hours with a schedule that changes constantly, so.....idk.
Summoner Name: SexySaluki ELO: TERRIBLE Preferred Role(s) Mained jungle but now im learning to play everywhere don't really play support though. Schedule: i dont know the relation between england and u.s (yes i play on NA) but im on most nights.
Summoner Name: Zabad ELO: Fluctuate between 1290-1400 Preferred Role(s): I like jungle the most though i can play anything Schedule: Summer for me so im on in the afternoons and nights mostly
On July 14 2012 13:07 Kouda wrote: I actually love this channel so much right now . CSheep gave me critique after my Ahri game that I think is really helpful. ^^
Yeah, KKnD Kiss gave me a lot of advice for support. This channel owns and we had a lot of fun playing in houses
Summoner Name: AerensianiC ELO: ~1250-1300 Preferred Roles: Haven't figured out a true role yet as in Solo Que I basically have learned a couple of champs in each role Schedule: Currently 3-10 pm EST but will change once school starts again.
On July 14 2012 13:07 Kouda wrote: I actually love this channel so much right now . CSheep gave me critique after my Ahri game that I think is really helpful. ^^
was it "Ahri is a useless champion"? Because that's all he says about her LOL
Summoner Name: CitruSKnighT ELO: 982 Preferred Role(s): Jungle, Support, Top Schedule: 7AM-9PM EDT (depends on my work schedule, days I don't work I can play all day)
Summoner Name: Zergneedsfood ELO: 1350-1400 Preferred Role: ADCarry, Top, Support Schedule: Uhhhh....this is actually really variable, but I'll be on the client most of the time. It's just a matter of getting me to play. This will change once I get back to school.
Summoner Name: BlueLaguna ELO: 1700 Preferred Roles: Mid, adc, top, support, jungle in that order Schedule: On at nights and most of the day at weekends.
Summoner Name: ticklishmusic ELO: None on current account, around 1400 on old one. That was like 8 months ago though. Preferred Role(s): Support mostly, trying to learn jangling. I'm prettybad at ad carry cuz play mostly casters, but can play mid /top in a pinch. I think part of it is confidence issues from playing so much dominion and assuming I might be worse than friends who play normals and trying to avoid having to play more flashy positions. Schedule: Pretty much 12PM- 11PM. I might be afk though.
I will update the op when I get home this morning.. looks like you guys got in some games last night.. good stuff! I will try to join you all tonight for round 2
I will bring mumble info for those who want to use voice chat (unless someone else figured out something already).
On July 15 2012 03:44 Perplex wrote: I will update the op when I get home this morning.. looks like you guys got in some games last night.. good stuff! I will try to join you all tonight for round 2
I will bring mumble info for those who want to use voice chat (unless someone else figured out something already).
Summoner Name: goldenkrnboi ELO: 1650 Preferred Role(s): top. i only have like 1-2 solid champs for the other roles. trying to learn more. Schedule: pretty much any time, might change when school starts again
Summoner Name: LazyFailKid ELO: unranked (played 2 games lost both) Preferred Roles: jungle (everything else is really REALLY bad, although once i went 3/2 in mid as noc vs ahri with no ult use for ganks) Schedule: Variable right now but usually on during weekdays
Summoner: SurfSolar ELO: Fluctuates between 14-1500 Preferred Roles: Jungle, Support, a few mids (want to focus on latter two) Schedule: Most Weekdays 12- 8 PM EST, Weekends Variable
Summoner Name: walawalawala ELO: 1600 high, never really ranked Preferred Role(s): Jarvan, weird supports, everything but the jungler Schedule: sleep schedule varies a lot depending on other things, but generally afternoon-night PST.
Note: Haven't played that much league in a while but I look forward to exciting inhouses.
On July 15 2012 07:19 Wala.Revolution wrote: Summoner Name: walawalawala ELO: 1600 high, never really ranked Preferred Role(s): Jarvan, weird supports, everything but the jungler Schedule: sleep schedule varies a lot depending on other things, but generally afternoon-night PST.
Note: Haven't played that much league in a while but I look forward to exciting inhouses.
Scumbag wala should just stick to tera and doters and not bring scumbaggery back to LoL imo.
Summoner Name: Shiogi ELO: idk, ended 1400ish last season. Preferred roles: AD>Top>Jungle>Support>Mid. Would like to get more mid practice though. Schedule: If I am on LoL I can probably play, no real set schedule.
Summoner Name: Aennia ELO: 1268 after 2 ranked games and 5 5v5 ranked games. Preferred Role(s): Jungle, Support, or Solo top but would like to learn every role and improve on everything in general. Schedule: After 9PM PST Mon-Thurs, Weekends vary, but usually most active after 7PM PST.
On July 15 2012 07:19 Wala.Revolution wrote: Summoner Name: walawalawala ELO: 1600 high, never really ranked Preferred Role(s): Jarvan, weird supports, everything but the jungler Schedule: sleep schedule varies a lot depending on other things, but generally afternoon-night PST.
Note: Haven't played that much league in a while but I look forward to exciting inhouses.
Scumbag wala should just stick to tera and doters and not bring scumbaggery back to LoL imo.
Summoner Name: Shiogi ELO: idk, ended 1400ish last season. Preferred roles: AD>Top>Jungle>Support>Mid. Would like to get more mid practice though. Schedule: If I am on LoL I can probably play, no real set schedule.
If you ask wala to support, get ready for jarvan or pantheon. #1 scumbag!
I feel kind of bad for those at 1200- and 1800+. You're generally going to get stomped or stomp your lane since the majority of TL in the group seems to be between 1500 and 1650. Thanks to the platinum players though that come and play something random to give us bads a chance =).
Summoner Name:Whomaniac ELO:Level 13... >.< Preferred Role(s):AD Carry, Tank. Schedule:Not much of a schedule per say, but the free time that Summer has provided me with.
Summoner Name: Thorzain oo ELO:1550 Preferred Role(s): Top or AD Schedule: A lot of free summer time
Hey guys there a nice little tournament someone is organizing for 1600 elo and below players.(never been above 1700) Seems like no prize but there might be a victorious Ryze, not sure. I'm 1500 something elo and would love to find some others here to play with. Let me know if there is any interest, could be fun.
Edit: The prizes include RP for top 4 team and triumphant Ryze so its a great opportunity. The seedings is based on average elo so nearer to 1600 elo might be advantageous.
Aug 11/12
Thought I'd add this here in case there is any interest.
On July 15 2012 09:50 Lmui wrote: I feel kind of bad for those at 1200- and 1800+. You're generally going to get stomped or stomp your lane since the majority of TL in the group seems to be between 1500 and 1650. Thanks to the platinum players though that come and play something random to give us bads a chance =).
eh i just play support, can definitely help out a lesser player on ad or something but wont stomp anyone on your own (except when i killed a morgana from ~40% hp earlier with janna, that was hilarious)
still, if i was trying to get better id much rather play against someone that would stomp me than someone that i would stomp
Hopefully if you're 1800+, you stick to support and don't demoralize the game. That is unless everyone knows what you're capable of and wants you to play a non-support. lol
On July 15 2012 10:36 Feartheguru wrote: Summoner Name: Thorzain oo ELO:1550 Preferred Role(s): Top or AD Schedule: A lot of free summer time
Hey guys there a nice little tournament someone is organizing for 1600 elo and below players.(never been above 1700) Seems like no prize but there might be a victorious Ryze, not sure. I'm 1500 something elo and would love to find some others here to play with. Let me know if there is any interest, could be fun.
Edit: The prizes include RP for top 4 team and triumphant Ryze so its a great opportunity. The seedings is based on average elo so nearer to 1600 elo might be advantageous.
Aug 11/12
Thought I'd add this here in case there is any interest.
On July 15 2012 14:18 HazMat wrote: Join the game and click on "spectate" or have someone who is in the inhouse added and right click their name and click "spectate."
I think the problem is if the person's a lurker. They didn't join the game in time to spec and they don't have any friends added. ;_;
btw anyone worried about the skill gap i still encourage you to play my elo is below 500 and i felt not as good as others but felt i learnt alot and i had a semi decent game out of 2 going 6-0 i think.
I think if you are getting stomped or feel uncomfortable of your lane matchup just ask someone who is doing good on your team for advice, this isn't ranked so you hopefully won't get a douchebag answer like "JUST STOP FEEDING SCRUB"
On July 15 2012 19:02 PallasAthena wrote: I think if you are getting stomped or feel uncomfortable of your lane matchup just ask someone who is doing good on your team for advice, this isn't ranked so you hopefully won't get a douchebag answer like "JUST STOP FEEDING SCRUB"
It's probably okay to ask enemy laner as well since the point of this is to improve. Especially if you're laning against somebody better than you, you might die without knowing what you did wrong. Your team won't necessarily be watching to figure out why until after the fact. Also you can ask spectators after the game.
Just a few mistakes I saw from people(keep in mind some of them are lower level players, mostly related to top). Enemy laner right clicks you, you right click back because "I can't let him get a free hit". Proceed to die to 10 creeps. That's a positioning mistake. If there are 10 creeps in a lane, it's going to push, quite quickly at that. At that point, especially melee vs melee, you just sit in exp range and wait for it to hit tower because you aren't going to lose more than 1-2 CS anyways when it pushes that hard.
Keeping advantages - If you got a kill on the other guy, spend some of that money on a ward. In a lot of matchups, assuming you don't make multiple bad trades, the only ways for the other guy to come back is to either outscale(irelia, jax and a few other champs), or ganks. I saw one game where top half of the map had one ward in the first 20 minutes. Unless you get fed to the point where you can take both jungler/mid and toplaner at once, you should keep warding.
Summoner Name: Infecund ELO: 1761 Preferred Role(s): Janna/Taric support, jungle, top Schedule: usually free all day everyday... plans are kind of erratic (senior summer)
Summoner Name: Pyrotwin ELO: ~1400 Preferred Role: Anything, but my ad is trash and jungle is my strongest Schedule: Most evenings after 6pm EST, weekends vary
This is alot Of fun. I feel like I have good mechanics and it's just game knowledge/experience holding me back so this is great. Now if only we could get high elo players to spectate and critique.
Summoner Name: ROOTCATZ1234 (used to be my favorite player) ELO:~900 Preffered Roles: I have tons of junglers, few AD bot and AP mid, and then i have 1 really good character in support and 1 really good at top lane. Schedule: depends on the day, but besides friday always open after 6.
would u guys prefer for advice to be given in the post game chat or in the chat room itself? i will make an effort to give advice in real time but there will be some that is best said after game. also, when asking for inhouses, i'm gonna (and presume others will) invite the whole chatroom. so if you prefer not to be invited, let me know pls.
alright let me give you a list of things i noticed Navitar (10:05): first, the opening Navitar (10:05): why do you like meki2pot? Navitar (10:05): cause it definitely has its perks Torjuu (10:06): mostly to farm Torjuu (10:06): i use q alot for last hits Navitar (10:06): mm okay pyrotwin (10:06): hard to dodge those skillshots without boots though Navitar (10:06): good to know your reasoning Navitar (10:06): agree with pyro Navitar (10:06): its very important Torjuu (10:06): shouldnt really have been dueling give the setup Navitar (10:06): im gonna first give my advice in here Navitar (10:06): for every1 else who wants to read it. Navitar (10:06): we were doing ahri vs ryze Navitar (10:06): as ryze, since ahri has 2 skillshots Torjuu (10:07): yeah, i couldn't really counter your last hits either Navitar (10:07): having boots will allow you to dodge the longer ranged ones more easily Navitar (10:07): for what you mentioned Navitar (10:07): about using q to lasthit as ryze Navitar (10:07): its pretty mana inefficient imo Shiogi joined the room. Navitar (10:07): and if the opponent sees you lasthit with q Navitar (10:07): that gives them free space to harass you in Navitar (10:07): without fear of being counterharassed by your q Navitar (10:07): and then back off especially if you dont have boots Navitar (10:08): cause you can't catch up if you dont use your w Navitar (10:08): but in either case Navitar (10:08): using w / using q to lasthit Navitar (10:08): you will be running oom very quickly Navitar (10:08): even with meki2pot Navitar (10:08): if i have to summarize what you need to improve in 3 phrases Navitar (10:08): it'd be 1. lasthitting with autoattacks primarily Navitar (10:08): 2. counterharassing / harassing at all Navitar (10:09): 3. i forget swim224 (10:09): lol Navitar (10:09): oh yeah Navitar (10:09): 3. mana management Navitar (10:09): a lot of people have trouble with 3 Navitar (10:09): even at higher elos Navitar (10:09): cause they think too hard on 2 Navitar (10:10): hmm. Torjuu (10:10): fair enough Navitar (10:10): maybe ill post this in the thread Navitar (10:10): instead pyrotwin (10:10): i actually run movespeed quints on ryze along with boots vs skillshot champs, dunno how common that is, but ryze needs to be fairly passive early, doesnt really have the mana pool to duel early Navitar (10:10): so that others can get the advice s well swim224 (10:10): alright! Does any1 else want to join us? Navitar (10:10): i run movespeed on a LOOOT of champions Navitar (10:10): but a lot of others dont Navitar (10:10): so preference
continuing: 1. being able to lasthit with your autoattacks only allows you to save your skills for harassing / counterharassing with your spells. this also ties in with 2. if you set up a predictable pattern of lasthitting, your opponent can go in for autoattacks when you go for an autoattack. and they should get away with an extra if it time it correctly. the things that prevent people from going with this aggression is a combination of counterharass (especially if your spells are stronger / have more cc at that level) and creep aggro, as creeps tend to do a LOT of damage earlygame. so when you set up a lasthit, ideally the opponent has a lasthit that they would miss when they go for the counterharass AND they will eat some creep aggro when they go for the attack. 3. try not to waste too much mana at level 1, as ryze's q is pretty damage - mana inefficient at level 1 (most spells tend to be). even with meki opening, you ran out of mana very quickly, and i had no threat of being counterkilled as a result post 3.
On July 16 2012 02:17 Navi wrote: For ahri vs ryze: + Show Spoiler +
alright let me give you a list of things i noticed Navitar (10:05): first, the opening Navitar (10:05): why do you like meki2pot? Navitar (10:05): cause it definitely has its perks Torjuu (10:06): mostly to farm Torjuu (10:06): i use q alot for last hits Navitar (10:06): mm okay pyrotwin (10:06): hard to dodge those skillshots without boots though Navitar (10:06): good to know your reasoning Navitar (10:06): agree with pyro Navitar (10:06): its very important Torjuu (10:06): shouldnt really have been dueling give the setup Navitar (10:06): im gonna first give my advice in here Navitar (10:06): for every1 else who wants to read it. Navitar (10:06): we were doing ahri vs ryze Navitar (10:06): as ryze, since ahri has 2 skillshots Torjuu (10:07): yeah, i couldn't really counter your last hits either Navitar (10:07): having boots will allow you to dodge the longer ranged ones more easily Navitar (10:07): for what you mentioned Navitar (10:07): about using q to lasthit as ryze Navitar (10:07): its pretty mana inefficient imo Shiogi joined the room. Navitar (10:07): and if the opponent sees you lasthit with q Navitar (10:07): that gives them free space to harass you in Navitar (10:07): without fear of being counterharassed by your q Navitar (10:07): and then back off especially if you dont have boots Navitar (10:08): cause you can't catch up if you dont use your w Navitar (10:08): but in either case Navitar (10:08): using w / using q to lasthit Navitar (10:08): you will be running oom very quickly Navitar (10:08): even with meki2pot Navitar (10:08): if i have to summarize what you need to improve in 3 phrases Navitar (10:08): it'd be 1. lasthitting with autoattacks primarily Navitar (10:08): 2. counterharassing / harassing at all Navitar (10:09): 3. i forget swim224 (10:09): lol Navitar (10:09): oh yeah Navitar (10:09): 3. mana management Navitar (10:09): a lot of people have trouble with 3 Navitar (10:09): even at higher elos Navitar (10:09): cause they think too hard on 2 Navitar (10:10): hmm. Torjuu (10:10): fair enough Navitar (10:10): maybe ill post this in the thread Navitar (10:10): instead pyrotwin (10:10): i actually run movespeed quints on ryze along with boots vs skillshot champs, dunno how common that is, but ryze needs to be fairly passive early, doesnt really have the mana pool to duel early Navitar (10:10): so that others can get the advice s well swim224 (10:10): alright! Does any1 else want to join us? Navitar (10:10): i run movespeed on a LOOOT of champions Navitar (10:10): but a lot of others dont Navitar (10:10): so preference
continuing: 1. being able to lasthit with your autoattacks only allows you to save your skills for harassing / counterharassing with your spells. this also ties in with 2. if you set up a predictable pattern of lasthitting, your opponent can go in for autoattacks when you go for an autoattack. and they should get away with an extra if it time it correctly. the things that prevent people from going with this aggression is a combination of counterharass (especially if your spells are stronger / have more cc at that level) and creep aggro, as creeps tend to do a LOT of damage earlygame. so when you set up a lasthit, ideally the opponent has a lasthit that they would miss when they go for the counterharass AND they will eat some creep aggro when they go for the attack. 3. try not to waste too much mana at level 1, as ryze's q is pretty damage - mana inefficient at level 1 (most spells tend to be). even with meki opening, you ran out of mana very quickly, and i had no threat of being counterkilled as a result post 3.
I think it's an interesting idea to post it on this thread. It seems like it may benefit more people, and can be saved for later use in a miscellaneous information type of thread on TL.
I browse the forums quite often, but I'm a lurker... hopefully that doesn't change much.
Summoner Name: XephyrC ELO: 1850-1890 Preferred Role(s): Top, Mid, Support, can play any role effectively though. Schedule: Varies per day, Weekends are generally free.
Summoner Name: Mondeezy ELO: ~1400 Preferred Role(s): Can play anything, but normally ADC or top. Schedule: M-Th 6pm-9pm Pacific (usually afk for an hour to go to the gym or eat dinner), weekends varied.
On July 16 2012 07:38 Perplex wrote: Also, i'm going to update the OP with voice chat information later this afternoon so look forward to that. Hopefully we can get our own private channel in the TL teamspeak 3 server
There are a bunch of channels under the LoL section on the TL TS3, if we need more channels I can always add some.
Summoner Name: DragonxFist ELO: 1000-1100 Preferred Role(s): Play anything, enjoy Vlad top, Graves ADC and Alistar Jungle. Support as Sona mostly and mid with Ryze, Lux, TF, LeBlanc. Schedule: No Real Schedule, will leave League on pretty much all the time.
Summoner Name: Kanopy ELO: Im sitting at ~1270 but i generally play at a 1350-1400 level i just tend to not play ranked alot. Preferred Roles: None, I can and will play everything however my specalities are AD bot and Top Schedule: Whenever im not working (i work maybe 20 hours a week tops during the summer so very much am no lifeing on league 75% of the time.
my brother who doesnt really use TL is
Summoner Name: IHavsgudspelin ELO: 1346 Also doesnt really ranked Preferred Roles: Top/Jungle but can play mid/ad (Support is asking for trouble) Schedule: very similer to Kanopy
Name: 5HITCOMBO Elo: 1600 due to decay but screw you guys, I still shit on plats regularly AND I'M GETTING A NEW COMPUTER! REJOICE! 5HITCOMBO HAS MORE THAN 12 FEEPS! Preferred Roles: Anything but support
In other news, we're working on setting up channels within the teamliquid teamspeak3 server for our inhouse games. In the mean time people are using mumble, so just stick with that and sit tight for the time being. When it's ready i'll update the OP
Summoner name: Jackhammer18 ELO: between 1450 and 1500 Preferred Roles: able to play any role but want to focus on my play in top and mid specifically Schedule: usually able to play during any night, but it changes as my work schedule changes. Should be a lot of fun to get in on the practices and get better at the game!
Milo brought up a good point in the channel earlier, about how "competitive" LoL is much different from solo queuing, which I definitely agree with.
This channel is super young, so no rush, but after we play some random pick-up in houses and get to know each other a bit, I think it's super cool to have people who play semi-regularly with each other scrim.
We had an informal little scrim tonight where a few of us who play together regularly played vs a pick-up team of people from the channel who were, overall, much stronger individually. The result was a long, fairly close, and pretty fun (at least we thought it was nice) game.
tl;dr scrims are fun, form teams/groups and play each other!!! Random in houses are great for getting to know each other, but there's a lot to be gained, even for those of us with no pro-gaming aspirations, from playing a relatively set role with a relatively static group of people imo :3
Also if anyone ever wants to scrim and have 5, talk to me and we'll see if we can get one going.
On July 16 2012 13:19 Ares[Effort] wrote: Created three channels on TeamSpeak for in house, this way we can have both teams in their own channel. Also made lobby if you're not playing.
We actually already have a channel "NA TL Inhouse Practice" right above the one you made but having 2 channels is good because often times we have 2 games going at once, and need 4 separate channels (one for each team).
perhaps we can standardize the passwords? "123" vs "liquidparty"
edit: is there a way to clean up the Teamspeak server so I don't see all of the non-Liquidpractice channels opened every time I log in? I managed to get it down to about 10 of the large channels (with just TL community groups and Liquidpractice open) but when I re-opened the program everything was back to how it originally started. Chaos, I say.
On July 16 2012 13:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Milo brought up a good point in the channel earlier, about how "competitive" LoL is much different from solo queuing, which I definitely agree with.
This channel is super young, so no rush, but after we play some random pick-up in houses and get to know each other a bit, I think it's super cool to have people who play semi-regularly with each other scrim.
We had an informal little scrim tonight where a few of us who play together regularly played vs a pick-up team of people from the channel who were, overall, much stronger individually. The result was a long, fairly close, and pretty fun (at least we thought it was nice) game.
tl;dr scrims are fun, form teams/groups and play each other!!! Random in houses are great for getting to know each other, but there's a lot to be gained, even for those of us with no pro-gaming aspirations, from playing a relatively set role with a relatively static group of people imo :3
Also if anyone ever wants to scrim and have 5, talk to me and we'll see if we can get one going.
On July 16 2012 13:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Milo brought up a good point in the channel earlier, about how "competitive" LoL is much different from solo queuing, which I definitely agree with.
This channel is super young, so no rush, but after we play some random pick-up in houses and get to know each other a bit, I think it's super cool to have people who play semi-regularly with each other scrim.
We had an informal little scrim tonight where a few of us who play together regularly played vs a pick-up team of people from the channel who were, overall, much stronger individually. The result was a long, fairly close, and pretty fun (at least we thought it was nice) game.
tl;dr scrims are fun, form teams/groups and play each other!!! Random in houses are great for getting to know each other, but there's a lot to be gained, even for those of us with no pro-gaming aspirations, from playing a relatively set role with a relatively static group of people imo :3
Also if anyone ever wants to scrim and have 5, talk to me and we'll see if we can get one going.
TL;DR: MAKE MOAR TEAMS, THEN MOAR SCRIMS
O/T: Thanks to Mango and Ares for TS3 channels.
Neos, want us to give you a list of names and other things and we can maybe add teamlists on the OP or something?
If TS channels are full for League, then feel free to hop into any empty channel. Or just find anyone with a TLNet icon and they can make you another channel if demand gets high.
PS: Cheep > Neo. I saw it with my own eyes last night. Big huehue
Summoner Name: HPoirot ELO: Unranked(no solo queue games to speak of) Preferred Role(s): Support, Jungle Schedule: Nothing going on right now, so pretty much available whenever.
Real fun games so far, nice to actually see some activity in a Liquid channel.
On July 16 2012 15:35 Slaughter wrote: So need to go out and get a headphone with mic on it for this Played a game today with some fine gentlemen and we even won with me feeding top ^^
On July 16 2012 13:19 Ares[Effort] wrote: Created three channels on TeamSpeak for in house, this way we can have both teams in their own channel. Also made lobby if you're not playing.
We actually already have a channel "NA TL Inhouse Practice" right above the one you made but having 2 channels is good because often times we have 2 games going at once, and need 4 separate channels (one for each team).
perhaps we can standardize the passwords? "123" vs "liquidparty"
Deleted the other channel, use 'TL Practice Lobby' Channels. Password is 'liquidparty'
Summoner Name: iaeuy Elo: 1600-1700 don't play ranked too much unless bly baits me into duoing Preferred Roles(s): Mid > AD >> Support >>>> Top > Jungle Schedule: Random, probably won't play too regularly but we'll see
ShakeDrizzle: if people set this channel on autojoin then it will be the new afkparty ShakeDrizzle: i think people should only join when theyre up for a game/spectate/chat ShakeDrizzle: but that's just me
On July 17 2012 00:57 HazMat wrote: ShakeDrizzle: if people set this channel on autojoin then it will be the new afkparty ShakeDrizzle: i think people should only join when theyre up for a game/spectate/chat ShakeDrizzle: but that's just me
I think it would be easier if people just set themselves to "away" when they're away, but there's really no way to enforce that :\
Luckily we haven't had any problems with mass-afk people yet, but I know yesterday we needed 2 more people and there were 12 afk idling in chat ><
On July 16 2012 23:34 iaeuy wrote: Summoner Name: iaeuy Elo: 1600-1700 don't play ranked too much unless bly baits me into duoing Preferred Roles(s): Mid > AD >> Support >>>> Top > Jungle Schedule: Random, probably won't play too regularly but we'll see
Summoner Name: Vowels Elo: 4k tru but he dont know it Preferred Roles(s): Keeping the game lighthearted and fresh while carrying really bad bads Schedule: Being the hero Spud deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
Hey id just like to say thanks to all the higher guys that are really helpful to the lower guys, like im finding it really useful myself and i introduced my friend to tl yesterday missmaddie and she was having a rought time mid yet nobody raged at her and was really helpful, and even when she didnt want to mid any more games becasue she felt bad our team made her so she gets more practice.
On July 17 2012 00:57 HazMat wrote: ShakeDrizzle: if people set this channel on autojoin then it will be the new afkparty ShakeDrizzle: i think people should only join when theyre up for a game/spectate/chat ShakeDrizzle: but that's just me
this sounds like a quality idea as the autojoin afk definitely contributed to the current state of liquidpartys afk
Summoner Name: Tehaldo ELO: Lvl 23 (Yeah..I know...writes about LoL...isn't level 30) Preferred Roles: Support, Jungle, and top (I really suck at top though) Schedule: anytime after 9 PST
Summoner Name: 'silhouette nine' / 'nanaoei' ELO: not played solo or organized since preseason Preferred Roles: hmm... gimicky, i main nida solo-lane,, panth jungle/top. support as taric/soraka. i prefer (in order) top, mid, ranged ad, jungle, or support depending. Schedule: 4-12 PST
feel free to add either accounts (primarily silhoeutte nine) i'm down for duo queues!
As some people know, I was having some technical errors earlier. In the end, I had to reinstall windows x.x, I have yet to reinstall League, probably going to do that in a little bit. I apologize to those who were in the games with me, it was inconvienent for you guys to have to deal with it.
So apparently a bunch of people enjoyed watching the stream and spectating. If more people are interested I can do this pretty often, and maybe we can get some of the high level and knowledgeable players in to do actual commentary with me?
We can do it seriously and get good analysis (Yango) or we can shit talk and make fun of baddies (5HIT mebbe?)
On July 17 2012 00:57 HazMat wrote: ShakeDrizzle: if people set this channel on autojoin then it will be the new afkparty ShakeDrizzle: i think people should only join when theyre up for a game/spectate/chat ShakeDrizzle: but that's just me
this sounds like a quality idea as the autojoin afk definitely contributed to the current state of liquidpartys afk
Summoner Name: jco8a ELO: 1400-1500 Preferred Role(s): Any position, but I only play pantheon and teemo. Thinking about picking up jayce. Schedule: Varies.
On July 17 2012 12:56 WaveofShadow wrote: So apparently a bunch of people enjoyed watching the stream and spectating. If more people are interested I can do this pretty often, and maybe we can get some of the high level and knowledgeable players in to do actual commentary with me?
We can do it seriously and get good analysis (Yango) or we can shit talk and make fun of baddies (5HIT mebbe?)
In a couple of weeks I'll have my new computer and we can definitely get some poking fun at baddies in!
Also, if you're interested, whenever I'm on I'll be throwing up games. I like normals a lot and I'm not too serious anymore so join up with us to get a taste for some oldschool TL pre-ranked games, where we'd 5 man into like, CLG, with our team doing some retarded all ranged AD comp.
Summoner Name: ujustdiedumad ELO: 1170-1280 Preferred Role(s): AD > Top >>> Mid >>>> Support >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jungle. That's mostly how it is for me in solo queue, i think support is my best role but finding a decent AD in solo queue at that ELO...yeah Schedule: Varies, can be on as early as 7am PST, will rarely be on past 8pm PST. Recently i haven't been that active but playing with a group like this probably will.
On July 17 2012 12:56 WaveofShadow wrote: So apparently a bunch of people enjoyed watching the stream and spectating. If more people are interested I can do this pretty often, and maybe we can get some of the high level and knowledgeable players in to do actual commentary with me?
We can do it seriously and get good analysis (Yango) or we can shit talk and make fun of baddies (5HIT mebbe?)
In a couple of weeks I'll have my new computer and we can definitely get some poking fun at baddies in!
Also, if you're interested, whenever I'm on I'll be throwing up games. I like normals a lot and I'm not too serious anymore so join up with us to get a taste for some oldschool TL pre-ranked games, where we'd 5 man into like, CLG, with our team doing some retarded all ranged AD comp.
Lol I've definitely noticed a difference between playing with you and sucking hard now vs sucking hard like a year and a half ago. 5HITCOMBO, now with 75% less rage! I've already talked with Soniv a little about doing commentaries so I might be able to make this a regular thing if I can keep getting people who are interested. Looking forward to your new computer!
Made a tl practice rank 5 team last night got off to a good start winning first game then we lost 2 which i blame myself for went 4 some stupid plays but good practice sorry 4 my bad play and a little raging was really tired 6 am im new dyrus worst calls na.
Summoner Name: Baffels ELO: 940(just started ranked) Preferred Role(s): I play all roles but prefer Top, Jungle, or Support. Schedule: After 7 PM MTN usually
On July 18 2012 14:04 goldenkrnboi wrote: dat singed doe. QQ
SO ridiculous. I recommend people check out my stream channel to watch jjonga dodge everything in sight and win top lane like a boss. (watch from about 40 minutes on or so, the 7/17 TL Inhouses VOD. You won't be disappointed.)
Thanks to everyone who watched tonight,as well as those who played and allowed me to commentate. You guys are all improving! Thanks to Soniv as well for being a classy guy and commentating with me.
On July 18 2012 14:04 goldenkrnboi wrote: dat singed doe. QQ
SO ridiculous. I recommend people check out my stream channel to watch jjonga dodge everything in sight and win top lane like a boss. (watch from about 40 minutes on or so, the 7/17 TL Inhouses VOD. You won't be disappointed.)
Thanks to everyone who watched tonight,as well as those who played and allowed me to commentate. You guys are all improving! Thanks to Soniv as well for being a classy guy and commentating with me.
On July 18 2012 14:04 goldenkrnboi wrote: dat singed doe. QQ
SO ridiculous. I recommend people check out my stream channel to watch jjonga dodge everything in sight and win top lane like a boss. (watch from about 40 minutes on or so, the 7/17 TL Inhouses VOD. You won't be disappointed.)
Thanks to everyone who watched tonight,as well as those who played and allowed me to commentate. You guys are all improving! Thanks to Soniv as well for being a classy guy and commentating with me.
Summoner Name: XxTarteAuSucrexX ELO: BAD (i don't know, I play since one week and i'm lvl 8 ) Preferred Roles: Bot, top, mid. (doesn't really like too tank or jungle) Schedule: after 5pm East during week. Depend on weekend
On July 19 2012 04:33 Alaric wrote: Aww, watching the VoD from yesterday atm, I hoped to see Seuss jungling poney when I saw him picked but in the end nope. :<
i played toplane horse instead cuz monte slacking np
On July 19 2012 04:33 Alaric wrote: Aww, watching the VoD from yesterday atm, I hoped to see Seuss jungling poney when I saw him picked but in the end nope. :<
i played toplane horse instead cuz monte slacking np
On July 19 2012 04:33 Alaric wrote: Aww, watching the VoD from yesterday atm, I hoped to see Seuss jungling poney when I saw him picked but in the end nope. :<
i played toplane horse instead cuz monte slacking np
We're lucky he didn't play vaporized build.
On another note, there was another played that AFK'd while we were playing arranged normals. Not sure if he d/c'd, or AFK'd (he was feeding top pretty hard), but this shouldn't really be allowed as well.
Also, try to limit the raging at teammates that aren't doing well. Phrasing is important, don't sound like a d-bag when trying to make suggestions. We're here to learn.
On July 19 2012 04:33 Alaric wrote: Aww, watching the VoD from yesterday atm, I hoped to see Seuss jungling poney when I saw him picked but in the end nope. :<
Sorry to disappoint. I'm in the practice group largely to help other people and get better at my weaker roles. Terrorizing everyone from the jungle wouldn't have been very productive on either count.
Also I have stage fright.
That said I've been streaming whenever I solo queue/play with TL B, so you can probably catch me playing Hecarim there.
On July 19 2012 04:33 Alaric wrote: Aww, watching the VoD from yesterday atm, I hoped to see Seuss jungling poney when I saw him picked but in the end nope. :<
i played toplane horse instead cuz monte slacking np
We're lucky he didn't play vaporized build.
On another note, there was another played that AFK'd while we were playing arranged normals. Not sure if he d/c'd, or AFK'd (he was feeding top pretty hard), but this shouldn't really be allowed as well.
Also, try to limit the raging at teammates that aren't doing well. Phrasing is important, don't sound like a d-bag when trying to make suggestions. We're here to learn.
i guess i should change that build. i made that thread shortly after hec came out, and there are better builds.
it was fun playing with the dudes i just played with. nasus. that is all.
I'm not sure that random inhouses with just people learning is the best way to go about tihs. Playing on random teams with little coordination seems kind of like solo queue. Sure there's less rage, but at the end it just seems like another version of playing alone.
I think what would be more useful is if people were to form little groups of 5 and just scrim each other repeatedly, get used to each other's play and form teams. The game becomes a lot more intense and enjoyable with regular teams playing against each other. Plus, pregame trash talk. Allllll the trash talk.
It's more than just randoms, though. Everyone critiques and helps one another, points out weaknesses and strengths, and you can assure that no one trolls for the most part. It's already a step up from solo queue.
On July 19 2012 10:40 LightRailCoyote wrote: I'm not sure that random inhouses with just people learning is the best way to go about tihs. Playing on random teams with little coordination seems kind of like solo queue. Sure there's less rage, but at the end it just seems like another version of playing alone.
I think what would be more useful is if people were to form little groups of 5 and just scrim each other repeatedly, get used to each other's play and form teams. The game becomes a lot more intense and enjoyable with regular teams playing against each other. Plus, pregame trash talk. Allllll the trash talk.
Sometimes you get matched up with people who far exceed your skill level. Generally when that happens you get crushed, but they can actually tell you what you are doing wrong. At an even skill level, it's often very difficult to see what mistakes the other guy is making, but when you are significantly better, there are mistakes that are blatantly obvious, that even though they only put you a bit behind, if you do it repeatedly, it adds up.
On July 19 2012 10:40 LightRailCoyote wrote: I'm not sure that random inhouses with just people learning is the best way to go about tihs. Playing on random teams with little coordination seems kind of like solo queue. Sure there's less rage, but at the end it just seems like another version of playing alone.
I think what would be more useful is if people were to form little groups of 5 and just scrim each other repeatedly, get used to each other's play and form teams. The game becomes a lot more intense and enjoyable with regular teams playing against each other. Plus, pregame trash talk. Allllll the trash talk.
Dunno, I haven't run into much trash talk, and the games that people actually get onto voice chat have been really helpful - other people talking helps -me- be more map aware because I'll instinctually be helping call where enemies are on the map etc.
Being on TS really helps since even if the lower level players have to try to improve their mechanics, their decision making is really helped by the better players actually making calls, even if it's as simple as "3 up in 5, take tower and b", "mid/jungle coming bot, get out".
Biggest things to note from what I've seen.
1. Adjust your build depending on your lane, especially top lane against APs vs ADs. As udyr against kennen for example, a wriggles is a pretty dead end item. It gives nothing to help you against a the revolver and increased AP that a kennen will most likely build. Instead, look towards mercs and a wits end,
A second example of this would be midlane vs veigar. Instead of building towards increased AP amounts, build towards survivability+damage. My personal favourite is going abyssal+haunting guise. If I can't have AP, have mpen.
2. Trading in bottom lane. There's a lot of variation in ADs and burst potential and sustained damage. Graves is an example of an AD that has both, his buckshot does a lot of frontloaded damage and quickdraw attackspeed allows him to trade with almost anyone on fairly even terms beyond that which is why he's such a strong laner. The other side of the scale features ADs like caitlyn who excel at single shot harass but cannot take anyone directly with either burst or sustained damage. It'll take time but knowing the potential of the other AD helps with decisions on how to and when to trade.
3. Avoid being under 70% health and oom in any lane. If the enemy laner sees this, they can continuously shove the lane and force you to miss cs to b or play extemely dangerously since they know you can't realistically combo them. Ask the jungler to help you push it out so you can b or just get the jungler to hold. Don't sit there and be zoned off of creeps for 3-4 minutes at a time and wind up missing more than the wave you'd miss otherwise.
On July 19 2012 10:40 LightRailCoyote wrote: I'm not sure that random inhouses with just people learning is the best way to go about tihs. Playing on random teams with little coordination seems kind of like solo queue. Sure there's less rage, but at the end it just seems like another version of playing alone.
I think what would be more useful is if people were to form little groups of 5 and just scrim each other repeatedly, get used to each other's play and form teams. The game becomes a lot more intense and enjoyable with regular teams playing against each other. Plus, pregame trash talk. Allllll the trash talk.
Dunno, I haven't run into much trash talk, and the games that people actually get onto voice chat have been really helpful - other people talking helps -me- be more map aware because I'll instinctually be helping call where enemies are on the map etc.
It was joke, when we have a team of five vs another team of five, we can trash talk each other huehuehue.
To reiterate what Neo said a few pages back: MORE SCRIMS MORE TEAMS ETC
On July 18 2012 14:04 goldenkrnboi wrote: dat singed doe. QQ
SO ridiculous. I recommend people check out my stream channel to watch jjonga dodge everything in sight and win top lane like a boss. (watch from about 40 minutes on or so, the 7/17 TL Inhouses VOD. You won't be disappointed.)
Thanks to everyone who watched tonight,as well as those who played and allowed me to commentate. You guys are all improving! Thanks to Soniv as well for being a classy guy and commentating with me.
see, when you say it like that... T-T hahaha
that video is the reason i don't like the rupture change QQ
On July 19 2012 13:01 NeoIllusions wrote: What Cheep said
MOAR TEAMS, MOAR SCRIMS!!~
No, but seriously, find friends and make teams. No joke~
As much as I'd love to do this..
Two of the friends I usually play with are pretty new. Like, level 15s. I feel that if we matched up vs another TL team they'd get stomped (which I don't mind because they'd learn -- but it'd be boring for the other team I imagine).
I guess I would be down to team up with some TLers and then just have a seperate team with them though.
Is there a possibility of putting an average skill level next to a team in the OP once people start forming them? I think it'd be much better for matchups (could average ELO or something like that).
On July 19 2012 13:01 NeoIllusions wrote: What Cheep said
MOAR TEAMS, MOAR SCRIMS!!~
No, but seriously, find friends and make teams. No joke~
As much as I'd love to do this..
Two of the friends I usually play with are pretty new. Like, level 15s. I feel that if we matched up vs another TL team they'd get stomped (which I don't mind because they'd learn -- but it'd be boring for the other team I imagine).
I guess I would be down to team up with some TLers and then just have a seperate team with them though.
Is there a possibility of putting an average skill level next to a team in the OP once people start forming them? I think it'd be much better for matchups (could average ELO or something like that).
Level 15s are pretty low, probably just have them play more normal games until they feel more comfortable with the game. At their level, they're barely scratching the surface of LoL.
In due time, when we have more teams assembled, would be nice to schedule games with other TL teams near/around your elo.
In the end, the whole point of LP in general is to promote friendly competition.
On July 20 2012 01:45 MindBreaker wrote: I gotta say i dont feel like i learned much last night. what are you supposed to learn vs a ez morg bot lane lol.
On July 20 2012 01:45 MindBreaker wrote: I gotta say i dont feel like i learned much last night. what are you supposed to learn vs a ez morg bot lane lol.
Mindbreaker you probably have to go up against an AD who isn't Vowels. Sometimes going against someone who's skill level is much higher than yours helps you learn a way to play you never really considered but sometimes it just puts you way out of your depth; believe me, I understand that. Even if you don't think you learned anything I'm sure there's a few things you can probably take away. I also suggest watching the VODs from yesterday and trying to pinpoint the places where you made mistakes and what else you could've done.
On July 20 2012 01:45 MindBreaker wrote: I gotta say i dont feel like i learned much last night. what are you supposed to learn vs a ez morg bot lane lol.
I feel like there's always something to learn. I recall vowels saying you were getting hit by a lot of free Qs, perhaps you need to work on your positioning! Staying behind creeps and being aware of when he's going to try to harass you. Also cs better, but everyone needs to work on that.
On July 20 2012 01:45 MindBreaker wrote: I gotta say i dont feel like i learned much last night. what are you supposed to learn vs a ez morg bot lane lol.
I talked to Milo about this. He'd meant to give critiques to you after the game, but he ended up forgetting to do so and ended up just looking BM.
Biggest piece of advice is mana management. Every time I looked bot, you were pretty much dry on mana, and Milo told me you pretty much stayed that way all the time. Don't waste your Qs as Corki, because if you have no mana, you have no trading power in lane, which means you're just going to get bullied, regardless of what AD/Support you're against.
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On July 20 2012 01:45 MindBreaker wrote: I gotta say i dont feel like i learned much last night. what are you supposed to learn vs a ez morg bot lane lol.
On corki you really have to manage your mana well in lane. Q spam is no good, especially at level 1. You want to take advantage of the fact that Q has no travel time, which means if you're smart about it you can harrass them without taking any damage in return (or at least only an auto or something).
This can be achieved by waiting for the enemy AD to move in for a CS, and then hitting them with Q + auto and animation cancelling and moving back instantly. If you land this a couple times they'll be warry about going in for last hits.
Other notes about mana consumption on Corki: Don't E during laning phase unless you're all-in or you think you're gonna get a kill. If you just turn it on as part of your harass, you'll run oom and inflict minimal damage. Also, don't W unless you really need to (you're going to die, or you're going to get a kill). It's okay to use W in some other situations too, but it's hard to describe and you'll just have to get a feel for it. For example vs taric graves if you're in a bad position and see taric's stun particle, you can W back toward your tower and avoid graves' E->Q->W-> auto combo + shatter (which would leave you chunked pretty badly).
On July 20 2012 01:45 MindBreaker wrote: I gotta say i dont feel like i learned much last night. what are you supposed to learn vs a ez morg bot lane lol.
On corki you really have to manage your mana well in lane. Q spam is no good, especially at level 1. You want to take advantage of the fact that Q has no travel time, which means if you're smart about it you can harrass them without taking any damage in return (or at least only an auto or something).
This can be achieved by waiting for the enemy AD to move in for a CS, and then hitting them with Q + auto and animation cancelling and moving back instantly. If you land this a couple times they'll be warry about going in for last hits.
Other notes about mana consumption on Corki: Don't E during laning phase unless you're all-in or you think you're gonna get a kill. If you just turn it on as part of your harass, you'll run oom and inflict minimal damage. Also, don't W unless you really need to (you're going to die, or you're going to get a kill). It's okay to use W in some other situations too, but it's hard to describe and you'll just have to get a feel for it. For example vs taric graves if you're in a bad position and see taric's stun particle, you can W back toward your tower and avoid graves' E->Q->W-> auto combo + shatter (which would leave you chunked pretty badly).
On July 20 2012 03:52 Sufficiency wrote: Why would anyone get Q on lvl 1?
Trading power.
If the enemy laner knows you don't have Q level 1, you will lose a trade level 1 to Ashe auto+Volley, Graves auto+Buckshot, etc. because you don't have an equivalent spell to trade with.
On July 20 2012 01:45 MindBreaker wrote: I gotta say i dont feel like i learned much last night. what are you supposed to learn vs a ez morg bot lane lol.
On corki you really have to manage your mana well in lane. Q spam is no good, especially at level 1. You want to take advantage of the fact that Q has no travel time, which means if you're smart about it you can harrass them without taking any damage in return (or at least only an auto or something).
This can be achieved by waiting for the enemy AD to move in for a CS, and then hitting them with Q + auto and animation cancelling and moving back instantly. If you land this a couple times they'll be warry about going in for last hits.
Other notes about mana consumption on Corki: Don't E during laning phase unless you're all-in or you think you're gonna get a kill. If you just turn it on as part of your harass, you'll run oom and inflict minimal damage. Also, don't W unless you really need to (you're going to die, or you're going to get a kill). It's okay to use W in some other situations too, but it's hard to describe and you'll just have to get a feel for it. For example vs taric graves if you're in a bad position and see taric's stun particle, you can W back toward your tower and avoid graves' E->Q->W-> auto combo + shatter (which would leave you chunked pretty badly).
On July 20 2012 01:45 MindBreaker wrote: I gotta say i dont feel like i learned much last night. what are you supposed to learn vs a ez morg bot lane lol.
On corki you really have to manage your mana well in lane. Q spam is no good, especially at level 1. You want to take advantage of the fact that Q has no travel time, which means if you're smart about it you can harrass them without taking any damage in return (or at least only an auto or something).
This can be achieved by waiting for the enemy AD to move in for a CS, and then hitting them with Q + auto and animation cancelling and moving back instantly. If you land this a couple times they'll be warry about going in for last hits.
Other notes about mana consumption on Corki: Don't E during laning phase unless you're all-in or you think you're gonna get a kill. If you just turn it on as part of your harass, you'll run oom and inflict minimal damage. Also, don't W unless you really need to (you're going to die, or you're going to get a kill). It's okay to use W in some other situations too, but it's hard to describe and you'll just have to get a feel for it. For example vs taric graves if you're in a bad position and see taric's stun particle, you can W back toward your tower and avoid graves' E->Q->W-> auto combo + shatter (which would leave you chunked pretty badly).
Why would anyone get Q on lvl 1?
..what else would you take at level 1 besides Q?
why would anyone take anything but Q at level 1
I mean, I wouldn't use that skill point until I'm 100% sure which one I need. Leave the skill point unspent until the absolute last second, either doing ctrl+Q->Q for a trade or ctrl+W->W to escape a bad level 1 fight or level 2 from the enemy jungler.
On July 20 2012 01:45 MindBreaker wrote: I gotta say i dont feel like i learned much last night. what are you supposed to learn vs a ez morg bot lane lol.
On corki you really have to manage your mana well in lane. Q spam is no good, especially at level 1. You want to take advantage of the fact that Q has no travel time, which means if you're smart about it you can harrass them without taking any damage in return (or at least only an auto or something).
This can be achieved by waiting for the enemy AD to move in for a CS, and then hitting them with Q + auto and animation cancelling and moving back instantly. If you land this a couple times they'll be warry about going in for last hits.
Other notes about mana consumption on Corki: Don't E during laning phase unless you're all-in or you think you're gonna get a kill. If you just turn it on as part of your harass, you'll run oom and inflict minimal damage. Also, don't W unless you really need to (you're going to die, or you're going to get a kill). It's okay to use W in some other situations too, but it's hard to describe and you'll just have to get a feel for it. For example vs taric graves if you're in a bad position and see taric's stun particle, you can W back toward your tower and avoid graves' E->Q->W-> auto combo + shatter (which would leave you chunked pretty badly).
Why would anyone get Q on lvl 1?
..what else would you take at level 1 besides Q?
why would anyone take anything but Q at level 1
I mean, I wouldn't use that skill point until I'm 100% sure which one I need. Leave the skill point unspent until the absolute last second, either doing ctrl+Q->Q for a trade or ctrl+W->W to escape a bad level 1 fight or level 2 from the enemy jungler.
You always take q at level one because if you don't you can't trade and most lanes can zone you.
Level 2 ganks bot are very rare and can only really catch you if your support doesn't ward.
On July 20 2012 01:45 MindBreaker wrote: I gotta say i dont feel like i learned much last night. what are you supposed to learn vs a ez morg bot lane lol.
On corki you really have to manage your mana well in lane. Q spam is no good, especially at level 1. You want to take advantage of the fact that Q has no travel time, which means if you're smart about it you can harrass them without taking any damage in return (or at least only an auto or something).
This can be achieved by waiting for the enemy AD to move in for a CS, and then hitting them with Q + auto and animation cancelling and moving back instantly. If you land this a couple times they'll be warry about going in for last hits.
Other notes about mana consumption on Corki: Don't E during laning phase unless you're all-in or you think you're gonna get a kill. If you just turn it on as part of your harass, you'll run oom and inflict minimal damage. Also, don't W unless you really need to (you're going to die, or you're going to get a kill). It's okay to use W in some other situations too, but it's hard to describe and you'll just have to get a feel for it. For example vs taric graves if you're in a bad position and see taric's stun particle, you can W back toward your tower and avoid graves' E->Q->W-> auto combo + shatter (which would leave you chunked pretty badly).
Why would anyone get Q on lvl 1?
..what else would you take at level 1 besides Q?
why would anyone take anything but Q at level 1
I mean, I wouldn't use that skill point until I'm 100% sure which one I need. Leave the skill point unspent until the absolute last second, either doing ctrl+Q->Q for a trade or ctrl+W->W to escape a bad level 1 fight or level 2 from the enemy jungler.
You always take q at level one because if you don't you can't trade and most lanes can zone you.
Level 2 ganks bot are very rare and can only really catch you if your support doesn't ward.
I assume he's talking about pre-laning, i.e. having to use W to escape from an invade or level 1 teamfight.
On July 20 2012 05:43 dae wrote: You always take q at level one because if you don't you can't trade and most lanes can zone you.
Level 2 ganks bot are very rare and can only really catch you if your support doesn't ward.
See, I can't agree with any hero skilling in fountain. It's trivially easy to skill the split second before you actually need the skill, and not getting first blooded outweighs having trading power that you can easily skill into while you're performing the autoattack animation. If you take Q, and die in a level 1 teamfight because of it, you still can't trade in lane because the enemy AD will come back with extra pots or a DBlade.
On like 90% of heroes the answer of "what skill do I take at level 1" should be "save the skill point until the absolute last second when you know which one you need", because it takes almost zero effort to press ctrl+Q/W/E and skill at the last second rather than doing it early.
So the answer here should be "take Q usually to trade, but don't skill until that happens because there's a slim chance that you will need W".
On July 20 2012 01:45 MindBreaker wrote: I gotta say i dont feel like i learned much last night. what are you supposed to learn vs a ez morg bot lane lol.
Hi, sorry for following you around at bot last night, people called other lanes :o At least in lane, facing morg shouldn't be do different from something like leona or blitz: avoid skillshots, and watch out for cc if you get too close. morg is easier than leona or blitz early because until 6 she doesnt have an additional cc once she gets in melee range imo your biggest mistakes were positioning and spell usage. Against ez you should be constantly watching where I'm standing and always put a creep between us. If you do this and janna shields you whenever I try to engage, I can't really win trades because I don't have a nuke to counter your Q. For example when you were graves you got hit by auto+Q immediately because you were standing outside of creeps, and the lane snowballed from there. The advice others gave about mana usage + using spells when im csing is also good.
Btw good stuff Wave, love your stream + commentary ^.^
On July 20 2012 05:43 dae wrote: You always take q at level one because if you don't you can't trade and most lanes can zone you.
Level 2 ganks bot are very rare and can only really catch you if your support doesn't ward.
See, I can't agree with any hero skilling in fountain. It's trivially easy to skill the split second before you actually need the skill, and not getting first blooded outweighs having trading power that you can easily skill into while you're performing the autoattack animation. If you take Q, and die in a level 1 teamfight because of it, you still can't trade in lane because the enemy AD will come back with extra pots or a DBlade.
On like 90% of heroes the answer of "what skill do I take at level 1" should be "save the skill point until the absolute last second when you know which one you need", because it takes almost zero effort to press ctrl+Q/W/E and skill at the last second rather than doing it early.
So the answer here should be "take Q usually to trade, but don't skill until that happens because there's a slim chance that you will need W".
I think I made my answer too simple.
I don't skill q in fountain, I skill it when I start double golems, or right as we invade, or right after I get into lane. (I take q>w for level 1 teamfights b/c its alot of burst, the sight helps when you catch someone, and your usually not right in the front and being focused to the point where w would be needed).
AFTER you get into lane I don't see why you would w>q ever, however you leave the skill open in the chance you get jumped by 5 people level one to get away.
Hey guys, sorry for disconnecting about an hour ago. Just got a new isp and it seems I can't play games until around midnight. Everything just kept on crashing. At one point I had 10000ms ping (I have no idea how). Sorry again Oddly enough, my internet speed hasn't suffered doing anything else. It's only video games seem to cause it problems. Does anyone have any idea why this happens?
Hey guys thanks for all the input ^^ I appreciate it! I'll be on again tonight to practice more! Really appreciate all the help I really want to learn as much as possible! This game is so fun. As incontrol said the best way to learn is get your ass kicked constantly and eventually u will learn.
This is directed to Perplex since he created the thread and is sort of the unofficial head of LiquidPractice but also to all the other members of the channel and of our subforum as well.
With the growing popularity of the inhouses and my streaming them I do sort of want to increase the popularity a little further and get my casting out there, bad as it may be. I was debating creating a post on Reddit and/or the LoL GD forums regarding what we've been doing for the past little bit, but I won't do it without asking you guys first. (Whether or not that actually does anything remains to be seen, but whatever.) Do we want to keep this on the (mostly) DL, to subforum members only or can we open our arms a little wider? Also, regardless of the answer to the earlier question, would you guys rather I don't mention (or show) the LiquidPractice channel or TL in general on stream for fear of people bombing it/lack of moderation just in case non-TLers watch, or is that something that we don't mind? I'm not always 100% sure of how our little community welcomes 'outsiders' and I definitely don't want to tread on any toes here.
Opinions welcome and appreciated! (Also depending on the answers to the earlier questions, there are many more things I can do with my stream/casting and our subforum and I do have big ideas, but baby steps first of course.)
I share Yango's sentiments. If PvP.net was like B.net 1.0, then I wouldn't mind opening things up to the nameless masses. But since we can't control who joins, I'd rather keep our pool small. We already have a good number of TL LoL lurkers who should up in LP, despite not posting here.
One alternative is to open up the pool of players, but arrange games via IRC rather than in-game chat (thereby allowing for moderation). But that adds a lot of hassle.
On July 20 2012 11:01 TheYango wrote: One alternative is to open up the pool of players, but arrange games via IRC rather than in-game chat (thereby allowing for moderation). But that adds a lot of hassle.
No, that's definitely not a good solution. It is particularly frustrating that Riot doesn't offer us a way to create/moderate chat channels. Maybe this kind of thing will be coming in the future? I guess only MB really knows.
To be clear, I don't even think the pool of players needs to be opened up at all, really. It probably all comes down to me being a little selfish and wanting to get my name out there rather than putting you guys first. I'm just going to keep doing what I've been doing; people enjoy it the way it is so far so no need to make any sweeping changes just yet. Thanks for the honest opinions, guys. I appreciate it.
I like the idea of keeping the group somewhat small. also btw Wave i love that you casted those games. I cant tell you how awesome it is to have a game your playing in be casted
On July 20 2012 11:01 TheYango wrote: One alternative is to open up the pool of players, but arrange games via IRC rather than in-game chat (thereby allowing for moderation). But that adds a lot of hassle.
No, that's definitely not a good solution. It is particularly frustrating that Riot doesn't offer us a way to create/moderate chat channels. Maybe this kind of thing will be coming in the future? I guess only MB really knows.
To be clear, I don't even think the pool of players needs to be opened up at all, really. It probably all comes down to me being a little selfish and wanting to get my name out there rather than putting you guys first. I'm just going to keep doing what I've been doing; people enjoy it the way it is so far so no need to make any sweeping changes just yet. Thanks for the honest opinions, guys. I appreciate it.
I watched a few games last night and I think what you do is great. I believe it is possible for Neo to nominate you as a featured streamer on TL if you continue to commentate and contribute to helping other LoL subforum members. That's up for Neo and the TL admins to decide but you can work for it.
wave feel free to cast and mention what we are doing just keep channels secret etc you can get what you want and we dont get flooded, also i miss being able to learn more stuff as my main is banned until the first hopefully you guys still want to play when i get back on
On July 20 2012 11:01 TheYango wrote: One alternative is to open up the pool of players, but arrange games via IRC rather than in-game chat (thereby allowing for moderation). But that adds a lot of hassle.
No, that's definitely not a good solution. It is particularly frustrating that Riot doesn't offer us a way to create/moderate chat channels. Maybe this kind of thing will be coming in the future? I guess only MB really knows.
To be clear, I don't even think the pool of players needs to be opened up at all, really. It probably all comes down to me being a little selfish and wanting to get my name out there rather than putting you guys first. I'm just going to keep doing what I've been doing; people enjoy it the way it is so far so no need to make any sweeping changes just yet. Thanks for the honest opinions, guys. I appreciate it.
I watched a few games last night and I think what you do is great. I believe it is possible for Neo to nominate you as a featured streamer on TL if you continue to commentate and contribute to helping other LoL subforum members. That's up for Neo and the TL admins to decide but you can work for it.
Haha wow I honestly never even thought that would be a possibility since I don't have the subforum pull that either Smash or Shake do. I'm going to keep up what I'm doing as often as I can and if the powers that be feel the quality/entertainment is good enough to be considered for featured, then so be it, but I'm not getting my hopes up. If there is anything I can do specifically to improve, by the way, please PLEASE let me know! If there's other things you want to see or me to do, or specific people you want me to have on stream, or you just want me to turn down the suck a little.
On July 20 2012 15:44 nyxnyxnyx wrote: could work on camera movement. tend to miss the good shit (just watch me np)
Yup now that I'm doing this more often I have to learn the hotkeys for spec mode. If I have it set to directed I won't miss as much but it's annoying when I want to manually see something and it switches on its own after 5 seconds, so I have to start using hotkeys and switching back and forth.
Summoner Name: Nehsb ELO: 1500 Preferred Roles: Mid, Top, Jungle, Support, AD in that order Schedule: Varies, but during the summer I'll be almost always on
Hey guys I feel like I'm learning more and more each night! Learned last night about not spamming skills I'n lane and a little bit about positioning! I've only been playing this game for a couple of months and all of this is really helping.
For ppl in dat last game on purple side: Morde: if youre running teleport you need to set up to never die in lane, trading excessively will put you at a disadvantage if the enemy is runnig a combat summoner. You simply died too many times in lane, and then overestimated your survivability in teamfights. Shyv: your biggest mistake was dying at level 4 at their wraiths. When making an invade, especially that early, you need to take a couple of things into consideration. 1: the position of your / enemy laners and jungler. 2: if the enemy catches you can you escape / turn and kill esp with the aid of a nearby laner. Etc. its basic risk reward, but if 2. is a negative the risk is usually not worth it that early. Especially when the reward is only a wraith camp, take the above into consideration more. The fact that tf had a red buff at level 5 (and then hit 6 to gank bottom) drastically changed both the laning middle as well as giving enemy control over the tempo of the game. Trist janna: a bit more passivity, especially since your lane hard outscales the dangerous taric graves, would be helpful; if played correctly, you should also be difficult to gank, even for tf. Keeping a basic ward outside of the tribush in order to know whether naut was coming from tribush or dragon pit could have been enough to keep you safe from 4 man ganks (along with vision of / ward in lane bush) until i could apply more pressure on tf alone. Also, trist could have picked up 2 kills when i died but got none; likewise, janna can ult / tornado where tf is porting to as soon as his ult is finishing to prevent his wild cards (if not his gold card if impeccably timed).
It can work esp if youre lanin vs someone with a lot of sustain who can win trades vs you (read: xin) although against xin exhaust would be nice to shut down his teamfight and damage on you when he commits. You just need to play around it better.
On July 21 2012 07:59 HPoirot wrote: So much salt after that last game. People taking this a little too seriously.
I noticed that last night too. It's mostly the people who don't go in teamspeak. They're too scurred to talk down to people over voice chat.. all the more reason to have everyone in TS though — it helps keep attitudes in check.
If anything gets too out of hand you can post it here or PM me.. I've seen a couple people get a little mad but nothing bad enough for me to tell them to cut it out.
I'll be on in about 3.7 hours to kick some games with you guys until my friend comes in from the airport. JOIN SHITCOMBO GAMES, they're good for your tilt management and basic game sense and you get to play with a lot of my plat friends!
On July 20 2012 15:44 nyxnyxnyx wrote: could work on camera movement. tend to miss the good shit (just watch me np)
Yup now that I'm doing this more often I have to learn the hotkeys for spec mode. If I have it set to directed I won't miss as much but it's annoying when I want to manually see something and it switches on its own after 5 seconds, so I have to start using hotkeys and switching back and forth.
I watched your casting thing, you really to improve on your map awareness. Missing a lot of action. Don't use the hotkeys excuse. Memorize the hotkeys and learn to read the minimap movement for possible engagements. (For example let's say there is a tristana on a team and you see her icon on the mini map move extremely fast onto another icon...that probably means she just jumped onto and opponent which means you immediately switch the camera to her. If you get really good at this you can actually start predicting when she will jump and you will have the camera ready before it even happens. To do this you need to look at HP bars / Ult availability / Summoner Spells availability and see who is a potential kill)
On July 20 2012 15:44 nyxnyxnyx wrote: could work on camera movement. tend to miss the good shit (just watch me np)
Yup now that I'm doing this more often I have to learn the hotkeys for spec mode. If I have it set to directed I won't miss as much but it's annoying when I want to manually see something and it switches on its own after 5 seconds, so I have to start using hotkeys and switching back and forth.
I watched your casting thing, you really to improve on your map awareness. Missing a lot of action. Don't use the hotkeys excuse. Memorize the hotkeys and learn to read the minimap movement for possible engagements. (For example let's say there is a tristana on a team and you see her icon on the mini map move extremely fast onto another icon...that probably means she just jumped onto and opponent which means you immediately switch the camera to her. If you get really good at this you can actually start predicting when she will jump and you will have the camera ready before it even happens. To do this you need to look at HP bars / Ult availability / Summoner Spells availability and see who is a potential kill)
I could go on but meh just keep practicing.
It wasn't an excuse, I actually have to start using them because I wasn't before...? O.o Thanks for the advice though I will definitely work on improving later tonight!
Hey guys, after playing a bunch of in-house games the last few days, I had a few comments.
First, they are really fun. Everyone is pretty laid back, even when certain persons go 0-8 as their pro support Janna. >___>
Second, I think it might be helpful to the people trying to improve if we utilized the in-game pause function. If a better player sees an opponent doing something ridiculously wrong, perhaps we could pause the game at that moment and try to help the player on the spot. I wouldn't want to do this every single game (would get tedious and interrupt the flow), but perhaps if a game or two per night were designated as games of this sort? Simply playing against higher elo players is ridiculously helpful on its own, but sometimes you don't realize why they're crushing you, and it might just be an easy fix to your gameplay that can be done mid-game (for example, those games when mindbreaker was getting harassed pretty badly - if vowels or someone else paused the game every so often during lane and was like 'yo, stand in the creeps so I can't Q your face' he might have gotten better as the game went on).
Third, and it relates to the second: all of the higher elo players are quite gracious when playing with us, but if it's obvious you're gonna roll someone in your lane, it might be a fun (for you) and informative experience (for them) if early game you explain to them how you're going to kill them and when/why. The thought process behind some things is often more useful than the mechanics themselves.
It's hard to explain these things during the game though (while its occurring) and may not even help if the problem stems from having having the wrong runes/masteries or simply picking a champion that's weak vs another. Also, if you're thinking about the game you lack the time to fully process any extra information (especially if it's only tangentially related to what's going on).
A few points to go over: - I haven't had a chance to play that many games with LP last week but I did spec a good amount. I'm rather pleased with the activity and camaraderie after the first week
- Personally, I haven't seen any instances of rage, which is good. Stay manner LP.
- Try hard. Fun is fun but I'd still like to see LP have a competitive spirit.
- Look to improve. The majority of TL LoL hovers around 1200 to 1600, so they can and are looking to get better. Don't be afraid to ask people to critique your play. I know the TL B guys (Yango, Navi, Milo) and vowels have been superb on this.
On July 22 2012 03:13 Navi wrote: wat why am i tl b. gg
lol
Neo, just for clarification, TL B is Gandhi, Soniv, Monte, etc.
We are...well I don't know what we are at the moment.
On July 22 2012 02:51 NeoIllusions wrote: - Try hard. Fun is fun but I'd still like to see LP have a competitive spirit.
Just one thing I'd like to clarify about the difference between "scrim" and "inhouse".
Do not feel obligated to draft the game like it's a competitive game in an inhouse. Particularly when it comes to drafting, the skill level varies so widely, and it's not particularly fun or interesting to just auto-pick the really strong champions in the pool just because the person you're drafting against isn't as experienced as you are. This was first directed at Milo for picking TF and Alistar game after game (what the hell is the point of playing Liquid Practice with your most-played solo queue hero that has an 82% winrate?), but it occurred to me that other players may be doing the same thing. It's not fun for everyone else, and it's not particularly good practice for you.
The special thing about Liquid Practice is that it allows you to practice things that you would not otherwise get to in a solo queue environment (e.g. Monte practicing his non-Jungle roles). Try hard when you get in game, but at the same time, take advantage of this fact.
On July 22 2012 02:51 NeoIllusions wrote: - Try hard. Fun is fun but I'd still like to see LP have a competitive spirit.
Just one thing I'd like to clarify about the difference between "scrim" and "inhouse".
Do not feel obligated to draft the game like it's a competitive game in an inhouse. Particularly when it comes to drafting, the skill level varies so widely, and it's not particularly fun or interesting to just auto-pick the really strong champions in the pool just because the person you're drafting against isn't as experienced as you are. This was first directed at Milo for picking TF and Alistar game after game (what the hell is the point of playing Liquid Practice with your most-played solo queue hero that has an 82% winrate?), but it occurred to me that other players may be doing the same thing. It's not fun for everyone else, and it's not particularly good practice for you.
The special thing about Liquid Practice is that it allows you to practice things that you would not otherwise get to in a solo queue environment (e.g. Monte practicing his non-Jungle roles). Try hard when you get in game, but at the same time, take advantage of this fact.
zzz, I'm kinda glad you brought this up. I honestly didn't want to be the one to mention it first.
I played a game last week vs TF/Noc. Was just a steamroll. Granted my team left the globals open but what's really the point?
If you want to try out/practice Malphite, sure, go right ahead. But if you're the guy first picking Malphite, then proceeding to out CS your enemy Top lane 4 to 1, you're probably doing it wrong...
Granted, once we have full 5v5 IHs, drafting actually has a legitimate value there.
On July 22 2012 04:11 NeoIllusions wrote: Granted, once we have full 5v5 IHs, drafting actually has a legitimate value there.
That's sort of what I meant by the difference between "scrim" and "inhouse".
Scrim = Two arranged teams practicing, meant to mimic an actual competitive game
Inhouse = Semi-arranged play, but still essentially played like a pub
Yeah you can't do scrims unless the teams are very equal in skill level, which LiquidPractice really isn't. Whenever I play in these I try to either pick heroes I'm terrible at and make sure to not feed off of one person too much or I make sure to lane against a player I know I can tryhard and not feed off of.
On July 22 2012 02:51 NeoIllusions wrote: A few points to go over: - I haven't had a chance to play that many games with LP last week but I did spec a good amount. I'm rather pleased with the activity and camaraderie after the first week
- Personally, I haven't seen any instances of rage, which is good. Stay manner LP.
- Try hard. Fun is fun but I'd still like to see LP have a competitive spirit.
- Look to improve. The majority of TL LoL hovers around 1200 to 1600, so they can and are looking to get better. Don't be afraid to ask people to critique your play. I know the TL B guys (Yango, Navi, Milo) and vowels have been superb on this.
- ASSEMBLE TEH TEAMS
Activity's good. Sometimes you get some high ELOs that are a little too tryhard though and let their egos get the better of em. Seen a few instances of pretty massive rage in channel, and one particular dbag (no names though). But for the most part it's been a really good initiative.
So its come to light that the significant gap in skill can sometimes lead to very one sided games, not just in picks but in lane placement. I try to simply fill in gaps in the team that others don't want to play (usually support or jungle) and if i do a solo lane i usually ask a friend or someone i play with regularly to fill in the spot on the opposing team. I do know that not all other relatively high elo players will do this, so i suggest that people who want to play do and spectate 1v1s against someone you deem similar or higher skill level. While the inhouses and 5v5s allow for all of the jungler pressure, teamfighting and positioning experience that all of us need, 1v1s allow for very quick and time efficient mechanics practice that will allow you to get to the midgame against a strong opponent as opposed to dying early and having a crushing snowballed defeat.
Hard to play games when my timezone is so different to majority of LP, played three games and enjoyed them ( Even though we got stomped all 3), I do have one thing to say though, it is courtesy to jump on TS when playing, even when you can't talk you can still listen. Takes like five seconds to get up and running.
This started out fun in the beginning. But once the random 1800 scrubs came into this on their high horse down talking everyone it got boring REAL fast.
On July 23 2012 14:38 PallasAthena wrote: This started out fun in the beginning. But once the random 1800 scrubs came into this on their high horse down talking everyone it got boring REAL fast.
Was fun guys, hope this doesn't go downhill.
are you the guy who raged at milo and then pulled our your top rating (1300, 2200 high, do you just enjoy stomping on noobs or something?) and started trashtalking lol?
On July 23 2012 14:38 PallasAthena wrote: This started out fun in the beginning. But once the random 1800 scrubs came into this on their high horse down talking everyone it got boring REAL fast.
Was fun guys, hope this doesn't go downhill.
I've had nothing but fun and learning experiences playing with the LiquidPractice guys....everything I've seen has been super manner and really light and enjoyable.
On July 23 2012 14:38 PallasAthena wrote: This started out fun in the beginning. But once the random 1800 scrubs came into this on their high horse down talking everyone it got boring REAL fast.
Was fun guys, hope this doesn't go downhill.
are you the guy who raged at milo and then pulled our your top rating (1300, 2200 high, do you just enjoy stomping on noobs or something?) and started trashtalking lol?
If it matters, the guy's name was "Seiya Kou" in game. I would not recommend inviting this person into any inhouses. Granted, I only played one game with him, but it was not pleasant at all.
On July 24 2012 04:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm probably gonna start playing jungle in these when I can. My jungle is legit like 1500 level
Actually, this is something I meant to ask about. My Jungle, Top, and Support are pretty good for my level (can keep up around ~1300 level on them), but my AD carry and Mid are horribad unless I get fed as hell by people worse than me. Should I work on improving the roles I'm bad at, or just hope that when I get forced into them that I'm not dead weight and play as passive as possible?
Not that I get forced AD or Mid a lot, usually snatched up early in solo queue.
It's called LiquidPractice for a reason, mang. If it's one of your weaker roles and nobody minds, then definitely go for it! The people spectating or playing with you can help you iron out your issues. If you're playing bot, work with your support to try and figure out where and how to improve. If you're mid, work with your jungler.
My failures at bot come from not being able to farm, harass, and hold off harass at the same time, so I generally either get behind on farm or get dropped really low early on. I find it a lot easier on top champs, for some reason, I think I just play better on tankier types. Couldn't play mage or rogue in WoW either, only Pally and Feral Drood.
Mid... I just can't do, and I couldn't explain to you why. Managing mana, knowing when to push/go back, roam, and proper positioning (also an issue on AD), just don't click with me for no real reason unless I get real lucky. So many games as Vik where I stay even on farm early on, only to get wrecked as soon as we hit ~5-7. I just never know when to use abilities for farm as opposed to autoing and spells for harass, and never seem to have enough damage at any point in the game.
Also, In the op you say to not rage but what if your raging at yourself for sucking(with the occasional swearing at yourself)? Sorry for playing pretty bad in the games I played in btw >.<
don't deny it guys. This game is nothing compared to starcraft 2, so they had to make this a free to play game. Seriously, it's like comparing starcraft 2 to some bs Nexon game like Maplestory. Damn, even Nexon beats riot all day.
On July 26 2012 02:05 baselmarkit wrote: LoL is free. If it wasn't it would be bull shit.
don't deny it guys. This game is nothing compared to starcraft 2, so they had to make this a free to play game. Seriously, it's like comparing starcraft 2 to some bs Nexon game like Maplestory. Damn, even Nexon beats riot all day.
u w0t m8?
First of all, this isn't even the general thread. Second of all, these types of posts are pointless and stupid. No one was comparing the games, they're not even the same genre.
On July 26 2012 02:05 baselmarkit wrote: LoL is free. If it wasn't it would be bull shit.
don't deny it guys. This game is nothing compared to starcraft 2, so they had to make this a free to play game. Seriously, it's like comparing starcraft 2 to some bs Nexon game like Maplestory. Damn, even Nexon beats riot all day.
Oh... i suppose I should post this, even though I've been doing this for a while. I'm a little late :/
Summoner Name: swim224 ELO: Currently 1218, I would recon I'm ~1300 Preferred Role(s): I'm trying to learn how to ad atm. Schedule: 10:30-5am est during the summer. Not sure if I can even play LoL when school starts
Summoner Name: Mindflow15 ELO: 1400~ Preferred Roles: Everything but Support. Schedule: Can play pretty hardcore for awhile until school starts back up in sept. PM me or add me on LoL- Im on alot!
On July 22 2012 02:51 NeoIllusions wrote: A few points to go over: - I haven't had a chance to play that many games with LP last week but I did spec a good amount. I'm rather pleased with the activity and camaraderie after the first week
- Personally, I haven't seen any instances of rage, which is good. Stay manner LP.
- Try hard. Fun is fun but I'd still like to see LP have a competitive spirit.
- Look to improve. The majority of TL LoL hovers around 1200 to 1600, so they can and are looking to get better. Don't be afraid to ask people to critique your play. I know the TL B guys (Yango, Navi, Milo) and vowels have been superb on this.
- ASSEMBLE TEH TEAMS
Activity's good. Sometimes you get some high ELOs that are a little too tryhard though and let their egos get the better of em. Seen a few instances of pretty massive rage in channel, and one particular dbag (no names though). But for the most part it's been a really good initiative.
RIGHT HERE BABY
Glad someone saw it
Okay, seriously though--I run pickups with whoever wants to join, whatever skill level, and I usually get my plat buddies in there, and we like to mess around. I don't care if we win all of our games. What I DO care about is when we talk and you don't say anything all game, or if you do shit that's completely retarded, like walk into melee range under their tower as vayne against blitz/zyra when your support is out of lane. I don't mind that you're bad--really, I don't. I'll give you shit for it but it's just part of learning. What I do mind is a specific combination of stupidity, not communicating during the game, then saying "its a normal im not gonna think" after wasting 25 minutes of 4 other people's time.
So yeah, I flew off the handle and flamed whoever it was, but I generally don't do it unless it's completely warranted. Join a game for fun if you're gonna play for fun, don't join a game for fun if you're gonna walk into their team on multiple occasions and make an excuse after the game that you were intentionally not thinking because it was a normal.
That was ONE instance in the past 4 months or so. I've cleaned up my act pretty well from the old days of fly off the handle because you fucked up a gank. I really don't care if you're bad. I care if you're wasting our time.
It happened again, another LP player who refuses to think or put themselves into a position to learn. I'm out. I can tell I'm no good for this group and it's no good for me. Too little patience on my part.
On July 26 2012 21:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: It happened again, another LP player who refuses to think or put themselves into a position to learn. I'm out. I can tell I'm no good for this group and it's no good for me. Too little patience on my part.
Please never play again. Playing with you was pure suffering.
BRB while I go play with bots, then when I have enough confidence, play with retards... and start to think, right? Because I will never get better because apparently I am retarded and can't think... winning against Swain as Rumble is easy, right? The red buff you gave him was really good, right?
It's too bad that LOL Replay no longer record team chat. I really wanted to dump it out for everyone to see it. See you at the Tribunal.
On July 26 2012 21:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: It happened again, another LP player who refuses to think or put themselves into a position to learn. I'm out. I can tell I'm no good for this group and it's no good for me. Too little patience on my part.
There's a lot of really good players in LP who give advice without all your rage. I really don't think this is for you.
On July 26 2012 22:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote: could I get some context on what happened in detail
this
it doesn't really help to come to the thread and post fragments of an argument in a game without any context for the rest of us who weren't there to go on
On July 26 2012 22:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote: could I get some context on what happened in detail
Basically, we played a blind pick. He got really angry at me because I misplayed. Then he started to tell me that I don't think and I am a retard and that I should be playing with bots before playing with him.
TBH, if he wasn't from the channel I would have put him on ignore the second the R word came out. But I didn't and it became worse. It was truly a regrettable decision from my part.
On July 26 2012 22:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote: could I get some context on what happened in detail
Basically, we played a blind pick. He got really angry at me because I misplayed. Then he started to tell me that I don't think and I am a retard and that I should be playing with bots before playing with him.
TBH, if he wasn't from the channel I would have put him on ignore the second the R word came out. But I didn't and it became worse. It was truly a regrettable decision from my part.
the obvious conclusion is to vilify 5hit for raging. i dont like ragers myself but i can think of some possible scenarios where his rage is borderline 'justified'
-you made a snide remark / brushed aside his correction of your mistake -you denied the mistake
will never know what actually happened but it's probably no big deal. kinda like a car accident when both parties made 'mistakes'. just never play with each other again, that's about it
On July 26 2012 22:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote: could I get some context on what happened in detail
Basically, we played a blind pick. He got really angry at me because I misplayed. Then he started to tell me that I don't think and I am a retard and that I should be playing with bots before playing with him.
TBH, if he wasn't from the channel I would have put him on ignore the second the R word came out. But I didn't and it became worse. It was truly a regrettable decision from my part.
the obvious conclusion is to vilify 5hit for raging. i dont like ragers myself but i can think of some possible scenarios where his rage is borderline 'justified'
-you made a snide remark / brushed aside his correction of your mistake -you denied the mistake
will never know what actually happened but it's probably no big deal. kinda like a car accident when both parties made 'mistakes'. just never play with each other again, that's about it
See that's the thing though, I believe calling a fellow TL'er a retard is never justified. This isn't solo queue. The whole point of this is to get practice outside of solo queue. You play these games to have fun and learn, not get raged at. I really doubt Suff said something so awful that baited 5hit into a rage of terror. You're right we might never know what truly happened but taking into consideration what I know about Suff and what I know about 5hit... 5hit probably just mad cuz bad.
On July 22 2012 02:51 NeoIllusions wrote: A few points to go over: - I haven't had a chance to play that many games with LP last week but I did spec a good amount. I'm rather pleased with the activity and camaraderie after the first week
- Personally, I haven't seen any instances of rage, which is good. Stay manner LP.
- Try hard. Fun is fun but I'd still like to see LP have a competitive spirit.
- Look to improve. The majority of TL LoL hovers around 1200 to 1600, so they can and are looking to get better. Don't be afraid to ask people to critique your play. I know the TL B guys (Yango, Navi, Milo) and vowels have been superb on this.
- ASSEMBLE TEH TEAMS
Activity's good. Sometimes you get some high ELOs that are a little too tryhard though and let their egos get the better of em. Seen a few instances of pretty massive rage in channel, and one particular dbag (no names though). But for the most part it's been a really good initiative.
**snip** That was ONE instance in the past 4 months or so. I've cleaned up my act pretty well from the old days of fly off the handle because you fucked up a gank. I really don't care if you're bad. I care if you're wasting our time.
How many of Pendragon's total-face-ownage-tribunal topics start just like this? -_-
I generally don't do it unless it's completely warranted
From your description, this certainly doesn't seem warranted.
The only possible explanation I could see for raging at someone in a practice game is if you were genuinely trying to help them and they were not listening (ex: I think you need armor penetration" "No man, I'm getting a fourth zeal" or something like that.) In this case it sounds like they made a mistake and you just got angry without any attempt to help. :/
On July 26 2012 22:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote: could I get some context on what happened in detail
Basically, we played a blind pick. He got really angry at me because I misplayed. Then he started to tell me that I don't think and I am a retard and that I should be playing with bots before playing with him.
TBH, if he wasn't from the channel I would have put him on ignore the second the R word came out. But I didn't and it became worse. It was truly a regrettable decision from my part.
the obvious conclusion is to vilify 5hit for raging. i dont like ragers myself but i can think of some possible scenarios where his rage is borderline 'justified'
-you made a snide remark / brushed aside his correction of your mistake -you denied the mistake
will never know what actually happened but it's probably no big deal. kinda like a car accident when both parties made 'mistakes'. just never play with each other again, that's about it
I don't see how raging and verbal abuse can ever be justified.
Listen, I honestly think the discussion should end here. 5HIT has already admitted to the fact the LP is probably not right for him because of his attitude, so he's bowing out. (Having personally played with him before, fucked up a lot, and not had him rage at me I had thought he had changed for the better but maybe not completely so? I don't know.)
There are people who we're going to play with in these inhouses who can't keep their egos/rage in check. Eventually those people will have to bow out as well either of their own accord or because others won't want to play with them. These kinds of games aren't necessarily for everyone and it's only to fair to give everyone a chance to see if they can handle it or not. If they can't, well now we and they both know better.
On July 27 2012 00:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Listen, I honestly think the discussion should end here. 5HIT has already admitted to the fact the LP is probably not right for him because of his attitude, so he's bowing out. (Having personally played with him before, fucked up a lot, and not had him rage at me I had thought he had changed for the better but maybe not completely so? I don't know.)
There are people who we're going to play with in these inhouses who can't keep their egos/rage in check. Eventually those people will have to bow out as well either of their own accord or because others won't want to play with them. These kinds of games aren't necessarily for everyone and it's only to fair to give everyone a chance to see if they can handle it or not. If they can't, well now we and they both know better.
It's unfortunate. I just put him on ignore and that was all I planned to do. I didn't find out who he was on TL until he made that comment on this thread after the game.
On July 27 2012 00:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Listen, I honestly think the discussion should end here. 5HIT has already admitted to the fact the LP is probably not right for him because of his attitude, so he's bowing out. (Having personally played with him before, fucked up a lot, and not had him rage at me I had thought he had changed for the better but maybe not completely so? I don't know.)
There are people who we're going to play with in these inhouses who can't keep their egos/rage in check. Eventually those people will have to bow out as well either of their own accord or because others won't want to play with them. These kinds of games aren't necessarily for everyone and it's only to fair to give everyone a chance to see if they can handle it or not. If they can't, well now we and they both know better.
What he's doing by bowing out is very mature. Better to admit his faults rather than deny them, and of course he is always welcome to spectate and give advice to people if he feels like it in the future.
His actions certainly aren't justifiable by any means, but at least he can own up to them and say "yeah, this isn't for me". We had a problem, but it's now resolved and life goes on.
I can kind of see where he's coming from though. There have been a few games where I was under the impression it was going to be competitive and to improve, then a couple of people start dicking around and make the game a joke.
Then on the other hand, there have been games that I thought everyone was messing around in (I think it was like Ziggs vs Orianna AD or something? Lmao) and someone starts getting annoyed because they are trying hard and everyone else is messing around.
Maybe the host of the game should clarify if it's going to be a learning game or joking around. It hasn't bothered me too much, but I can see how if someone with limited play time wanted to join a practice game to improve (or vice versa -- having fun and dicking around) and ends up getting stuck in a game with people messing around not taking it seriously, it'd be annoying.
Obviously we're all here to just have fun and learn, but in order to avoid people raging or getting upset maybe we should state what type of game it will be (srs or troll game).
For the most party the LP groups usually wind up fairly even in the lobby. However, during champ select I've seen about 1/2 of them decided before the first kill. Level 30's with less than like 250 wins simply will never stand a chance in solo lanes against some 1800+ (hell, probably 1600+ even). They will get zoned and feed within a few levels and then it's a countdown to /ff at 20 minutes.
Matters can be made worse still by what Mondeezy talks about. Everygame doesn't have to be tryhard, but people clearly dicking around are essentially wasting everybody else's time in the game. The goal is practice/fun, but unless everybody is on the same page for a completely non-serious game; there will be those unhappy who are having their time wasted in a losing effort with nothing to learn.
Thats not always true i am around 200 wins and both times i played vs 1.9k i did ok 1 st time i had better score 2nd time didnt do that well and 3rd time i did pretty bad but was morg vs ahri. some games ive found hard some not as much you cant always tell.
The issue goes back to what I brought up with Neo several pages ago. Try hard and play seriously, but do it in game. These games are still essentially pubs though, so that doesn't mean that we want/should see Malph/TF/Shen/etc. every game just because they're in the pool. It's Liquid Practice--practice what's useful to you. Spamming games on a champ you won't reliably see get through bans in solo queue isn't good practice for you or your opponents.
Play seriously when you're in game. Just because people left some strong champs in the pool doesn't mean go all out troll. It's perfectly possible to build reasonable team compositions out of a fairly average selection of champions.
Honestly, the biggest problem is that Draft Mode gets people in a certain mindset when playing this game that's probably not in line with what we want. If there was a DotA style All Pick option where there's no bans/pick order, but still unique picking, I'd say that would be more appropriate for the level of games we're going for.
On July 27 2012 03:45 TheYango wrote: The issue goes back to what I brought up with Neo several pages ago. Try hard and play seriously, but do it in game. These games are still essentially pubs though, so that doesn't mean that we want/should see Malph/TF/Shen/etc. every game just because they're in the pool. It's Liquid Practice--practice what's useful to you. Spamming games on a champ you won't reliably see get through bans in solo queue isn't good practice for you or your opponents.
Play seriously when you're in game. Just because people left some strong champs in the pool doesn't mean go all out troll. It's perfectly possible to build reasonable team compositions out of a fairly average selection of champions.
Honestly, the biggest problem is that Draft Mode gets people in a certain mindset when playing this game that's probably not in line with what we want. If there was a DotA style All Pick option where there's no bans/pick order, but still unique picking, I'd say that would be more appropriate for the level of games we're going for.
Yeah one thing that bothers me is when people pick only one champion, and then you look and they've played like 200 games with that champion.. really? Play something new to get better at it! I play Orianna and AD's because I never play those champs normally. Sure I could just play nid or morde who i've played hundreds of games on, but that isn't helping me get better.
I can agree with Sufficiency that 5hit was raging pretty uncontrollably that game. He started a little constructive but then by the end of the game he was yelling at him and telling him he should never play lulu again (I believe that was the character you were playing, maybe I'm thinking of the wrong game though).
Sorry to ask what is probably a really obvious question - do we have an EU West practice group? If so...
Summoner Name: Promethean Trowa ELO: 1380 Preferred Role: AP top/AD top, AD ranged, Support, Jungle on a few champions, same with mid.
Looking to improve, and would really like a higher level player to tell me why I'm bad. On starcraft2 I find it much easier to identify my mistakes and learn from other, better players - not so much on LoL .
Also - dat Malph sleeper OP. Hadn't seem him for about a year unless I was playing him, now hes like banned every game. FUUUU! I was hoping people would continue to underestimate him
On July 27 2012 03:45 TheYango wrote: The issue goes back to what I brought up with Neo several pages ago. Try hard and play seriously, but do it in game. These games are still essentially pubs though, so that doesn't mean that we want/should see Malph/TF/Shen/etc. every game just because they're in the pool. It's Liquid Practice--practice what's useful to you. Spamming games on a champ you won't reliably see get through bans in solo queue isn't good practice for you or your opponents.
Play seriously when you're in game. Just because people left some strong champs in the pool doesn't mean go all out troll. It's perfectly possible to build reasonable team compositions out of a fairly average selection of champions.
Honestly, the biggest problem is that Draft Mode gets people in a certain mindset when playing this game that's probably not in line with what we want. If there was a DotA style All Pick option where there's no bans/pick order, but still unique picking, I'd say that would be more appropriate for the level of games we're going for.
Yeah one thing that bothers me is when people pick only one champion, and then you look and they've played like 200 games with that champion.. really? Play something new to get better at it! I play Orianna and AD's because I never play those champs normally. Sure I could just play nid or morde who i've played hundreds of games on, but that isn't helping me get better.
While I agree that you shouldn't spam your best champion over and over and over, I think you should still be allowed to "practice" your best champions. Renek is one of my best champs, and normally I can stomp anyone around my ELO with him, but I'd love to practice him vs lets say a 1700 rated player to get more trading experience.
Idk, if players were willing to decide what roles they're playing during the team lobby phase, it'd definitely make for better lane matchups and an overall better practice experience. I just don't know how many players would be willing to take the extra couple mins to do that.
Bottom line however is that the games should be taken seriously unless everyone in the party is aware it's just a messing around game, otherwise someone's time is going to be wasted, and that sucks.
Also, to add to this conversation - I think its pretty important for at least two people to play champions they are comfortable with, even if you are just practicing. Its quite easy for people to take advantage of people playing new champions (especially when I do it) and just snowball hard. No one learns anything if that happens.
It is just a natural problem with how these practice games are 'inhouses' rather than scrims, people are going to be serious, sure, seriously trying something they don't usually do. Is that a problem? Not really, it could get dumb, but it is about what you'd expect. Except that Navi is right in his post a few pages ago - a lot of practice people are looking for can be done more efficiently as 1v1 laning to practice mechanics. These inhouses just end up being soloq with a politer group of people, but still the same in that communication, team synergy and the motivation of the players are the determining factor to the outcome of the game. The process and what people can learn from it is hardly consistent and simply isn't worth the time invested in setting them up and playing them out.
In the end, I feel like it is a question of what you are trying to learn. Inhouses should be kept to people mostly playing what they are used to to in order to learn more about teamfight and how they function in a full on game. People looking to practice individual champs or roles that they don't usually do should be looking for 1v1s to get the repetitive mechanics practicing out of the way. Handicaps can be imposed to make the game resemble more of a real game. If there are 6 people around, then you can just do some 10~12min's worth of game with 2 solo lanes and a jungle on both side. You can even impose certain handicaps and conditions that need to be met if you want more realism.
On July 27 2012 04:02 Trowa127 wrote: Sorry to ask what is probably a really obvious question - do we have an EU West practice group? If so...
Summoner Name: Promethean Trowa ELO: 1380 Preferred Role: AP top/AD top, AD ranged, Support, Jungle on a few champions, same with mid.
Looking to improve, and would really like a higher level player to tell me why I'm bad. On starcraft2 I find it much easier to identify my mistakes and learn from other, better players - not so much on LoL .
Also - dat Malph sleeper OP. Hadn't seem him for about a year unless I was playing him, now hes like banned every game. FUUUU! I was hoping people would continue to underestimate him
On July 27 2012 04:02 Trowa127 wrote: Sorry to ask what is probably a really obvious question - do we have an EU West practice group? If so...
Summoner Name: Promethean Trowa ELO: 1380 Preferred Role: AP top/AD top, AD ranged, Support, Jungle on a few champions, same with mid.
Looking to improve, and would really like a higher level player to tell me why I'm bad. On starcraft2 I find it much easier to identify my mistakes and learn from other, better players - not so much on LoL .
Also - dat Malph sleeper OP. Hadn't seem him for about a year unless I was playing him, now hes like banned every game. FUUUU! I was hoping people would continue to underestimate him
On July 27 2012 03:45 TheYango wrote: The issue goes back to what I brought up with Neo several pages ago. Try hard and play seriously, but do it in game. These games are still essentially pubs though, so that doesn't mean that we want/should see Malph/TF/Shen/etc. every game just because they're in the pool. It's Liquid Practice--practice what's useful to you. Spamming games on a champ you won't reliably see get through bans in solo queue isn't good practice for you or your opponents.
Play seriously when you're in game. Just because people left some strong champs in the pool doesn't mean go all out troll. It's perfectly possible to build reasonable team compositions out of a fairly average selection of champions.
Honestly, the biggest problem is that Draft Mode gets people in a certain mindset when playing this game that's probably not in line with what we want. If there was a DotA style All Pick option where there's no bans/pick order, but still unique picking, I'd say that would be more appropriate for the level of games we're going for.
Alternately, unaware to Galladiator, have both teams in same TS channel and ban every champion Galladiator mentions interest in. Results?
On July 27 2012 04:00 Zabad wrote: I can agree with Sufficiency that 5hit was raging pretty uncontrollably that game. He started a little constructive but then by the end of the game he was yelling at him and telling him he should never play lulu again (I believe that was the character you were playing, maybe I'm thinking of the wrong game though).
You weren't even in the game we were talking about, Zabad, and the person I was raging at in the other game was the ADC, not CheezyCookie, my platinum friend who was playing Lulu and also complaining that our vayne was retarded for walking STRAIGHT into people 1v2 and 1v5 multiple times in lane and in teamfights after completely missing them because he was "farming" and completely disregarding pings and what we said.
Judge me all you want. I don't get mad at bad players. I get mad at stupid, uncooperative, uncommunicative ones.
5HIT, I think the point is that you're not supposed to get mad at these IHs, period. A bunch of them are way below your level. Either criticize in a positive manner (and be patient) or just normal with your friends outside of LP.
There probably isn't any real way to ensure people are always trying their best just as there is no real way to ensure that they will always play someone they're not necessarily their best with.
I think you essentially need to get a feel for how the game you're in is about to go at champion select or in teamspeak. It really seems to depend on who is in the game, what time of day/night it is, and whether or not everyone is in TS. I've played mega tryhard games in LP before where both teams were in TS doing their very best, and I played an amazing and hilarious supertroll game last night with a jungle Veigar and didn't feel bad at all for feeding mid (though I didn't feed that hard). Even in the troll game though people were still trying to win, I don't think it ever degenerates in throwing intentionally or whatever.
I think ultimately the onus is on the 'veteran' members of TL LoL/LP to make people who are unfamiliar with the atmosphere comfortable in the games until they get a feel for the people and the inhouse games themselves. I know I'm a lot more comfortable in these games than I used to be, but in my case it's probably from casting so much and seeing people's attitudes and friendliness in allchat during the games and after.
Not completely related but similar issue, just as something to consider when giving advice: If I tell you why I did what I did, I'm not arguing with you. I'm explaining thought process and decision making. If I don't know why something is the right thing, odds are it won't help much.
Also, I don't need other people to yell at me for sucking. I can do that quite well myself.
On July 26 2012 22:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote: could I get some context on what happened in detail
Basically, we played a blind pick. He got really angry at me because I misplayed. Then he started to tell me that I don't think and I am a retard and that I should be playing with bots before playing with him.
TBH, if he wasn't from the channel I would have put him on ignore the second the R word came out. But I didn't and it became worse. It was truly a regrettable decision from my part.
WHOA WHOA WHOA
Let's hear my half: We get into blind pick. He picks rumble and gets vs swain top and immediately and for the whole game he starts bitching about how he can't win the matchup (lol). I come to gank him at level 2 and J4 is waiting in the bush and instead of coming to help fight like swain does he runs the fuck away with shield and swain gets a red because i don't get any help instead of possibly pulling off 2 kills because swain has tp instead of ignite. I don't say anything.
TEN MINUTES LATER
For the past 10 minutes he's been bitching constantly about how he can't win his lane and is getting zoned (he rushes WotA instead of abyssal after revolver). My friend and I are like lol what are you talking about you should have been shitting on him the whole time and he starts giving me nonstop shit about how swain had a red buff and it was impossible (estimated time: now until the rest of the game). At this point Swain has been teleporting to bottom lane to fight and he's been standing at his tower carefully last hitting or something because at no point did I ever see him hit Swain's tower.
Oh also at this time our annie and support (forgot who) gank swain about 4 times in a row and rumble gets a killing spree.
TEN MINUTES LATER
Rumble shows up for his first teamfight. It's 20 minutes in and he has WotA, boots, and a few MR items. We start fighting and for some reason he always runs away and ends up at 1/2 hp or higher at the end of the fight. We're basically 4v5 with a badly placed rumble ult every time and they wreck us. The team starts bitching at Rumble and he says "I COULDN'T" for about 5 minutes. When he starts repeating "I COULDN'T", I begin saying shit like "I'm so sick of pussies" and "you're never going to learn if you don't think or grow some balls."
FIVE MINUTES LATER
Rumble still hasn't been in a legit teamfight. I jump baron and it's gone. I throw up a surrender and the team denies it. A few minutes later, after we get aced again np, we finally surrender while we bicker at each other stupidly.
Judge me all you want, but get the whole story first.
Also, Neo, it wasn't an inhouse. It was a blind pick normal. THE WHOLE TIME he was complaining about how it wasn't draft pick, too, and that's why he lost to swain or something.
On July 27 2012 06:27 JingleHell wrote: Not completely related but similar issue, just as something to consider when giving advice: If I tell you why I did what I did, I'm not arguing with you. I'm explaining thought process and decision making. If I don't know why something is the right thing, odds are it won't help much.
Also, I don't need other people to yell at me for sucking. I can do that quite well myself.
Trust me, I know the difference. I wasn't yelling at him for sucking. I was yelling at him for being an uncooperative pussy who refused to think.
On July 27 2012 06:27 JingleHell wrote: Not completely related but similar issue, just as something to consider when giving advice: If I tell you why I did what I did, I'm not arguing with you. I'm explaining thought process and decision making. If I don't know why something is the right thing, odds are it won't help much.
Also, I don't need other people to yell at me for sucking. I can do that quite well myself.
Trust me, I know the difference. I wasn't yelling at him for sucking. I was yelling at him for being an uncooperative pussy who refused to think.
I'm not talking about your case, hence the words "not completely related" at the start.
It's something I keep running into because I stopped playing LoL sometime around the time BF3 came out with one or two games here and there until this past week. In other words, I went from decent to shitty but level 30. And when people are giving me advice, they seem to assume me explaining why I did something moronic is me arguing, rather than me wanting to understand why X is better than Y.
Not everybody does this, but several have done that. I'm guessing some people do just argue.
On July 27 2012 06:32 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Also, Neo, it wasn't an inhouse. It was a blind pick normal. THE WHOLE TIME he was complaining about how it wasn't draft pick, too, and that's why he lost to swain or something.
Yeah but if you're raging in a fucking blind pick normal imagine how hard you'd rage if someone doesn't listen to you in a practice inhouse which do get pretty competitive.
On July 27 2012 03:45 TheYango wrote: The issue goes back to what I brought up with Neo several pages ago. Try hard and play seriously, but do it in game. These games are still essentially pubs though, so that doesn't mean that we want/should see Malph/TF/Shen/etc. every game just because they're in the pool. It's Liquid Practice--practice what's useful to you. Spamming games on a champ you won't reliably see get through bans in solo queue isn't good practice for you or your opponents.
Play seriously when you're in game. Just because people left some strong champs in the pool doesn't mean go all out troll. It's perfectly possible to build reasonable team compositions out of a fairly average selection of champions.
Honestly, the biggest problem is that Draft Mode gets people in a certain mindset when playing this game that's probably not in line with what we want. If there was a DotA style All Pick option where there's no bans/pick order, but still unique picking, I'd say that would be more appropriate for the level of games we're going for.
Yeah one thing that bothers me is when people pick only one champion, and then you look and they've played like 200 games with that champion.. really? Play something new to get better at it! I play Orianna and AD's because I never play those champs normally. Sure I could just play nid or morde who i've played hundreds of games on, but that isn't helping me get better.
But for example, for me, I feel that every game I feed and end up losing is because of basically the same thing: me playing stupidly overagressive for no apparent reason. This is somewhat independent from what champion I'm playing, and I really want to work on that, so I'm just massing xerath games because I'm comfortable enough with xerath that I can focus on not playing overagressive, while it feels like if I play ezreal or something I need to constantly worry about other things because I never play ezreal and I can't focus on not being overagressive.
It's one thing if someone like Smash comes in and goes Nunu Top or Amumu Jungle (because those are his mains). But if Nehsb wants to go Xerath, it personally doesn't/wouldn't bother me as much. If anything just ban Xerath if Nehsb is on the other team. huehue.
Ofc, anyone in LP is within their right to ask a 1600+ player not to play something. I assume if you're 1600+, you're flexible with roles/champsions. Thus, try to be a little accommodating in IHs.
Summoner Name: Valdamjong ELO: 1500 although I don't really play that much ranked Preferred Role(s): Mid, jungle, bot Schedule: Anytime this summer should be good. After Summer might not be on as much but when ever I'm on I should be free. ATM online almost all day
On July 27 2012 09:08 Roffles wrote: I love you Shitcombo, but man you really gotta stop playin Chogath in these IHs. Completely killin the point of these things.
My main issue with these games is the skill disparity is just ridiculous at times. Fresh 30s just don't stand a chance against 1800+s and it makes for really ugly games that don't lead to much besides discouragement from the lower level player. What do you learn when you're getting zoned and down multiple levels in a solo lane at like 10 minutes and have like 1/5th of enemy's cs?
I think it's fine to get pissed. Just gotta be constructive with criticism instead of just blind raging. At least tell the guy why he blows. If they can't take it, then there's no point of them playing in LP. Pretty simple to me.
There probably isn't any real way to ensure people are always trying their best just as there is no real way to ensure that they will always play someone they're not necessarily their best with.
I think you essentially need to get a feel for how the game you're in is about to go at champion select or in teamspeak. It really seems to depend on who is in the game, what time of day/night it is, and whether or not everyone is in TS. I've played mega tryhard games in LP before where both teams were in TS doing their very best, and I played an amazing and hilarious supertroll game last night with a jungle Veigar and didn't feel bad at all for feeding mid (though I didn't feed that hard). Even in the troll game though people were still trying to win, I don't think it ever degenerates in throwing intentionally or whatever.
I think ultimately the onus is on the 'veteran' members of TL LoL/LP to make people who are unfamiliar with the atmosphere comfortable in the games until they get a feel for the people and the inhouse games themselves. I know I'm a lot more comfortable in these games than I used to be, but in my case it's probably from casting so much and seeing people's attitudes and friendliness in allchat during the games and after.
On July 27 2012 09:08 Roffles wrote: I love you Shitcombo, but man you really gotta stop playin Chogath in these IHs. Completely killin the point of these things.
rofl... dis really true?
BAD 5HIT
Yeah he tryharded cho a few games in a row, both mid and jungle. I did alright against his cho in lane as Orianna until him+milo decided to tryhard roam and gank everything.
I agree though. I don't mind the 1800+'s playing their best champion once in a while but the point of the inhouse is to improve. I heavily doubt they're improving their champion playing against people who're 400 ELO below them, ranked is probably the place to do that. As hard as I try, my ~1650 mid isn't anywhere particularly close to their top champions.
I guess this is as good a place to ask as any ~ I am trying to learn a few champs that I'm very bad at right now - in this case, Irelia. I'm looking for someone who knows what they're doing top lane (ideally who knows how irelia should be played and can coach me) and I'm looking for a handful of 1v1 lane games top lane - until either 15 mins or the lane is clearly winning one way or another.
Now that it's rather popular, can we not invite 30+ people to one room. Stuff bugs and stuff like this happens. I won a ranked game and then saw inhouse game people on the right.
Asking a few times in the chat is usually enough to get 10 people throughout the day.
On July 27 2012 09:08 Roffles wrote: I love you Shitcombo, but man you really gotta stop playin Chogath in these IHs. Completely killin the point of these things.
rofl... dis really true?
BAD 5HIT
Yeah he tryharded cho a few games in a row, both mid and jungle. I did alright against his cho in lane as Orianna until him+milo decided to tryhard roam and gank everything.
I agree though. I don't mind the 1800+'s playing their best champion once in a while but the point of the inhouse is to improve. I heavily doubt they're improving their champion playing against people who're 400 ELO below them, ranked is probably the place to do that. As hard as I try, my ~1650 mid isn't anywhere particularly close to their top champions.
Okay, those were the first two Cho games i had played since I got my new laptop, and I was playing mid one game and jungling the other in matchups that weren't really my favor both times (vs Ori mid first and vs Noc in the double global comp 2nd). I actually was going to AD the first game but the guy who chose Ashe to trade me totally froze when I asked him who he wanted and I ended up just panic clicking Chogath mid. The second game I was gonna Cho mid but then Milo picked TF which scrapes Cho so I was like f it jungle and let incendio go gragas mid (who was the real reason we won wtf 8-1 start or something).
ANYWAY the point is I wasn't gonna do it the first game, it was an accident, and the second game I chose jungle cho which totally isn't that big of a deal . I FP'd Chogath to see if the other team could deal with draft strategy .
[edit] I am guilty of tryhard panth jungling those other games though. [/edit]
Also, I was trying out this theory Daenius has where, empirically, I don't lose games if I build RCS on Cho so I've just been rushing it every game now and I haven't lost yet.
On July 27 2012 11:21 Lmui wrote: Now that it's rather popular, can we not invite 30+ people to one room. Stuff bugs and stuff like this happens. I won a ranked game and then saw inhouse game people on the right.
Asking a few times in the chat is usually enough to get 10 people throughout the day.
thats amazing LOL
client was bugging out and giving me weird error messages all day, finally got into a game and it was fine, but after the game, apparently i joined aseion's post game lobby while looking at the scorescreen for a diff. in house game than the one i just played LOL
I thought the whole point of improvement was to get your ass owned so hard, that it makes you try harder, and exposes weaknesses in your plays that might not be apparent in lower level matches.
On July 27 2012 13:36 0123456789 wrote: I thought the whole point of improvement was to get your ass owned so hard, that it makes you try harder, and exposes weaknesses in your plays that might not be apparent in lower level matches.
My opinion is that incremental improvement is the way to go. If you get your ass handed to you so hard that you can't walk into lane without getting killed by 10 minutes, you're not learning anything, you're just getting frustrated. A good example would be the game I just finished. I was playing kogmaw with blitz against bezelheim's vayne+taric. With no outside intervention, bezel was up ~8-12 cs after 10 minutes (~70 vs 80). Two waves worth of creeps. I know by seeing that that my mechanics need work. I need to last hit better. If my support wasn't so good and our jungler wasn't as effective as he was, I would've most likely lost the lane eventually.
You learn teamfighting best if you're in a full teamspeak since if you can coordinate, call out targets and timers so that everyone's on the same page, you get a bit of insight into the mid-late game decisionmaking that better players do.
On July 27 2012 13:46 goldenkrnboi wrote: has no one noticed that kerrdog = pyrodox from page 11? :O exact same voice on TS. i've been expecting this for a while now.
On July 27 2012 13:46 goldenkrnboi wrote: has no one noticed that kerrdog = pyrodox from page 11? :O exact same voice on TS. i've been expecting this for a while now.
i thought it was common knowledge lol
i thought it was too, but no one brought it up. ?.?
I didn't know this, but then again I eventually hid the chat from my stream as entertaining as it was, because I'm trying to promote LP as a fun and helpful place to be so..... I could've sworn one of the people he was fighting with though has been kinda bitchy on another occasion too though...
Whatever, we don't have mods so don't feed the trolls and ignore the guy so we can all get back to our healthy gaming sessions.
Would it be possible to have a blacklist of names in the op? I imagine it would be useful for people who don't want to read all 21 pages of the thread. So far there's only been two (three?) People that shouldn't be invited iirc.
Also, how are we deciding who to blacklist? Is one game of raging enough to warrent it, or should it be more than once?
On July 27 2012 14:21 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't know this, but then again I eventually hid the chat from my stream as entertaining as it was, because I'm trying to promote LP as a fun and helpful place to be so..... I could've sworn one of the people he was fighting with though has been kinda bitchy on another occasion too though...
Whatever, we don't have mods so don't feed the trolls and ignore the guy so we can all get back to our healthy gaming sessions.
He went beyond bitchy, though. Just went total 12-year-old soloq rage mode, calling everybody who spoke any name he could think of. I was entertained. :D
On July 27 2012 11:23 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I actually was going to AD the first game but the guy who chose Ashe to trade me totally froze when I asked him who he wanted and I ended up just panic clicking Chogath mid.
Ah, that was me, sorry about that - I think my brain broke trying to figure out their AP Tryndamere strategy/who they were sending where, and I couldn't figure out who was speaking in TS - after a year in Europe then returning to NZ, I can't distinguish North American voices from one another, heh. Glad I managed to end up as support that game.
The two in-houses I took part in seemed to be v.well-mannered, and as someone who hadn't experienced a game w/everyone using voice-chat, fairly instructive.
Summoner Name: TheRealHH ELO: Unranked. Played 2 arranged 5 matches, that's the extent of my ranked history. Preferred Role(s): Support. I'd like to think I'm decent with Soraka, but I'm trying to learn some others as well. Schedule: Hectic. T.T
On July 27 2012 09:08 Roffles wrote: I love you Shitcombo, but man you really gotta stop playin Chogath in these IHs. Completely killin the point of these things.
rofl... dis really true?
BAD 5HIT
Yeah he tryharded cho a few games in a row, both mid and jungle. I did alright against his cho in lane as Orianna until him+milo decided to tryhard roam and gank everything.
I agree though. I don't mind the 1800+'s playing their best champion once in a while but the point of the inhouse is to improve. I heavily doubt they're improving their champion playing against people who're 400 ELO below them, ranked is probably the place to do that. As hard as I try, my ~1650 mid isn't anywhere particularly close to their top champions.
Okay, those were the first two Cho games i had played since I got my new laptop, and I was playing mid one game and jungling the other in matchups that weren't really my favor both times (vs Ori mid first and vs Noc in the double global comp 2nd). I actually was going to AD the first game but the guy who chose Ashe to trade me totally froze when I asked him who he wanted and I ended up just panic clicking Chogath mid. The second game I was gonna Cho mid but then Milo picked TF which scrapes Cho so I was like f it jungle and let incendio go gragas mid (who was the real reason we won wtf 8-1 start or something).
ANYWAY the point is I wasn't gonna do it the first game, it was an accident, and the second game I chose jungle cho which totally isn't that big of a deal . I FP'd Chogath to see if the other team could deal with draft strategy .
[edit] I am guilty of tryhard panth jungling those other games though. [/edit]
Also, I was trying out this theory Daenius has where, empirically, I don't lose games if I build RCS on Cho so I've just been rushing it every game now and I haven't lost yet.
I was the nocturne in that second game. I didn't feel like the cho pick was an issue and I don't have a problem with high Elo players picking strong picks. I really like having the opportunity to play against skilled players playing well. There definitely was an issue of the teams not having the same tone of gameplay thoug; It was a bit frustrating to be constantly invaded while my lanes were joking around.
On July 27 2012 03:45 TheYango wrote: The issue goes back to what I brought up with Neo several pages ago. Try hard and play seriously, but do it in game. These games are still essentially pubs though, so that doesn't mean that we want/should see Malph/TF/Shen/etc. every game just because they're in the pool. It's Liquid Practice--practice what's useful to you. Spamming games on a champ you won't reliably see get through bans in solo queue isn't good practice for you or your opponents.
Play seriously when you're in game. Just because people left some strong champs in the pool doesn't mean go all out troll. It's perfectly possible to build reasonable team compositions out of a fairly average selection of champions.
Honestly, the biggest problem is that Draft Mode gets people in a certain mindset when playing this game that's probably not in line with what we want. If there was a DotA style All Pick option where there's no bans/pick order, but still unique picking, I'd say that would be more appropriate for the level of games we're going for.
Alternately, unaware to Galladiator, have both teams in same TS channel and ban every champion Galladiator mentions interest in. Results?
So, what's the correct solution where conflicting advice is concerned? I was told to use a featured guide from solomid yesterday, and when I tried to use that build, people complained that I was maxing the wrong skills.
On July 28 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote: So, what's the correct solution where conflicting advice is concerned? I was told to use a featured guide from solomid yesterday, and when I tried to use that build, people complained that I was maxing the wrong skills.
Depends on the guide. Usually if it's a featured or approved guide you're safe but honestly don't put too much stock in what other people (non-TL I'd say) tell you to do anyway. Chances are they're dumb. :D
On July 27 2012 14:35 swim224 wrote: Would it be possible to have a blacklist of names in the op? I imagine it would be useful for people who don't want to read all 21 pages of the thread. So far there's only been two (three?) People that shouldn't be invited iirc.
Also, how are we deciding who to blacklist? Is one game of raging enough to warrent it, or should it be more than once?
I wouldn't mine handling/managing it, but I don't really have the authority. I'll let Neo manage it unless he wants me too.
So far we have:
kerrDOG2 X17 unnamed player from 10 pages back
other than those two I don't see any more. 5HIT said he is done playing so I don't know if he really needs to be added.
On July 27 2012 14:35 swim224 wrote: Would it be possible to have a blacklist of names in the op? I imagine it would be useful for people who don't want to read all 21 pages of the thread. So far there's only been two (three?) People that shouldn't be invited iirc.
Also, how are we deciding who to blacklist? Is one game of raging enough to warrent it, or should it be more than once?
I wouldn't mine handling/managing it, but I don't really have the authority. I'll let Neo manage it unless he wants me too.
So far we have:
kerrDOG2 X17 unnamed player from 10 pages back
other than those two I don't see any more. 5HIT said he is done playing so I don't know if he really needs to be added.
I'm REALLY not convinced 5Hit was completely at fault in the recent one. He played a game on a team with my Varus and didn't rage, so there's more than just not playing well going on here.
On July 28 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote: So, what's the correct solution where conflicting advice is concerned? I was told to use a featured guide from solomid yesterday, and when I tried to use that build, people complained that I was maxing the wrong skills.
It may sound like I'm repeating everyone else, but you really just have to play enough and learn for yourself. Even pros don't agree on builds i.e. some think IEdge on Ezreal is retarded but Chaox does it all the time or how Bob thinks Manamune on Yorick is a waste.
I started using guides from Mobafire and now realize the sheer stupidity of most of the guides, but it was a good start. Sometimes, a cohesive build, as dumbas it is, is better than one that is all over the place.
Just out of curiosity, what champion were you using?
On July 28 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote: So, what's the correct solution where conflicting advice is concerned? I was told to use a featured guide from solomid yesterday, and when I tried to use that build, people complained that I was maxing the wrong skills.
It may sound like I'm repeating everyone else, but you really just have to play enough and learn for yourself. Even pros don't agree on builds i.e. some think IEdge on Ezreal is retarded but Chaox does it all the time or how Bob thinks Manamune on Yorick is a waste.
I started using guides from Mobafire and now realize the sheer stupidity of most of the guides, but it was a good start. Sometimes, a cohesive build, as dumbas it is, is better than one that is all over the place.
Just out of curiosity, what champion were you using?
Varus. A featured guide from solomid, telling me max W first over Q, since W at max and 3 stacks of the debuff makes any other ability on your target proc 15% hp as damage.
On July 28 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote: So, what's the correct solution where conflicting advice is concerned? I was told to use a featured guide from solomid yesterday, and when I tried to use that build, people complained that I was maxing the wrong skills.
It may sound like I'm repeating everyone else, but you really just have to play enough and learn for yourself. Even pros don't agree on builds i.e. some think IEdge on Ezreal is retarded but Chaox does it all the time or how Bob thinks Manamune on Yorick is a waste.
I started using guides from Mobafire and now realize the sheer stupidity of most of the guides, but it was a good start. Sometimes, a cohesive build, as dumbas it is, is better than one that is all over the place.
Just out of curiosity, what champion were you using?
Varus. A featured guide from solomid, telling me max W first over Q, since W at max and 3 stacks of the debuff makes any other ability on your target proc 15% hp as damage.
Everyone yells at me if I do that though.
Honestly, in theory crafting, I initially thought Varus max W would be decent at least. However, I've never played Varus. One issue with a lot of people I see is that they theory craft instead of play test.
In all truthfulness, you just need to play games. I think you have like ~150ish normal wins? Just play a lot of games, figure out what works. After 200 ranked games with Viktor, I'm still developing builds and play styles. Think for yourself, but using guides as a very basic starting point isn't a terrible idea.
On July 28 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote: So, what's the correct solution where conflicting advice is concerned? I was told to use a featured guide from solomid yesterday, and when I tried to use that build, people complained that I was maxing the wrong skills.
It may sound like I'm repeating everyone else, but you really just have to play enough and learn for yourself. Even pros don't agree on builds i.e. some think IEdge on Ezreal is retarded but Chaox does it all the time or how Bob thinks Manamune on Yorick is a waste.
I started using guides from Mobafire and now realize the sheer stupidity of most of the guides, but it was a good start. Sometimes, a cohesive build, as dumbas it is, is better than one that is all over the place.
Just out of curiosity, what champion were you using?
Varus. A featured guide from solomid, telling me max W first over Q, since W at max and 3 stacks of the debuff makes any other ability on your target proc 15% hp as damage.
Everyone yells at me if I do that though.
Honestly, in theory crafting, I initially thought Varus max W would be decent at least. However, I've never played Varus. One issue with a lot of people I see is that they theory craft instead of play test.
In all truthfulness, you just need to play games. I think you have like ~150ish normal wins? Just play a lot of games, figure out what works. After 200 ranked games with Viktor, I'm still developing builds and play styles. Think for yourself, but using guides as a very basic starting point isn't a terrible idea.
Well, it basically comes down to a choice between harassing with Q, which will soak your mana fast as hell, or being ready for teamfights with W. Your main value in a fight is with the root on R, and the slow/healing redux on E, plus of course damage, but for damage, autoattacking a couple times to lead into the CC is amazing.
max E is solid and safe. relying on procs for damage is unreliable, not to mention W can be maxed later when the % dmg starts to ramp up faster with higher HP values all game. more levels in E also increase slow amount and decrease its cooldown, even if we ignore the fact that it also increases the damage. E is also your only escape as varus so you want it up more often and slowing more
On July 28 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote: So, what's the correct solution where conflicting advice is concerned? I was told to use a featured guide from solomid yesterday, and when I tried to use that build, people complained that I was maxing the wrong skills.
It may sound like I'm repeating everyone else, but you really just have to play enough and learn for yourself. Even pros don't agree on builds i.e. some think IEdge on Ezreal is retarded but Chaox does it all the time or how Bob thinks Manamune on Yorick is a waste.
I started using guides from Mobafire and now realize the sheer stupidity of most of the guides, but it was a good start. Sometimes, a cohesive build, as dumbas it is, is better than one that is all over the place.
Just out of curiosity, what champion were you using?
Varus. A featured guide from solomid, telling me max W first over Q, since W at max and 3 stacks of the debuff makes any other ability on your target proc 15% hp as damage.
Everyone yells at me if I do that though.
Honestly, in theory crafting, I initially thought Varus max W would be decent at least. However, I've never played Varus. One issue with a lot of people I see is that they theory craft instead of play test.
In all truthfulness, you just need to play games. I think you have like ~150ish normal wins? Just play a lot of games, figure out what works. After 200 ranked games with Viktor, I'm still developing builds and play styles. Think for yourself, but using guides as a very basic starting point isn't a terrible idea.
On July 28 2012 02:24 jacosajh wrote: I don't want to dilute this thread, but I agree. I would max W/E -> Q. I see Q on Varus as an almost useless skill.
It's useful for trying to get the kill on someone who's running away or on the wrong side of terrain. Which is, in essence, a purely teamfight thing. It's certainly shit early game, when you don't have the mana to sustain it outside of teamfights, making the damage semi-useless.
E is good, but it's a utility thing. I don't consider it much of an escape due to the animation stopping motion. If someone is really on your (very squishy) nuts bad enough that the slow is your best chance at escaping, you're fucking dead. Because stopping long enough to drop the slow is a guaranteed hit or two for any champ that you need to slow to escape from. Better to just build boots and a couple of doran's, then follow with a fast Zeal for move speed bonus before moving into heavy AD.
Keep flash for escape.
That's why I die so much if I get out of position with him, his E is terrible for escape.
On July 28 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote: So, what's the correct solution where conflicting advice is concerned? I was told to use a featured guide from solomid yesterday, and when I tried to use that build, people complained that I was maxing the wrong skills.
It may sound like I'm repeating everyone else, but you really just have to play enough and learn for yourself. Even pros don't agree on builds i.e. some think IEdge on Ezreal is retarded but Chaox does it all the time or how Bob thinks Manamune on Yorick is a waste.
I started using guides from Mobafire and now realize the sheer stupidity of most of the guides, but it was a good start. Sometimes, a cohesive build, as dumbas it is, is better than one that is all over the place.
Just out of curiosity, what champion were you using?
Varus. A featured guide from solomid, telling me max W first over Q, since W at max and 3 stacks of the debuff makes any other ability on your target proc 15% hp as damage.
Everyone yells at me if I do that though.
Honestly, in theory crafting, I initially thought Varus max W would be decent at least. However, I've never played Varus. One issue with a lot of people I see is that they theory craft instead of play test.
In all truthfulness, you just need to play games. I think you have like ~150ish normal wins? Just play a lot of games, figure out what works. After 200 ranked games with Viktor, I'm still developing builds and play styles. Think for yourself, but using guides as a very basic starting point isn't a terrible idea.
Happy birthday Mr. Resident Viktor
Thanks. Korea time too fast, it's actually the 28th (Tomorrow). Is my 21st. No promises on making it through the weekend.
On July 28 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote: So, what's the correct solution where conflicting advice is concerned? I was told to use a featured guide from solomid yesterday, and when I tried to use that build, people complained that I was maxing the wrong skills.
It may sound like I'm repeating everyone else, but you really just have to play enough and learn for yourself. Even pros don't agree on builds i.e. some think IEdge on Ezreal is retarded but Chaox does it all the time or how Bob thinks Manamune on Yorick is a waste.
I started using guides from Mobafire and now realize the sheer stupidity of most of the guides, but it was a good start. Sometimes, a cohesive build, as dumbas it is, is better than one that is all over the place.
Just out of curiosity, what champion were you using?
Varus. A featured guide from solomid, telling me max W first over Q, since W at max and 3 stacks of the debuff makes any other ability on your target proc 15% hp as damage.
Everyone yells at me if I do that though.
Honestly, in theory crafting, I initially thought Varus max W would be decent at least. However, I've never played Varus. One issue with a lot of people I see is that they theory craft instead of play test.
In all truthfulness, you just need to play games. I think you have like ~150ish normal wins? Just play a lot of games, figure out what works. After 200 ranked games with Viktor, I'm still developing builds and play styles. Think for yourself, but using guides as a very basic starting point isn't a terrible idea.
Happy birthday Mr. Resident Viktor
Thanks. Korea time too fast, it's actually the 28th (Tomorrow). Is my 21st. No promises on making it through the weekend.
Oh shits dude Happy B-day! If I was around this weekend I'd sing to you on stream but I won't be.
On July 28 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote: So, what's the correct solution where conflicting advice is concerned? I was told to use a featured guide from solomid yesterday, and when I tried to use that build, people complained that I was maxing the wrong skills.
It may sound like I'm repeating everyone else, but you really just have to play enough and learn for yourself. Even pros don't agree on builds i.e. some think IEdge on Ezreal is retarded but Chaox does it all the time or how Bob thinks Manamune on Yorick is a waste.
I started using guides from Mobafire and now realize the sheer stupidity of most of the guides, but it was a good start. Sometimes, a cohesive build, as dumbas it is, is better than one that is all over the place.
Just out of curiosity, what champion were you using?
Varus. A featured guide from solomid, telling me max W first over Q, since W at max and 3 stacks of the debuff makes any other ability on your target proc 15% hp as damage.
Everyone yells at me if I do that though.
Honestly, in theory crafting, I initially thought Varus max W would be decent at least. However, I've never played Varus. One issue with a lot of people I see is that they theory craft instead of play test.
In all truthfulness, you just need to play games. I think you have like ~150ish normal wins? Just play a lot of games, figure out what works. After 200 ranked games with Viktor, I'm still developing builds and play styles. Think for yourself, but using guides as a very basic starting point isn't a terrible idea.
Happy birthday Mr. Resident Viktor
Thanks. Korea time too fast, it's actually the 28th (Tomorrow). Is my 21st. No promises on making it through the weekend.
Oh shits dude Happy B-day! If I was around this weekend I'd sing to you on stream but I won't be.
Chances are I won't be touching my computer this weekend anyway. No worries, I'll just cash in on that on Monday
Throw me on the tentative blacklist if you want, I most likely won't rage in an inhouse, the two times I did in the past 2 days were pickup blind pick games that I was taking random channel members for. I don't feel like I deserve to be blacklisted because of that but if you don't want me in the games I won't play.
When I actually started playing inhouses with TL they were lots of fun and really mannered so I feel like that's different. Again, your call, you guys know who I am and how I conduct myself. I won't be offended either way.
On July 28 2012 05:38 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Throw me on the tentative blacklist if you want, I most likely won't rage in an inhouse, the two times I did in the past 2 days were pickup blind pick games that I was taking random channel members for. I don't feel like I deserve to be blacklisted because of that but if you don't want me in the games I won't play.
When I actually started playing inhouses with TL they were lots of fun and really mannered so I feel like that's different. Again, your call, you guys know who I am and how I conduct myself. I won't be offended either way.
We'd love to have you since you can provide great insight and help lower level players improve. We just want to make sure the environment stays 100% friendly. We'll play it by ear on a trial basis for now.. i'm sure fellow TL'ers will show clemency given your history on the site.
Well, I guess that means I'm kicked out, I got the last hit on milo in the middle of our team when he was dc'd and it got him mad so I left. We were too far behind to kill any of their champs anyway so I don't think me leaving was that big of a deal, and DCWasabi kept engaging 1v2 every time I looked at him which was making me frustrated and our taric was just... oh my god, I'm horrible for this game and fuck me.
Don't blacklist 5HITCOMBO, or please, don't stop playing in-houses. I always took good advice from you, since when you started with that funny thing called Wraith-jacking. You should wear a disclaimer for "tough-love" or something and it should be fine for newer players.
To be fair, I (I was Varus) started killing Anivia and did not even thought Milo had DC, so I'm partially to blame there.
Bamilus just told me to go kill myself and that i don't know anything about this game because i picked jungle ezreal and couldn't out-gank a jungle alistar. SERIOUSLY? And people talk to me about being a rager?
-Woah... you want to blacklist 5hit? it's blatantly stupid, we all know we kind of like get a bit trolly from time to time, what can I say, it's an inhouse, not ranked or stuff, plus I beleive there were some big insults from other guys in the game (one of them telling him to kill himself and stuff).
¿Really guys? You're acting like a group of reddit witch-hunters, turn off your torches and lay down your pitchforks, we're not a big training group and you're just complaining about just ONE match that ONE guy dropped the ball off early game, you're not going to lose ELO or skill.
On July 28 2012 12:08 JingleHell wrote: Are Friday nights always this bad? If you don't know why I'm asking, you probably don't want to.
This is how it went:
stxz wants to play ad tf stxz is like "ok nehsb go support me" (stxz knows that I suck at support) I end up playing support taric (which I play have played very little recently) I end up going for really bad stuns and end up with 200 hp/100 mana t level 2 you go overagressive because i have low hp and end up dying lane snowballs out of control
Sorry for picking taric, and snowballing the lane afterwards, but it was by no means intended to be some tryhard lane to stomp you.
On July 28 2012 12:08 JingleHell wrote: Are Friday nights always this bad? If you don't know why I'm asking, you probably don't want to.
This is how it went:
stxz wants to play ad tf stxz is like "ok nehsb go support me" (stxz knows that I suck at support) I end up playing support taric (which I play have played very little recently) I end up going for really bad stuns and end up with 200 hp/100 mana t level 2 you go overagressive because i have low hp and end up dying lane snowballs out of control
Sorry for picking taric, and snowballing the lane afterwards, but it was by no means intended to be some tryhard lane to stomp you.
Here's a suggestion. Spend an entire game staring at the rez timer. See how much that 25 minutes helps your play. I got 5 bucks says all it does is make you think certain things are a waste of time, rather than... oh, I don't know... practice?
On July 28 2012 12:08 JingleHell wrote: Are Friday nights always this bad? If you don't know why I'm asking, you probably don't want to.
This is how it went:
stxz wants to play ad tf stxz is like "ok nehsb go support me" (stxz knows that I suck at support) I end up playing support taric (which I play have played very little recently) I end up going for really bad stuns and end up with 200 hp/100 mana t level 2 you go overagressive because i have low hp and end up dying lane snowballs out of control
Sorry for picking taric, and snowballing the lane afterwards, but it was by no means intended to be some tryhard lane to stomp you.
Here's a suggestion. Spend an entire game staring at the rez timer. See how much that 25 minutes helps your play. I got 5 bucks says all it does is make you think certain things are a waste of time, rather than... oh, I don't know... practice?
As I said, sorry for snowballing the lane after the initial advantage instead of say, helping mid. But it's more of a "we can kill people, and I like kills" and not thinking about how it's an inhouse rather than intentionally tryharding and picking a stomp lane.
On July 28 2012 12:08 JingleHell wrote: Are Friday nights always this bad? If you don't know why I'm asking, you probably don't want to.
This is how it went:
stxz wants to play ad tf stxz is like "ok nehsb go support me" (stxz knows that I suck at support) I end up playing support taric (which I play have played very little recently) I end up going for really bad stuns and end up with 200 hp/100 mana t level 2 you go overagressive because i have low hp and end up dying lane snowballs out of control
Sorry for picking taric, and snowballing the lane afterwards, but it was by no means intended to be some tryhard lane to stomp you.
Here's a suggestion. Spend an entire game staring at the rez timer. See how much that 25 minutes helps your play. I got 5 bucks says all it does is make you think certain things are a waste of time, rather than... oh, I don't know... practice?
Wait, you're BITCHING at Nehsb for making correct plays on a champion/role that he never plays?
On July 28 2012 12:08 JingleHell wrote: Are Friday nights always this bad? If you don't know why I'm asking, you probably don't want to.
This is how it went:
stxz wants to play ad tf stxz is like "ok nehsb go support me" (stxz knows that I suck at support) I end up playing support taric (which I play have played very little recently) I end up going for really bad stuns and end up with 200 hp/100 mana t level 2 you go overagressive because i have low hp and end up dying lane snowballs out of control
Sorry for picking taric, and snowballing the lane afterwards, but it was by no means intended to be some tryhard lane to stomp you.
Here's a suggestion. Spend an entire game staring at the rez timer. See how much that 25 minutes helps your play. I got 5 bucks says all it does is make you think certain things are a waste of time, rather than... oh, I don't know... practice?
Wait, you're BITCHING at Nehsb for making correct plays on a champion/role that he never plays?
No, I'm annoyed that they went above and beyond the call of practice match to make sure that if I tried to come within sight range of my own turret after rezzing, that I died before I even saw a creep wave. Are you actually suggesting that that qualifies as good fun or practice?
Or is 0-14-1 with less than 30 CS all game and 4 levels behind their entire team at the 10 minute mark all in good fun?
On July 29 2012 07:04 JingleHell wrote: No, I'm annoyed that they went above and beyond the call of practice match to make sure that if I tried to come within sight range of my own turret after rezzing, that I died before I even saw a creep wave. Are you actually suggesting that that qualifies as good fun or practice?
Or is 0-14-1 with less than 30 CS all game and 4 levels behind their entire team at the 10 minute mark all in good fun?
I don't understand what you mean by "above and beyond the call of practice". I'd expect players in an inhouse to play hard and do what they believe to be the correct play. If staying in lane and killing you was in fact giving up objectives and not advantageous--and simply done out of spite, then I would object. But generally speaking, suppressing an AD carry's farm bot lane is not exactly a bad play under most circumstances. As an AD player, the onus is on you to find ways to get farm elsewhere, not keep coming back to lane and expect people to baby you by leaving the lane.
On July 29 2012 07:04 JingleHell wrote: No, I'm annoyed that they went above and beyond the call of practice match to make sure that if I tried to come within sight range of my own turret after rezzing, that I died before I even saw a creep wave. Are you actually suggesting that that qualifies as good fun or practice?
Or is 0-14-1 with less than 30 CS all game and 4 levels behind their entire team at the 10 minute mark all in good fun?
I don't understand what you mean by "above and beyond the call of practice". I'd expect players in an inhouse to play hard and do what they believe to be the correct play. If staying in lane and killing you was in fact giving up objectives and not advantageous--and simply done out of spite, then I would object. But generally speaking, suppressing an AD carry's farm bot lane is not exactly a bad play under most circumstances. As an AD player, the onus is on you to find ways to get farm elsewhere, not keep coming back to lane and expect people to baby you by leaving the lane.
If you actually go back and read, even Nehsb admits they went over the top on me, so it sounds like you're just another one of the asshats who wants anybody who isn't cool like you to go back to the solo queue. Which is what I'm damn near coming to, because spending 25 minutes padding someone's K/D is not fun, and it is not practice. There's a difference between making me work for it, punishing mistakes, and making people not want to play. If you can't see the difference, I'm not going to waste my time breaking out an explanation simple enough for you.
On July 29 2012 07:04 JingleHell wrote: No, I'm annoyed that they went above and beyond the call of practice match to make sure that if I tried to come within sight range of my own turret after rezzing, that I died before I even saw a creep wave. Are you actually suggesting that that qualifies as good fun or practice?
Or is 0-14-1 with less than 30 CS all game and 4 levels behind their entire team at the 10 minute mark all in good fun?
I don't understand what you mean by "above and beyond the call of practice". I'd expect players in an inhouse to play hard and do what they believe to be the correct play. If staying in lane and killing you was in fact giving up objectives and not advantageous--and simply done out of spite, then I would object. But generally speaking, suppressing an AD carry's farm bot lane is not exactly a bad play under most circumstances. As an AD player, the onus is on you to find ways to get farm elsewhere, not keep coming back to lane and expect people to baby you by leaving the lane.
If you actually go back and read, even Nehsb admits they went over the top on me, so it sounds like you're just another one of the asshats who wants anybody who isn't cool like you to go back to the solo queue. Which is what I'm damn near coming to, because spending 25 minutes padding someone's K/D is not fun, and it is not practice. There's a difference between making me work for it, punishing mistakes, and making people not want to play. If you can't see the difference, I'm not going to waste my time breaking out an explanation simple enough for you.
what you're basically saying is you want people to go easy on you lol...
On July 28 2012 12:08 JingleHell wrote: Are Friday nights always this bad? If you don't know why I'm asking, you probably don't want to.
This is how it went:
stxz wants to play ad tf stxz is like "ok nehsb go support me" (stxz knows that I suck at support) I end up playing support taric (which I play have played very little recently) I end up going for really bad stuns and end up with 200 hp/100 mana t level 2 you go overagressive because i have low hp and end up dying lane snowballs out of control
Sorry for picking taric, and snowballing the lane afterwards, but it was by no means intended to be some tryhard lane to stomp you.
Here's a suggestion. Spend an entire game staring at the rez timer. See how much that 25 minutes helps your play. I got 5 bucks says all it does is make you think certain things are a waste of time, rather than... oh, I don't know... practice?
Wait, you're BITCHING at Nehsb for making correct plays on a champion/role that he never plays?
No, I'm annoyed that they went above and beyond the call of practice match to make sure that if I tried to come within sight range of my own turret after rezzing, that I died before I even saw a creep wave. Are you actually suggesting that that qualifies as good fun or practice?
Or is 0-14-1 with less than 30 CS all game and 4 levels behind their entire team at the 10 minute mark all in good fun?
On July 29 2012 07:04 JingleHell wrote: No, I'm annoyed that they went above and beyond the call of practice match to make sure that if I tried to come within sight range of my own turret after rezzing, that I died before I even saw a creep wave. Are you actually suggesting that that qualifies as good fun or practice?
Or is 0-14-1 with less than 30 CS all game and 4 levels behind their entire team at the 10 minute mark all in good fun?
I don't understand what you mean by "above and beyond the call of practice". I'd expect players in an inhouse to play hard and do what they believe to be the correct play. If staying in lane and killing you was in fact giving up objectives and not advantageous--and simply done out of spite, then I would object. But generally speaking, suppressing an AD carry's farm bot lane is not exactly a bad play under most circumstances. As an AD player, the onus is on you to find ways to get farm elsewhere, not keep coming back to lane and expect people to baby you by leaving the lane.
If you actually go back and read, even Nehsb admits they went over the top on me, so it sounds like you're just another one of the asshats who wants anybody who isn't cool like you to go back to the solo queue. Which is what I'm damn near coming to, because spending 25 minutes padding someone's K/D is not fun, and it is not practice. There's a difference between making me work for it, punishing mistakes, and making people not want to play. If you can't see the difference, I'm not going to waste my time breaking out an explanation simple enough for you.
what you're basically saying is you want people to go easy on you lol...
In a theoretically friendly game, when everyone knows who's actually better and there's literally nothing at stake? Yes, I'd appreciate if people went easy enough on me that I got to see a creep somewhere besides the minimap. If you think that's asking too much, I clearly got the wrong impression from WaveofShadow's blog talking about LiquidPractice, since I was under the impression it's supposed to be fun and friendly. If people want bad players to say "Fuck this, the TL LoL community sucks", that's fine. Just have the decency not to try and make it out to be people crying, when they actually just bought into the marketing hype.
I sort of agree with JingleHell.... as much as I hate to admit it. He's obviously one of the weaker players that participates in these games. You should still punish him for his mistakes but after 3 or 4 kills on him try to do other things than just kill him. It makes it frustrating for the other players as much as for Jingle when people just dive bot 24/7 feeding off of Jingle.
On July 29 2012 07:04 JingleHell wrote: No, I'm annoyed that they went above and beyond the call of practice match to make sure that if I tried to come within sight range of my own turret after rezzing, that I died before I even saw a creep wave. Are you actually suggesting that that qualifies as good fun or practice?
Or is 0-14-1 with less than 30 CS all game and 4 levels behind their entire team at the 10 minute mark all in good fun?
I don't understand what you mean by "above and beyond the call of practice". I'd expect players in an inhouse to play hard and do what they believe to be the correct play. If staying in lane and killing you was in fact giving up objectives and not advantageous--and simply done out of spite, then I would object. But generally speaking, suppressing an AD carry's farm bot lane is not exactly a bad play under most circumstances. As an AD player, the onus is on you to find ways to get farm elsewhere, not keep coming back to lane and expect people to baby you by leaving the lane.
If you actually go back and read, even Nehsb admits they went over the top on me, so it sounds like you're just another one of the asshats who wants anybody who isn't cool like you to go back to the solo queue. Which is what I'm damn near coming to, because spending 25 minutes padding someone's K/D is not fun, and it is not practice. There's a difference between making me work for it, punishing mistakes, and making people not want to play. If you can't see the difference, I'm not going to waste my time breaking out an explanation simple enough for you.
what you're basically saying is you want people to go easy on you lol...
In a theoretically friendly game, when everyone knows who's actually better and there's literally nothing at stake? Yes, I'd appreciate if people went easy enough on me that I got to see a creep somewhere besides the minimap. If you think that's asking too much, I clearly got the wrong impression from WaveofShadow's blog talking about LiquidPractice, since I was under the impression it's supposed to be fun and friendly. If people want bad players to say "Fuck this, the TL LoL community sucks", that's fine. Just have the decency not to try and make it out to be people crying, when they actually just bought into the marketing hype.
I've played with and against you and I know where you're coming from -- but honestly, you can't expect the opposing bottom lane to just let you do whatever you want -- otherwise it's not fair to them, who also came to practice. If that's the case, then maybe make it clear before the game starts that you are extremely inexperienced and would like an equally matched lane, or for someone to voluntarily go very easy on you. I remember laning vs you one time, and due to previous experience I knew after 5-6 kills that I should let you farm up so you get a better late-game experience, and help my team around the map (at that point I was kind of fed though, so it's still an issue).
Yes, this is supposed to be a fun and friendly group, but you have to keep in mind almost everyone is coming to practice and improve, and the only way to get around large skill discrepancies are to choose lanes and match them as best as possible (skill-wise) in the group lobby. Otherwise this is always going to happen, and it isn't effective for learning unless the winning lane pays a lot of attention to the losing one's POV and gives them feedback.
On July 29 2012 07:04 JingleHell wrote: No, I'm annoyed that they went above and beyond the call of practice match to make sure that if I tried to come within sight range of my own turret after rezzing, that I died before I even saw a creep wave. Are you actually suggesting that that qualifies as good fun or practice?
Or is 0-14-1 with less than 30 CS all game and 4 levels behind their entire team at the 10 minute mark all in good fun?
I don't understand what you mean by "above and beyond the call of practice". I'd expect players in an inhouse to play hard and do what they believe to be the correct play. If staying in lane and killing you was in fact giving up objectives and not advantageous--and simply done out of spite, then I would object. But generally speaking, suppressing an AD carry's farm bot lane is not exactly a bad play under most circumstances. As an AD player, the onus is on you to find ways to get farm elsewhere, not keep coming back to lane and expect people to baby you by leaving the lane.
If you actually go back and read, even Nehsb admits they went over the top on me, so it sounds like you're just another one of the asshats who wants anybody who isn't cool like you to go back to the solo queue. Which is what I'm damn near coming to, because spending 25 minutes padding someone's K/D is not fun, and it is not practice. There's a difference between making me work for it, punishing mistakes, and making people not want to play. If you can't see the difference, I'm not going to waste my time breaking out an explanation simple enough for you.
what you're basically saying is you want people to go easy on you lol...
In a theoretically friendly game, when everyone knows who's actually better and there's literally nothing at stake? Yes, I'd appreciate if people went easy enough on me that I got to see a creep somewhere besides the minimap. If you think that's asking too much, I clearly got the wrong impression from WaveofShadow's blog talking about LiquidPractice, since I was under the impression it's supposed to be fun and friendly. If people want bad players to say "Fuck this, the TL LoL community sucks", that's fine. Just have the decency not to try and make it out to be people crying, when they actually just bought into the marketing hype.
I've played with and against you and I know where you're coming from -- but honestly, you can't expect the opposing bottom lane to just let you do whatever you want -- otherwise it's not fair to them, who also came to practice. If that's the case, then maybe make it clear before the game starts that you are extremely inexperienced and would like an equally matched lane, or for someone to voluntarily go very easy on you. I remember laning vs you one time, and due to previous experience I knew after 5-6 kills that I should let you farm up so you get a better late-game experience, and help my team around the map (at that point I was kind of fed though, so it's still an issue).
Yes, this is supposed to be a fun and friendly group, but you have to keep in mind almost everyone is coming to practice and improve, and the only way to get around large skill discrepancies are to choose lanes and match them as best as possible (skill-wise) in the group lobby. Otherwise this is always going to happen, and it isn't effective for learning unless the winning lane pays a lot of attention to the losing one's POV and gives them feedback.
I tried saying I didn't want to lane against stxz before the game. I got told essentially the same thing I'm hearing now. "Don't be a baby."
The only ones crying here are the ones getting their little bubble burst by having someone point out that farming a scrub like me doesn't do anything but make them look like a prick.
On July 29 2012 08:20 HazMat wrote: JingleHell I think the biggest problem is that you're an asshole.
I'm a huge asshole. But then, that's not exactly any different from anyone else in the channel. But I'm done wasting my time. I'll solo queue. You guys can feel special, and I won't be expected to waste my life in 25 minute chunks getting wrecked by people who just want to stomp on noobs.
JingleHell (7:18): You want fucking crying, lets look at you. "Somebody burst my little epeen bubble by pointing out that absuing noobs doesn't make me good. Waah" JingleHell (7:19): Yknow, this is why I normally avoid most of TL's gaming side of the community JingleHell (7:19): too busy being better than the scrubs to look up "community" and find out they did it wrong JingleHell (7:19): piss off.
And with an impassioned monologue, JingleHell leaves LiquidPractice, vowing revenge; waiting, plotting, biding his time in the darkness for when he can triumphantly return and stomp us all after grinding solo queue...
I seriously think lanes need to be matched somewhat equally in the lobby. From now on, if I host a game, I'm going to implement that -- over the past week the amount of people getting annoyed over extremely unfavored lanes is turning this more from improvement and fun into frustration. I suggest other hosts do the same (unless it's a troll game -- then do whatever the hell you want lol).
Jingle, not to be a dick, but I think you'd be better off practicing 1v1s or Bot Practice (if someone from LiquidParty feels like volunteering) if you're looking for a non-frustrating method of improvement. That, or be willing to lose lane badly until you can improve, and constantly take in advice from other people who are playing vs or with you. From what I've seen your game knowledge is lacking, and that can only be gained through experience with different heroes and roles (although I'd start by focusing on one champ, one role), and a majority of LP players are average, so maybe they could shed some light on the matchups and whatnot.
Edit: Lol Jingle, dude you need to chill. Embrace the game and enjoy, get better, ask for help, etc. That's what the group is for. It is not, however, going to cater to every single one of your needs. We ain't yo bitches.
On July 29 2012 08:29 Mondeezy wrote: I seriously think lanes need to be matched somewhat equally in the lobby. From now on, if I host a game, I'm going to implement that -- over the past week the amount of people getting annoyed over extremely unfavored lanes is turning this more from improvement and fun into frustration. I suggest other hosts do the same (unless it's a troll game -- then do whatever the hell you want lol).
Jingle, not to be a dick, but I think you'd be better off practicing 1v1s or Bot Practice (if someone from LiquidParty feels like volunteering) if you're looking for a non-frustrating method of improvement. That, or be willing to lose lane badly until you can improve, and constantly take in advice from other people who are playing vs or with you. From what I've seen your game knowledge is lacking, and that can only be gained through experience with different heroes and roles (although I'd start by focusing on one champ, one role), and a majority of LP players are average, so maybe they could shed some light on the matchups and whatnot.
When I play in these I usually make sure to go against Aaerox or Awnn to make it fair. But then I somehow end up mid vs a random TLer and get crushed npnp.
this is tl tradition someone will always get stomped and then blame the other person of trying too hard it's how it has always been with such a large skill disparity, someone will always complain
if you're getting your butt whooped, i suggest keeping it to yourself, or risk getting laughed at publically
After playing multiple lanes against people like Bezelheim, stxz (seriously, fuck you and your malphite ), and DURRHURRDERP, the best advice I can give is:
Deal with it. Believe it or not, getting stomped is also practice. I wouldn't play if I didn't expect to play people significantly better than me.
this reminds me of the dramas in the original league thread with like utah and wra
regardless i don't think that people should be insulting each other here for what they do during inhouses because the purpose of them is to learn and have fun
On July 29 2012 08:37 Node wrote: After playing multiple lanes against people like Bezelheim, stxz (seriously, fuck you and your malphite ), and DURRHURRDERP, the best advice I can give is:
Deal with it. Believe it or not, getting stomped is also practice. I wouldn't play if I didn't expect to play people significantly better than me.
Getting beat like going 0/3/x isn't too bad, it happens to most of the 1600s when they get matched against the 1900+'s. It's the getting stomped, rolled and melted constantly that's putting people off. If you go 0/10/1 in lane, you've literally spent more time respawning and walking to lane than in lane.
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that there isn't so much to abuse in a lane with 2k vs 1600 compared to 1600 vs 1200. It's much harder to get free harass off and even if you do, people are much less likely to stay in lane with dangerously low health.
I just want to add that nehsb and stxz didn't go bot as part of a grand conspiracy to curb stomp you jingle, it was more that stxz wanted to show aaerox how AD TF is done.
i am under 500 elo and i lost lanes but not gone terrible scores vs the 1.8k or above players just raise ur game and try to learn stuff 1 lane i was getting beat hard but i went 6-0.
I would like to comment on the game as I laned with Jingle. It was a bit excessive the extent you were killing Jingle. You had won the lane already very hard and still tower dove him again and again. Both aaerox and I agreed it was a bit over the top. Not saying you did anything wrong....but honestly....give the guy a break he's such a beginner.
LiquidPractice is meant to be a competitive place for TL.netters to mingle and play against each other. This JingleHell debacle has been blown way out of proportion.
1. I've asked time and again that our better players keep things fair for the rest of the channel. The worst "offender" that I've seen is probably Milo but even with him (going Ali and TF very often), he has never beaten a team into submission where they felt overwhelmed. consonants is probably a close second (fuuu Malphite).
2. With point 1 said, everyone should be trying their best. That means if they have the opportunity to curbstomp, they should. At least for that one game. What's the point of holding back? In this specific situation, Nehsb and consonant went Taric and AD TF. If they rolled their lane, just ask them not to do the same again next game.
3. If Jinglehell was already 0-5 in lane, I'd hope that Nehsb's team would ease up. You can always come back from a poor start. Just look at Darien today. Don't be a quitter. Keep on trying.
4. Tying back to point 3, if you're getting curbstomped in a IH, guess what? It happens in solo q as well. At least you have friends in LP who can critique your play.
On July 29 2012 11:49 ReedTheBest wrote: I would like to comment on the game as I laned with Jingle. It was a bit excessive the extent you were killing Jingle. You had won the lane already very hard and still tower dove him again and again. Both aaerox and I agreed it was a bit over the top. Not saying you did anything wrong....but honestly....give the guy a break he's such a beginner.
For clarity, how many times did Jingle die in lane?
I wasn't in the particular game, but I've played plenty of games (especially in bot lane) where that's happened to me as well. It's to be expected, of course, someone who's at a higher ELO will just lane better, and then their instinct is to push that advantage. You can't really blame someone for playing well.
On the other hand, it's rather frustrating to play against someone wayy higher ELO than you just crush you. I'm sure it's not good experience for the better person, either. You don't learn anything by winning easy games.
But honestly, there's nothing you can do about it, unless you only ever lane against someone at or around your skill level. Many of the inhouses are very skewed in lane distributions, but you can't control that.
On July 29 2012 11:58 Requizen wrote: I wasn't in the particular game, but I've played plenty of games (especially in bot lane) where that's happened to me as well. It's to be expected, of course, someone who's at a higher ELO will just lane better, and then their instinct is to push that advantage. You can't really blame someone for playing well.
On the other hand, it's rather frustrating to play against someone wayy higher ELO than you just crush you. I'm sure it's not good experience for the better person, either. You don't learn anything by winning easy games.
But honestly, there's nothing you can do about it, unless you only ever lane against someone at or around your skill level. Many of the inhouses are very skewed in lane distributions, but you can't control that.
I'm assuming it was a 20 min game from the sound of it, so in that 20 mins you can just watch and study how your more experienced enemy laned, moved, etc and learn from it if it really turns out that badly. When I was still playing with TL B I learned a LOT from playing in mini-tourny games as well as scrims, going against players a lot better than myself. You kind of learn more about how to lane that lower level players generally don't think of.
For example, you could know a champ can do A. You're confident with A, and you feel it's good to do, but if done, the opponent often will do B, which you didn't know is a good way to counter your A. So you try to counter with doing C, but then they do D. Higher level players often really know matchups more intimately than a lower level player will, so learn from how they play, how they react to different movements and situations, instead of yell "WHY WON'T YOU GIVE ME A BREAK!!!??" ask yourself "what could I have done better?" or "in this situation what would be better than going to lane to get tower dove and die 2 seconds later?" You'll never learn if you're spoon fed bullshit like "oh, yeah man, you're awesome, here, kill me so I can feed your ego." Learn from your mistakes and maybe ask those players for pointers on how to improve. That's the point of this practice group, isn't it?
If you think calling this a waste of my time is just whining, you fall into the people that make LiquidPractice shit for noobs.
Feel free to mock the AP item, it was bought with GP5 earned while I was having a cigarette, which was the longest portion of the game I spent without dying.
This isn't a fun learning environment. It isn't conducive to learning either, because the "Practice" part of the whole thing is physically fucking impossible when you're getting shit on like this. And that frustrating of a game isn't going to make anyone give a shit.
At no point have I asked people to let me farm them or hand me free kills. Feel free to quote me where I said that, or stop accusing me of requesting it. If I have a game like this against random people, it happens, tough shit. If I have it in what's supposed to be a friendly practice environment, it's annoying.
A pro football player playing backyard 2 hand touch with his kid and his kid's friends isn't going to land bonebreaking hits, because the whole fun thing kinda goes out the window. A football team in training isn't going to try to kill each other, because they want people able to bring their A game on the field.
Like I said. If you guys don't want a fun, noob-friendly learning environment, that's up to you. But be willing to say that. Don't put it off as crying.
Oh, and I'm tired of getting told to "ask for advice". Advice isn't going to help with bad mechanics, which is by far my biggest problem. I last hit for shit, and I overextend a hair trying to last hit. That's shit where you need time practicing it to improve. Not time spent dead.
On July 29 2012 12:18 JingleHell wrote: Oh, and I'm tired of getting told to "ask for advice". Advice isn't going to help with bad mechanics, which is by far my biggest problem. I last hit for shit, and I overextend a hair trying to last hit. That's shit where you need time practicing it to improve. Not time spent dead.
In which case, the most efficient way to practice is to spam 1v1 and 2v2 practice, which Navi said like 10 pages ago lol.
i come into channel everyday asking if anyone want 1v1 or 2v2 practice but people only seem to wanna do 5v5 inhouses lol. also jinglehell, advice does help with bad mechanics.
On July 29 2012 11:49 ReedTheBest wrote: I would like to comment on the game as I laned with Jingle. It was a bit excessive the extent you were killing Jingle. You had won the lane already very hard and still tower dove him again and again. Both aaerox and I agreed it was a bit over the top. Not saying you did anything wrong....but honestly....give the guy a break he's such a beginner.
For clarity, how many times did Jingle die in lane?
Jingle gave up first blood and it started to snowball. He probably died about 8 times before the outer tower was downed. We were tower doven multiple times at least 3. I mostly think the tower dives were a bit excessive as they were reckless and unecessary and usually got the divers killed but also killed jingle everytime. I hope he doesn't mind me saying this...but aaerox (who i assume is a good, respected player) was raging on how assholish the other team was being. and that he never tries this hard to shit on the other team and next time he plays with those guys he will go tryhard mode.
The thing is that you guys know you can crush jingle in lane. i mean he had 30cs at 15 minutes. do you really need to farm him for more kills at the tower?
I'd probably just let the outer tower fall at 4-5 kills. That said, diving for exchanges they're pretty clearly coming out behind in (killing someone who's dead 5 times while sacrificing someone who's got a 5 kill spree) is pretty dickish.
On July 29 2012 12:35 HazMat wrote: Jingle afk'd in 2 inhouses out of 4 that I've played with him. Yea but it's us.
That's funny, I remember one where I fucked up and hit the wrong button to chat when RL popped up and I had to leave on short notice at something like 35-40 minutes in, but unless you're counting the one being talked about, where I went for a smoke because the game was already over, you're full of shit to say twice.
lol the funny thing is everyone agrees with jingle that the situation was overkill but all this arguing is going on because he is being such a huge douchebag.
On July 29 2012 12:31 De4ngus wrote: i come into channel everyday asking if anyone want 1v1 or 2v2 practice but people only seem to wanna do 5v5 inhouses lol. also jinglehell, advice does help with bad mechanics.
Despite the pretense of "improving," most people actually just want to play random pick-up in houses which are really really bad for actually trying to improve compared to the other options...
As people said, it's basically the same as solo queue with a slightly politer group of people in terms of how much you're gonna get out of it lol...
If you want to learn mechanics, just play 1v1/2v2 lanes. Much more efficient.
If you want to practice, play scrims with a regular group of people on the same team.
On July 29 2012 12:18 JingleHell wrote:Oh, and I'm tired of getting told to "ask for advice". Advice isn't going to help with bad mechanics, which is by far my biggest problem. I last hit for shit, and I overextend a hair trying to last hit. That's shit where you need time practicing it to improve. Not time spent dead.
If you want some feedback: you need to pay way more attention to creepwave size for engaging. Your first death was because you tried to engage into us when we had 7 creeps attacking you.
Again, sorry for diving you so much.
On a sidenote, I don't like the "balance lanes" solution; I've learned a lot from laning vs. milo, aaerox, etc. because they abuse opportunities. I also don't like "don't snowball lanes" because I'd like to learn how to stop a lane from snowballing. I would prefer just to have better communication inside a game as to whether or not it would be ok to lane how, etc. Like, JingleHell said before the game something along the lines of "I don't want to lane vs. stxz" but I didn't realize it was a serious request until after the game.
On a sidenote, I don't like the "balance lanes" solution; I've learned a lot from laning vs. milo, aaerox, etc. because they abuse opportunities.
You're also in a position where small tricks and techniques are more relevant. If a bronze league enters MLG as a competitor, does he have a chance at winning as long as he knows every recent development in the meta?
On a sidenote, I don't like the "balance lanes" solution; I've learned a lot from laning vs. milo, aaerox, etc. because they abuse opportunities.
You're also in a position where small tricks and techniques are more relevant. If a bronze league enters MLG as a competitor, does he have a chance at winning as long as he knows every recent development in the meta?
Hmm, could you make it very clear before the game that you were serious about "I don't want to lane vs. stxz?" Because I just saw that as a non-serious semi-compliment to stxz, instead of an actual request.
In general I think these situations could be avoided if there was just more communication between the teams.
On July 29 2012 12:31 De4ngus wrote: i come into channel everyday asking if anyone want 1v1 or 2v2 practice but people only seem to wanna do 5v5 inhouses lol. also jinglehell, advice does help with bad mechanics.
Despite the pretense of "improving," most people actually just want to play random pick-up in houses which are really really bad for actually trying to improve compared to the other options...
As people said, it's basically the same as solo queue with a slightly politer group of people in terms of how much you're gonna get out of it lol...
If you want to learn mechanics, just play 1v1/2v2 lanes. Much more efficient.
If you want to practice, play scrims with a regular group of people on the same team.
I don't completely agree; sure most of my games have been pretty average, but theres a few games with the higher elo players who've taught me a lot by laning vs. me/giving me advice.
Honestly I would suggest for you to try some ranked games. Yea Raging can get pretty bad but you get to ignore them without consequences. Not saying you should stop doing TL inhouse, but at least mix it up. playing ranked gives you a diverse taste of everything and more importantly gives you experience. The thing about solo que is that even if you get behind in lane by 1 or 2 kills you can still easily come back at lower levels. at TL inhouse, anyone whose 1500 or above will probably be able to roll with advantage and choke you out which I admit will be frustrating at times. Solo Que games also have those moments of frustration where you feel like you can't do anything so maybe that will help you cope a bit.
On a sidenote, I don't like the "balance lanes" solution; I've learned a lot from laning vs. milo, aaerox, etc. because they abuse opportunities.
You're also in a position where small tricks and techniques are more relevant. If a bronze league enters MLG as a competitor, does he have a chance at winning as long as he knows every recent development in the meta?
Hmm, could you make it very clear before the game that you were serious about "I don't want to lane vs. stxz?" Because I just saw that as a non-serious semi-compliment to stxz, instead of an actual request.
In general I think these situations could be avoided if there was just more communication between the teams.
I seriously doubt it would help, because frankly, the community is showing it's face pretty clearly here. You, at least, seem to understand where I'm coming from, as do a few others, but overall, the whole "Just another crybaby noob d-bag" attitude is pretty pathetic.
I'm doing my best to avoid ad homs about the type of person who takes pleasure in those kinds of statement, but I don't see a whole lot of value in spending my somewhat limited leisure time trying to excavate tiny shards of fun from curbstomps, and if the community is a waste of effort, the solo queue makes a whole lot more sense to me.
Especially if the overall community consensus is that you improve at a game by not actually playing because you're dead.
I don't completely agree; sure most of my games have been pretty average, but theres a few games with the higher elo players who've taught me a lot by laning vs. me/giving me advice.
You don't need to play a full 5v5 game to benefit from that sort of advice :\ A 10 minute 1v1 session would yield just as much, if not more...
You won't get better by "practicing" with tryhards that are already way above your level. Just play your own ranked/normal games in solo queue and get a better feel for the game in general. If last hitting is your problem then just go 1v1 a AI in a custom game and practice last hitting by yourself.
Most people will just have too much fun and enjoyment in smashing someone way worse than them so don't even bother until you get better yourself PS: if shitting on someone that's probably sub 1k elo is fun, then stick to beginner coop vs ai please
On a sidenote, I don't like the "balance lanes" solution; I've learned a lot from laning vs. milo, aaerox, etc. because they abuse opportunities.
You're also in a position where small tricks and techniques are more relevant. If a bronze league enters MLG as a competitor, does he have a chance at winning as long as he knows every recent development in the meta?
Hmm, could you make it very clear before the game that you were serious about "I don't want to lane vs. stxz?" Because I just saw that as a non-serious semi-compliment to stxz, instead of an actual request.
In general I think these situations could be avoided if there was just more communication between the teams.
I seriously doubt it would help, because frankly, the community is showing it's face pretty clearly here. You, at least, seem to understand where I'm coming from, as do a few others, but overall, the whole "Just another crybaby noob d-bag" attitude is pretty pathetic.
I'm doing my best to avoid ad homs about the type of person who takes pleasure in those kinds of statement, but I don't see a whole lot of value in spending my somewhat limited leisure time trying to excavate tiny shards of fun from curbstomps, and if the community is a waste of effort, the solo queue makes a whole lot more sense to me.
Especially if the overall community consensus is that you improve at a game by not actually playing because you're dead.
Judging by the popularity of these and people's endorsments I think people are actually enjoying these and learning and maybe you're doing something wrong if you find it a waste of time.
I'm just confused how you can shit talk the community so much with 9k+ posts. Just martyr yourself already.
Jinglehell in my experience playing with you it seems like you don't have the right mentality at all to improve. You claim you want to improve but you always get mad at people when they try to give you critique. Instead of getting defensive and raging at people, maybe you want to learn from the other unranked players who play in these and actually ask questions and learn from your mistakes.
For example, this was what happened after my first game with you (and, god willing, only game), and also the reason why I do not wish to play with or against you in the future in these practice games:
Context: Jinglehell built manamune/CDR boots on varus and went like 0-7, noone really even noticed his build until after the game.
JingleHell joined the room. TechnoMelody joined the room. barackopala joined the room. xFrawr joined the room. kerrDOG2 X17 joined the room. DURRHURRDERP joined the room. Bezelheim joined the room. ticklishmusic joined the room. MCMilo joined the room. SG Bear Barbsq joined the room. MCMilo: what the hell MCMilo: build DURRHURRDERP: ? DURRHURRDERP: i learn from da legend of games MCMilo: manamune ionian brutalizer MCMilo: got to be kidding me JingleHell: don't wana play with noobs, go play ranked, shithead JingleHell: in other words, kiss my ass MCMilo: ? barackopala: .-. DURRHURRDERP: uh ticklishmusic: chillllllllllll a little MCMilo: ???????????????????????? MCMilo: ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/ JingleHell: or approachit hella better barackopala: dude im unranked and even i know how to play an AD carry, just dont try to get those items next time barackopala: please. MCMilo: or understand that just getting normal items MCMilo: is better MCMilo: than that JingleHell: want to offer advice, don't talk shit, offer advice MCMilo: lol. DURRHURRDERP: ok DURRHURRDERP: jinglehell i give u advice MCMilo: there's no such advice needed in my honest opinion barackopala: Well, it seems we got a player to go to bannlist @-@ DURRHURRDERP: dont buy those items DURRHURRDERP: on ad carry ticklishmusic: adc start boots +3 ticklishmusic: then rush ie and beserkers DURRHURRDERP: blitz dont rush FH either DURRHURRDERP: esp when amumu gets it kerrDOG2 X17: yea u need tear kerrDOG2 X17: on blitz DURRHURRDERP: no kerrDOG2 X17: 2k shields JingleHell: manamune was actually suggested for a lot of AD builds last time i played this game regularly DURRHURRDERP: lol ticklishmusic: too gold starved, i said screw it DURRHURRDERP: tear isnt good either TechnoMelody: Shurelias DURRHURRDERP: u could have got like MCMilo: oh man.. DURRHURRDERP: shurelya / zekes etc DURRHURRDERP: since amumu got aegis JingleHell: so yeah, maybe I could spend twelve hours learning the entire current metagame, or I could try to have fun by playing ticklishmusic: usually i do philo>boots>kage>aegis ticklishmusic: yeah ticklishmusic: i wanted glacial for cdr and mana MCMilo: great ticklishmusic: but then i was just so poor so i said screw it MCMilo: now i'm bad guy ggg DURRHURRDERP: jinglehell if you're unsure of what to build why didnt you ask someone on your team DURRHURRDERP: ? DURRHURRDERP: instead of getting defensive when people look at your items after the game and tell you its bad (after the fact) JingleHell: because my team decided to troll me at the start by telling me go AP JingleHell: so why the hell would i ask questions MCMilo: LOL kerrDOG2 X17: rofl MCMilo: WHAT MCMilo: LOL JingleHell: when they mention it was a joke last second kerrDOG2 X17: umad MCMilo: :< JingleHell: ticklish told me that shit during select, milo JingleHell: so yeah JingleHell: would you ask after that? MCMilo: yes... MCMilo: i ask everything i'm not sure of MCMilo: to a person MCMilo: that i know is more knowledgable MCMilo: :/ JingleHell: i wouldn't. bad advice suggests i should just do what i remember from forever ago MCMilo: oh boy.
You could have saved everyone the trouble and simply asked before or during the game what are good items on Varus, but you chose to waste your own time (and everyone else's) by doing a build that is terrible simply out of pride and ego. Also you claimed that someone told you to build AP Varus before the game (obviously a joke) and because of that one comment it was obvious that no one wanted to help you.
Here, Durrhurr, since your name seems to show your reading comprehension skills, let me snip out the actually relevant portion of that chatlog.
DURRHURRDERP: jinglehell if you're unsure of what to build why didnt you ask someone on your team DURRHURRDERP: ? DURRHURRDERP: instead of getting defensive when people look at your items after the game and tell you its bad (after the fact) JingleHell: because my team decided to troll me at the start by telling me go AP JingleHell: so why the hell would i ask questions MCMilo: LOL kerrDOG2 X17: rofl MCMilo: WHAT MCMilo: LOL JingleHell: when they mention it was a joke last second kerrDOG2 X17: umad MCMilo: :< JingleHell: ticklish told me that shit during select, milo JingleHell: so yeah JingleHell: would you ask after that?
When you've mentioned during pre-game and team select that you're basically a fucking noob because you haven't played in forever, if people are going to troll your ass about how to build, yeah, ignoring them makes a lot of sense. Rocket science much?
You're just helping make my point.
And if it's unsolicited advice starting with the words "What the hell" you might just need to work on your technique a little bit. People don't always react well to that.
On July 29 2012 13:17 HazMat wrote: You're not really saying you thought AP varus was serious advice?
I thought either they knew something I didn't, or it was serious trolling. Or did you miss the several dozen times in the past couple of pages where I admit I'm essentially a noob?
On July 29 2012 13:17 HazMat wrote: You're not really saying you thought AP varus was serious advice?
I thought either they knew something I didn't, or it was serious trolling. Or did you miss the several dozen times in the past couple of pages where I admit I'm essentially a noob?
If you want, I wouldn't mind running some 1v1s just for some practise. I need it quite a bit as well, as I've only played support since level 1. Figure that we could look up builds on Solomid, and give them a shot laning against each other while practising mechanics.
EDIT: The plus side to just rolling 1v1, is that whenever either of you concedes, you can just end the game and start fresh without the feeling of getting rolled over and over. It never gets to the point where someone looks at you and you die, because at that point the game is lost, and you just restart to help both of the players improve.
Honestly if you're losing lane so quickly that you can only get 30 cs with no outside intervention you need to take a look at what you're doing wrong. From what I hear, you're losing lane before 5 minutes in a 1v1 without any jungler assistance on either side. That shouldn't happen without the other guy cheesing you. The purpose of the teamhouse is to practice but doesn't help if your fundamentals aren't solid yet.
On July 29 2012 13:17 HazMat wrote: You're not really saying you thought AP varus was serious advice?
I thought either they knew something I didn't, or it was serious trolling. Or did you miss the several dozen times in the past couple of pages where I admit I'm essentially a noob?
If you want, I wouldn't mind running some 1v1s just for some practise. I need it quite a bit as well, as I've only played support since level 1. Figure that we could look up builds on Solomid, and give them a shot laning against each other while practising mechanics.
You can add me under this name if you want. I'm done gaming for tonight, though.
I have a pretty solid idea of how to build Varus now, just got to practice him and see which skill build I prefer overall between damage output, farming, and zoning.
You admit you're a noob but at the same time you refuse to ask questions or take critique from better players. What do you hope to get from these games?
Also it's hard to take you seriously when you post stuff like this earlier:
On July 29 2012 12:18 JingleHell wrote:
Oh, and I'm tired of getting told to "ask for advice". Advice isn't going to help with bad mechanics, which is by far my biggest problem. I last hit for shit, and I overextend a hair trying to last hit. That's shit where you need time practicing it to improve. Not time spent dead.
If you're unsure that AP Varus is a troll build or not, bad mechanics isn't your biggest problem.
JingleHell: so yeah, maybe I could spend twelve hours learning the entire current metagame, or I could try to have fun by playing
That quote bothered me a little. Because if you took the time to look through this thread. You could have easily found Role: AD. All you needed to do was to drop a message in the patch thread and someone probably would have direct you to it within one hour. I mean it takes really about one hour at most to get a general overview of AD. And watching some videos on solomid should give you a decent idea on what to do. I dont think a hour commitment is that bad before jumping yourself into games.
On July 29 2012 13:29 DURRHURRDERP wrote: You admit you're a noob but at the same time you refuse to ask questions or take critique from better players. What do you hope to get from these games?
Also it's hard to take you seriously when you post stuff like this earlier:
Oh, and I'm tired of getting told to "ask for advice". Advice isn't going to help with bad mechanics, which is by far my biggest problem. I last hit for shit, and I overextend a hair trying to last hit. That's shit where you need time practicing it to improve. Not time spent dead.
If you're unsure that AP Varus is a troll build or not, bad mechanics isn't your biggest problem.
Actually, plenty of people (the ones who give advice that doesn't start with the phrase "what the hell") don't think I'm like that at all.
And the ones who don't troll me don't have trouble getting me to ask questions. Sounds like you're just prejudging based off of one case without taking the whole story into account.
actualy both hur and i were in that game (barackopala) and your attitude towards other players hasn't been too polite.
One of your biggest issues when playing is your runes/masteries setup, it's a real mess that doesn't give you any kind of advantage. Your second flaw is related to your CS, keep in mind you're a carry, and to do that, you need $.
Last, regard your attitude towards teammates is not good, not insulting is a must, but communicating is vital to the game, that's why some players may avoid you for practice.
Sometimes the fault isnt on your surroundings but in you, keep your mentality pointing towards getting better, that means you'll have to be on the look for feedback while being patient, answers will not pop out of nowhere.
Jingle, I feel like you can communicate better and need to work on not getting your feelings hurt quite as much. I remember the first time I played with you. I picked a support after you picked Varus. You weren't last hitting in lane at all and basically feeding the enemy team. I asked you multiple things in team chat and you failed to respond. I thought you spoke no english and were trolling the hell out of us. I had no idea you were a relative beginner to the game. Perhaps I didn't handle myself that well, but I don't think you did either. You basically called me an asshole and then were like "want to see me feed" and derp into enemy team. That's just as unjustifiable behavior as people saying dickish things to you.
Basically I think we're all in the wrong a bit but Jingle is also in the wrong a bit as well, and we can all improve our social and gaming skills together to have a good gaming experience. Jingle, I think these games are good for you, because I've definitely seen a definite improvement over the first times I've seen you play. Hope you stick around for more games in the future.
On July 29 2012 13:38 Requizen wrote: LiquidPractice: we know drama.
We couldn't go a month without falling apart? Sad.
woah dont take it that far of an asumption, one player issue due to his narrow mentality doesn't mean it's falling appart, i've met some nice people. It might feel like a nightmare for an unranked player to play against 1600+ but it's a great way to improve when you get feedback.
I wish I had this when I was starting out :3 We had like 1 inhouse and ezpz just shit on kids with bugged Ezreal and then evreyone raged at each other and it fell apart. This has a lot of support behind it so I doubt 1 person will make it fall apart.
On July 29 2012 13:58 HazMat wrote: I wish I had this when I was starting out :3 We had like 1 inhouse and ezpz just shit on kids with bugged Ezreal and then evreyone raged at each other and it fell apart. This has a lot of support behind it so I doubt 1 person will make it fall apart.
I remember getting crushed by Ezpz as Heimerdonger mid.
I've had a great time with LiquidPractice. I don't always do well but the after game debriefing is usually helpful, as the 1800+ players give out advice that I can follow. Most people are manner and the group is fairly active. I'm not sure if I've actually gotten any better but it's definitely been a fun experience. Sad to hear other people not having as good a time with it
On July 29 2012 13:53 ReedTheBest wrote: Jingle, I feel like you can communicate better and need to work on not getting your feelings hurt quite as much. I remember the first time I played with you. I picked a support after you picked Varus. You weren't last hitting in lane at all and basically feeding the enemy team. I asked you multiple things in team chat and you failed to respond. I thought you spoke no english and were trolling the hell out of us. I had no idea you were a relative beginner to the game. Perhaps I didn't handle myself that well, but I don't think you did either. You basically called me an asshole and then were like "want to see me feed" and derp into enemy team. That's just as unjustifiable behavior as people saying dickish things to you.
Basically I think we're all in the wrong a bit but Jingle is also in the wrong a bit as well, and we can all improve our social and gaming skills together to have a good gaming experience. Jingle, I think these games are good for you, because I've definitely seen a definite improvement over the first times I've seen you play. Hope you stick around for more games in the future.
I wasn't paying much attention to chat that game, and I think I may have looked at the box at all the wrong times and basically only seen where you said shit that wasn't exactly conducive to a conversation. If I try to stop and type, it's not going to help my CS much.
And yeah, if people get pissy with me, I'll get pissy back. I just tend to be pragmatic about the demonstration. So yeah, when you called me a feeder, I suggested I could really feed. My temper gets away from me sometimes, but I'm fairly certain that 99% of people in this conversation trying to say they don't have that problem would be laughable.
But yeah, I'm not really used to typing to chat in games. Most games, if I'm trying to communicate, I use some sort of voice chat. Unless my kid is going insane in the background, or not wanting to go to sleep.
On July 29 2012 13:38 Requizen wrote: LiquidPractice: we know drama.
We couldn't go a month without falling apart? Sad.
This is how we operate. We have to accept that people have egos and are going to get hurt. It's a part of the system. We are controlling it the best we can, but we're mainly all young males who don't know each other and have egos of varying sizes. Embrace the fights, we work through them.
On July 29 2012 13:58 HazMat wrote: I wish I had this when I was starting out :3 We had like 1 inhouse and ezpz just shit on kids with bugged Ezreal and then evreyone raged at each other and it fell apart. This has a lot of support behind it so I doubt 1 person will make it fall apart.
I remember getting crushed by Ezpz as Heimerdonger mid.
Was a good learning experience.
Ezpz gave me specific advice on how to last hit/harass/zone with an ADC in a series of 1v1s MF vs Ashe playing both sides and it's basically the only thing I ever needed to learn when playing ADC. God, I miss the old days.
A decent chunk of the inhouses I've played the past few days have been less than fulfilling. I'm not try harding my balls off, but when 1-2 of your teamates are clearly fucking around with stupid shit it gets old reeeeeally fast. Most of you should be able to figure out if it's you or know of whom I speak.
If you want to learn a brand new champ or do some stupid ass build go troll in blind pick normals instead of wasting the time of people who are genuinely looking for decent game/company. It doesn't mean you have to tryhard with your best pick every game or ultra-counter your opponent's picks, but basically throwing the game if you're against a decent lane opponent is insulting to those who genuinely were interested in a good game of sorts.
Nobody has to apologize; people don't have to start playing supr srs all the time, but a little bit of courtesy toward everybody else in this regard would be nice.
On July 29 2012 13:58 HazMat wrote: I wish I had this when I was starting out :3 We had like 1 inhouse and ezpz just shit on kids with bugged Ezreal and then evreyone raged at each other and it fell apart. This has a lot of support behind it so I doubt 1 person will make it fall apart.
I miss the trollhouses where everyone just played to have fun and joke around. Ap nasus, ap trist, ap teynd, ad sion, tank veigar, tank ashe, bear running headlong into 5 all game going "sorrry sorry." you know, the good ol' days when tapioca would tryhard in the trollhouses and still lose.
On July 29 2012 13:58 HazMat wrote: I wish I had this when I was starting out :3 We had like 1 inhouse and ezpz just shit on kids with bugged Ezreal and then evreyone raged at each other and it fell apart. This has a lot of support behind it so I doubt 1 person will make it fall apart.
I miss the trollhouses where everyone just played to have fun and joke around. Ap nasus, ap trist, ap teynd, ad sion, tank veigar, tank ashe, bear running headlong into 5 all game going "sorrry sorry." you know, the good ol' days when tapioca would tryhard in the trollhouses and still lose.
You should have played with us tonight then. The games have been really fun.
Jungle Nasus, Jax with Leviathan/Sword of the Occult/Mejais etc.
On July 29 2012 13:58 HazMat wrote: I wish I had this when I was starting out :3 We had like 1 inhouse and ezpz just shit on kids with bugged Ezreal and then evreyone raged at each other and it fell apart. This has a lot of support behind it so I doubt 1 person will make it fall apart.
I miss the trollhouses where everyone just played to have fun and joke around. Ap nasus, ap trist, ap teynd, ad sion, tank veigar, tank ashe, bear running headlong into 5 all game going "sorrry sorry." you know, the good ol' days when tapioca would tryhard in the trollhouses and still lose.
One of the problems is lack of communication before the game begins. We just hop on the games and don't tell our intentions. It's always "tlnet2///123 need 2 moar" and just waiting for the game begins. I have not seen anyone telling "well guys, I want to get better at AD Carrying, would someone with experience in the bot lane play against me or with me?". (Actually, I heard this just once, from Bezelheim, so I went support with him to give him a hand, but that was when we were making picks and bans already). There's also the fact that sometimes we just cant stop the urge to troll people, like picking Cho against 5HIT so he can't get it or banning Zyra against Wasabi when he wanted to get better with her. Another thing that buggers me a lot is that there's always a member that does not connect to TeamSpeak or simply refuses to do that - one of the reasons that game with 5HIT was so frustrating was the fact that two of our teammates were not in TS, and we got pretty frustrated at some point because we could only communicate decently with 3/5ths of our team. A lot of things could have gone differently if we could just talk with eachother. Another story about that: I was playing Varus one game and I was, I believe, 13/2/x with him. No one was on TS and something that I'm looking to improve is exactly my decision making AFTER laning phase. There was literally no one in my team giving me advice - I only got very good advice on the after game lobby after we LOST the game. stxz and Yango helped me out, but I fear we couldve win if one or two of the more seasoned players in our team like Milo could be with me in TS giving orders or just giving good old advice.
2. Telling someone that he is a dbag does not help ANYONE to step up their game. + Show Spoiler +
Mindset is a part of playing this game as well. A cool-headed team is way better than a hot-blooded one going for their throats, and being more comprehensive with our fellow players goes a long, long way. People complain about 5HIT raging so much, but instead of asking themselves 'why is he acting like that?' or 'Well, maybe that's something he could try to improve and we should help him' they just shrug it off with comments such as we've seen in this thread. Should he try to reduce his rage? Damn right. But people also need to understand why someone is having such a reaction - 5HIT is hot-blooded, but most of his rages have legitimate reason. The same way of thought is valid for JingleHell. I know he's a noob and I also know that he is overly sensitive about the way you approach him with advice. But telling him he is a douchebag does not help him improve at all. Sometimes people just want a little more respect than "what the hell are you doing". With that said, Jingle, having a guy that you're somehow trying to help giving you attitude is, well, rage inducing. Fix that. Be more humble.
I would write a 3. about try-harding and this being a PRACTICE environment, but it's almost 4am here and I need to sleep.
tl;dr 1. People need to say their intentions in the game lobby. 2. People need to use the TS moar. 3. People need to be more patient with one another. 4. 5HIT should continue playing In-Houses while working on his temper. 5. JingleHell needs to play more of the game, not necessarily in the in-houses and be less sensitive when people react about his play. 6. Tapioca losing while try-harding was, indeed, fun. 7. This tl;dr is gigantic.
i 100% agree we need to make our intentions clear if we're going to legitimately practice or if we're going to just trollhouse. like that one game where there were like, 3 of you that went revive teleport or something like that. rofl. i mean, we still got rolled (i still don't even know how. lolol.) and it was pretty good fun, but at the same time, our team was legitimately strategizing and everything going into the game, and once we saw the summoner spells, it just kinda fell apart, and we kinda went with it and did some of our own stupid shit lol. or maybe you guys were treating that as a legitimate strategy (i doubt it) and our team just kinda treated it as troll builds and such. point being, for the most part, if we know we're going into a game for serious practice or serious derping, these situations won't happen.
I think common sense needs to be the key thing here. It's unreasonable to expect people to not try to make optimal plays when the purpose is to learn. However, if you're completely curb-stomping someone, after a certain point there becomes little left to learn. The onus I feel should be on the more experienced player to exercise judgement and determine what that point is as they are more able to understand what is going on.
Communication is very important. Before the game starts, try to establish what the learning objective is. Afterwards, try to go over the game and what lessons can be taken from it. The LoL Chat system is probably not the best venue as it's hard to type long paragraphs about it, although it's good for simple Q&A stuff.
I'll get access to client again in August and I'm fine with dropping in now and then to help out. Might make some of the lanes more even for newer players since I don't have runes yet.
Summoner Name: Aika Kasumi ELO: N/A. (Level 17/18) Preferred Role(s): Bot Lane Schedule: Depends on work
Hrm, it seems alot of the people in here have a real earnest interest in striving to get better. I specialize in the bot lane, 2106 AD carry. I'll see if I can drop in tonight and help give advice to anyone or maybe tell them what they should focus on. Tag is GGod
On July 30 2012 01:01 jcc wrote: Hrm, it seems alot of the people in here have a real earnest interest in striving to get better. I specialize in the bot lane, 2106 AD carry. I'll see if I can drop in tonight and help give advice to anyone or maybe tell them what they should focus on. Tag is GGod
I for one would really appreciate that.
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Also, that triple revive "8v3" game we played......yeah......that was bad.
On July 29 2012 19:31 goldenkrnboi wrote: oh my god i missed so much in the past day. lol.
i 100% agree we need to make our intentions clear if we're going to legitimately practice or if we're going to just trollhouse. like that one game where there were like, 3 of you that went revive teleport or something like that. rofl. i mean, we still got rolled (i still don't even know how. lolol.) and it was pretty good fun, but at the same time, our team was legitimately strategizing and everything going into the game, and once we saw the summoner spells, it just kinda fell apart, and we kinda went with it and did some of our own stupid shit lol. or maybe you guys were treating that as a legitimate strategy (i doubt it) and our team just kinda treated it as troll builds and such. point being, for the most part, if we know we're going into a game for serious practice or serious derping, these situations won't happen.
That triple revive game was because your jungler kept ganking jjonga even though his top lane revive tp soraka was already like 0-6. Then we got pretty big by playing a 4v3 essentially ;P.
Had you just left him at 0-3 or something and just ignored him and pushed down his outer or even inner turrets the game would've been much different.
Also, a lot of people on your team just randomly got caught over and over which led to the end of the game ;P
On July 29 2012 13:58 HazMat wrote: I wish I had this when I was starting out :3 We had like 1 inhouse and ezpz just shit on kids with bugged Ezreal and then evreyone raged at each other and it fell apart. This has a lot of support behind it so I doubt 1 person will make it fall apart.
I miss the trollhouses where everyone just played to have fun and joke around. Ap nasus, ap trist, ap teynd, ad sion, tank veigar, tank ashe, bear running headlong into 5 all game going "sorrry sorry." you know, the good ol' days when tapioca would tryhard in the trollhouses and still lose.
I don't miss those. There were always bitchfests that the losing team would tell the winning team they weren't trolling hard enough, many people weren't actually having that much fun. I have much more fun playing a serious practice game than a trollhouse.
On July 29 2012 13:58 HazMat wrote: I wish I had this when I was starting out :3 We had like 1 inhouse and ezpz just shit on kids with bugged Ezreal and then evreyone raged at each other and it fell apart. This has a lot of support behind it so I doubt 1 person will make it fall apart.
I miss the trollhouses where everyone just played to have fun and joke around. Ap nasus, ap trist, ap teynd, ad sion, tank veigar, tank ashe, bear running headlong into 5 all game going "sorrry sorry." you know, the good ol' days when tapioca would tryhard in the trollhouses and still lose.
We can still have those. Just seperate from the liquidpractice channel so that people don't expect those kind of games in there.
Not as fun without Tapioca going old AP Nidalee and still losing though.
Hi. This is Incka, and some of you may recognize me from some of the practice games that I've played in. Recently, my ranked 5s team has fallen apart due to a variety of reasons (lack of chemistry, lack of practice time, Dungeon Defenders, etc), and as a result Nubpancakes, myself, and our solo-top are looking for people to do serious ranked 5s with. Though Nubpancakes and I are currently sitting at the mid-1400s ELO, I don't really think we belong there, and I think our performances against top players from this practice channel during some of the more try-hard inhouses are a testament to that. I've come here to seek players who are interested, as both Nubpancakes and I have had great fun during the inhouses, and have seen a great number of quality players who are eager to have fun and improve. Therefore, we're looking for a jungler and a mid who's skills are at about a 1600-1800 level, and would be willing to practice with us as 5 about 5 times a week during nighttime. Once we do form a team, I think it'd be nice to scrim against players of the same calibre as us :D
tl;dr -> Looking for a 1600-1800 jungler and mid who would be interested in ranked 5s, contact me through either PM here or add Incka as a friend in LoL. thanks for your time lolol
On July 29 2012 13:58 HazMat wrote: I wish I had this when I was starting out :3 We had like 1 inhouse and ezpz just shit on kids with bugged Ezreal and then evreyone raged at each other and it fell apart. This has a lot of support behind it so I doubt 1 person will make it fall apart.
I miss the trollhouses where everyone just played to have fun and joke around. Ap nasus, ap trist, ap teynd, ad sion, tank veigar, tank ashe, bear running headlong into 5 all game going "sorrry sorry." you know, the good ol' days when tapioca would tryhard in the trollhouses and still lose.
I don't miss those. There were always bitchfests that the losing team would tell the winning team they weren't trolling hard enough, many people weren't actually having that much fun. I have much more fun playing a serious practice game than a trollhouse.
I never played a trollhouse like that. We'd make fun of tapioca for tryharding and losing though, and he'd try to defend himself like "it's tankazar!" (RoA, rylais, banshees, sunfire, and zhonyas ring). Maybe you didn't play with spudparty groups? o.o;
It was good fun, and I just used that time to practice mechanics and joke around with friends. Really good stress reliever.
On July 30 2012 04:53 3 Lions wrote: Hi. This is Incka, and some of you may recognize me from some of the practice games that I've played in. Recently, my ranked 5s team has fallen apart due to a variety of reasons (lack of chemistry, lack of practice time, Dungeon Defenders, etc), and as a result Nubpancakes, myself, and our solo-top are looking for people to do serious ranked 5s with. Though Nubpancakes and I are currently sitting at the mid-1400s ELO, I don't really think we belong there, and I think our performances against top players from this practice channel during some of the more try-hard inhouses are a testament to that. I've come here to seek players who are interested, as both Nubpancakes and I have had great fun during the inhouses, and have seen a great number of quality players who are eager to have fun and improve. Therefore, we're looking for a jungler and a mid who's skills are at about a 1600-1800 level, and would be willing to practice with us as 5 about 5 times a week during nighttime. Once we do form a team, I think it'd be nice to scrim against players of the same calibre as us :D
tl;dr -> Looking for a 1600-1800 jungler and mid who would be interested in ranked 5s, contact me through either PM here or add Incka as a friend in LoL. thanks for your time lolol
On July 30 2012 04:53 3 Lions wrote: Hi. This is Incka, and some of you may recognize me from some of the practice games that I've played in. Recently, my ranked 5s team has fallen apart due to a variety of reasons (lack of chemistry, lack of practice time, Dungeon Defenders, etc), and as a result Nubpancakes, myself, and our solo-top are looking for people to do serious ranked 5s with. Though Nubpancakes and I are currently sitting at the mid-1400s ELO, I don't really think we belong there, and I think our performances against top players from this practice channel during some of the more try-hard inhouses are a testament to that. I've come here to seek players who are interested, as both Nubpancakes and I have had great fun during the inhouses, and have seen a great number of quality players who are eager to have fun and improve. Therefore, we're looking for a jungler and a mid who's skills are at about a 1600-1800 level, and would be willing to practice with us as 5 about 5 times a week during nighttime. Once we do form a team, I think it'd be nice to scrim against players of the same calibre as us :D
tl;dr -> Looking for a 1600-1800 jungler and mid who would be interested in ranked 5s, contact me through either PM here or add Incka as a friend in LoL. thanks for your time lolol
Once you find people and get yourselves established and in a rhythm, TL B can help you guys with scrims and stuffs.
Good lord. I leave for a weekend and I come back to an unbelievable clusterfuck. I dunno people have said all there is to say on the matter since I'm pages behind, so maybe I'll comment on it a little on stream tonight. Also, totally agree with creating moar teamz! DO EET
Thanks to the people who put up with me missing all but one laser in a game and grabbing mid three times while I learned to play lux. I think I've got the Q>DFG>E>R>E combo down and I miss fewer lasers now. Gonna practice her in normal draft/ranked and play support a bit to compensate.
If I'm bored enough I might try my hand at broadcasting as I recently fixed my PC and crashing due to a bad motherboard shouldn't be an issue when taxing it w/ xplit anymore. Granted, with no experience I'll probably suck... but who knows?
Well I think the practice group improved my AD a lot. I'm usually one of the last to die in a teamfight barring some funny teamcomps (dive and kill one person, die to the incoming AoE style games), I carry a lot more from bottom lane and my farming's improved a bit.I'm pretty consistently beating low 1700s in lane now. A lot of it is coming from the fact that I duo with my support but life is good.
Last few ranked games on Ashe/Kog I went:
4/2/13 5/3/6 8/2/9 12/4/9 7/1/2
The biggest improvement for me probably came from watching replays of milo on ashe and watching how he positions in the more even games that we've had. Pretty well worth the time spent in practice.
Jingle know's he's an asshole and is a smartass. But you compound it with these trolls. Wtf? He obviously admitted he's a noob and doesn't know this shit. So to make him better let's be a smartass about his build, stomp him beyond belief, etc.
Let's go get a middle school basketball team to play against the USA Olympic team so they can learn while getting stomped. WTF?
IMO, a lot of you sound like elitist ivy league college kids with trust funds only looking to kiss each other's ass.
DURRHURRDERP: jinglehell if you're unsure of what to build why didnt you ask someone on your team DURRHURRDERP: ? DURRHURRDERP: instead of getting defensive when people look at your items after the game and tell you its bad (after the fact) JingleHell: because my team decided to troll me at the start by telling me go AP JingleHell: so why the hell would i ask questions MCMilo: LOL kerrDOG2 X17: rofl MCMilo: WHAT MCMilo: LOL JingleHell: when they mention it was a joke last second kerrDOG2 X17: umad MCMilo: :< JingleHell: ticklish told me that shit during select, milo JingleHell: so yeah JingleHell: would you ask after that?
On July 29 2012 13:17 HazMat wrote: You're not really saying you thought AP varus was serious advice?
And if he did? This smartass attitude is supposed to ease the situation?
On July 29 2012 13:29 DURRHURRDERP wrote: You admit you're a noob but at the same time you refuse to ask questions or take critique from better players. What do you hope to get from these games?
Also it's hard to take you seriously when you post stuff like this earlier:
Oh, and I'm tired of getting told to "ask for advice". Advice isn't going to help with bad mechanics, which is by far my biggest problem. I last hit for shit, and I overextend a hair trying to last hit. That's shit where you need time practicing it to improve. Not time spent dead.
If you're unsure that AP Varus is a troll build or not, bad mechanics isn't your biggest problem.
No shit sherlock. You expect someone to take advice from better players after better players give him a troll build and he gets critiqued from it. That's not frustrating at all is it.
LoL has a steep learning curve. Being hard on people who want to learn is not helping expand eSPORTS.
On July 31 2012 02:01 jacosajh wrote: You guys are unfuckingbelievable sometimes.
Jingle know's he's an asshole and is a smartass. But you compound it with these trolls. Wtf? He obviously admitted he's a noob and doesn't know this shit. So to make him better let's be a smartass about his build, stomp him beyond belief, etc.
Let's go get a middle school basketball team to play against the USA Olympic team so they can learn while getting stomped. WTF?
IMO, a lot of you sound like elitist ivy league college kids with trust funds only looking to kiss each other's ass.
DURRHURRDERP: jinglehell if you're unsure of what to build why didnt you ask someone on your team DURRHURRDERP: ? DURRHURRDERP: instead of getting defensive when people look at your items after the game and tell you its bad (after the fact) JingleHell: because my team decided to troll me at the start by telling me go AP JingleHell: so why the hell would i ask questions MCMilo: LOL kerrDOG2 X17: rofl MCMilo: WHAT MCMilo: LOL JingleHell: when they mention it was a joke last second kerrDOG2 X17: umad MCMilo: :< JingleHell: ticklish told me that shit during select, milo JingleHell: so yeah JingleHell: would you ask after that?
On July 29 2012 13:29 DURRHURRDERP wrote: You admit you're a noob but at the same time you refuse to ask questions or take critique from better players. What do you hope to get from these games?
Also it's hard to take you seriously when you post stuff like this earlier:
On July 29 2012 12:18 JingleHell wrote:
Oh, and I'm tired of getting told to "ask for advice". Advice isn't going to help with bad mechanics, which is by far my biggest problem. I last hit for shit, and I overextend a hair trying to last hit. That's shit where you need time practicing it to improve. Not time spent dead.
If you're unsure that AP Varus is a troll build or not, bad mechanics isn't your biggest problem.
No shit sherlock. You expect someone to take advice from better players after better players give him a troll build and he gets critiqued from it. That's not frustrating at all is it.
LoL has a steep learning curve. Being hard on people who want to learn is not helping expand eSPORTS.
You're being way too butthurt on a minor issue, if you go into a game at least know the basics, everyone knows varus is an AD carry, playing bottom with a support, AD goes AD on bottom with support, ergo -> Metagame goes that way.
Stop making a witch-hunt, it can go all the way around saying this: -If you want to practice at least know the basics, you won't progress AT ALL if you don't even follow the basics, in order to get better you'll have to play the meta, if you don't know it then ask it, the key to success is knowledge and patience, and none of those two were shown by jingle. If you don't understand jokes then i don't know what you want to do.
You know what's making e-sports not grow? Idiotic mentality following your own beliefs instead of following what's totally efficient, being a narrow minded person, that makes e-sports go wrong, when you think only on yourself to become good.
On July 31 2012 02:01 jacosajh wrote: You guys are unfuckingbelievable sometimes.
Jingle know's he's an asshole and is a smartass. But you compound it with these trolls. Wtf? He obviously admitted he's a noob and doesn't know this shit. So to make him better let's be a smartass about his build, stomp him beyond belief, etc.
Let's go get a middle school basketball team to play against the USA Olympic team so they can learn while getting stomped. WTF?
IMO, a lot of you sound like elitist ivy league college kids with trust funds only looking to kiss each other's ass.
DURRHURRDERP: jinglehell if you're unsure of what to build why didnt you ask someone on your team DURRHURRDERP: ? DURRHURRDERP: instead of getting defensive when people look at your items after the game and tell you its bad (after the fact) JingleHell: because my team decided to troll me at the start by telling me go AP JingleHell: so why the hell would i ask questions MCMilo: LOL kerrDOG2 X17: rofl MCMilo: WHAT MCMilo: LOL JingleHell: when they mention it was a joke last second kerrDOG2 X17: umad MCMilo: :< JingleHell: ticklish told me that shit during select, milo JingleHell: so yeah JingleHell: would you ask after that?
On July 29 2012 13:29 DURRHURRDERP wrote: You admit you're a noob but at the same time you refuse to ask questions or take critique from better players. What do you hope to get from these games?
Also it's hard to take you seriously when you post stuff like this earlier:
On July 29 2012 12:18 JingleHell wrote:
Oh, and I'm tired of getting told to "ask for advice". Advice isn't going to help with bad mechanics, which is by far my biggest problem. I last hit for shit, and I overextend a hair trying to last hit. That's shit where you need time practicing it to improve. Not time spent dead.
If you're unsure that AP Varus is a troll build or not, bad mechanics isn't your biggest problem.
No shit sherlock. You expect someone to take advice from better players after better players give him a troll build and he gets critiqued from it. That's not frustrating at all is it.
LoL has a steep learning curve. Being hard on people who want to learn is not helping expand eSPORTS.
Oh please. What do you expect? You said yourself he knows he's an asshole. Why would he not be treated as such? People give him advice after the game because his build is sub-optimal and he falls back on the argument that "his team was trolling him by telling him to go AP". I've played in plenty of games where someone will jokingly say "go ap trynd!" or something similar because it's completely rediculous. If Jingle really didn't know AP varus was troll, then excuse them for expecting a level 30 to know better.
That's not even the case anyway though, because Jingle said "they tried to troll me with AP varus". The fact that he thinks it's troll means he knows it's not viable. If he knew it wasn't viable i'm sure something along the lines of "no, seriously guys I want to get batter at Varus. What should I build?" would have solicited a more genuine response.
TL LoL is not a toxic community. In fact, most people will help you out to the best of their ability if you're willing to learn. You'll never see a new player get collectively crucified unless they refuse to take criticism and then continue to complain anyway.
jacosajh idk if you read any of the posts before but it doesn't seem like the guy is trying to learn at all. everyone has tried to help him but it seems he isnt even here to improve and just wants a game where people will go easy on him. thats why the last few pages have been people discussing how people should let their intentions known before going into the game. in fact, we all moved on and now you bring random crap up again. please just go back, read, and save yourself the time posting the same stuff/wasting our time answering the same stuff, thanks!
Someone being cynical doesn't necessarily have an affect on their ability to learn. On the contrary, if the same shit had happened to me, I would have been pissed as well.
I have seen Jingle being respectful and learning from more experienced and knowledgeable people because they weren't dbags about it. I can see this self-righteous elitist mentality is going to continue and that's fine. It doesn't affect me any. But really, you should be ashamed of yourselves. That's all.
I wouldn't mind joining in on some in-house practices.
User Name: Swiftounge (NA) ELO: Unranked atm (still have a couple of games before I'll be fully ranked, but will assume it will be around 1000-1100) Role: Support or Jungle Schedule: Just about anytime Sun-Thursday after 8pm est to about 1am est, Friday is so/so but usually after 8pm est to whenever. Saturday from about 1pm est to about 4-5pm est and after midnight to whenever.
There is a reason most coaches in the gaming industry were ex-pro players.
If I could get a pro basketball player to teach me everything he knows, and play against him daily, getting pointers, I'd improve by leaps and bounds. He'd beat me, obviously, he's the pro. That doesn't mean that every loss isn't allowing me to learn and improve. You learn from your mistakes and from your failures. The same can be said for LoL. Complaining that a person is "better than [you]" isn't going to allow you to improve. Looking inward at yourself and listening to the person that's better than you, and learning from them will though.
Just like playing any sport, you have to push your limits to become better. If you're just going to be a complaining little child about it, then you're obviously not up for the challenge of improving yourself, regardless of what you SAY to the contrary.
i dont think they are elitist when my friend miss maddie joined she was getting owned and had never played ranked but even when she wanted to quit they kept encouraging her so she could improve
On July 31 2012 04:00 samthesaluki wrote: i dont think they are elitist when my friend miss maddie joined she was getting owned and had never played ranked but even when she wanted to quit they kept encouraging her so she could improve
Exactly, and this is the case with almost every "newbie" player who plays in LiquidPractice. If you're accepting of criticism, you will be helped.
re: olympics idea
if there's support for it and you want to organize it, go for it. Maybe you can cast it too
For the javelin throw we could have rammus with ghost, powerball, shureliya, and zilean move speed buff running through mid and you have to hit him from max spear range on nid.
On July 31 2012 04:00 samthesaluki wrote: i dont think they are elitist when my friend miss maddie joined she was getting owned and had never played ranked but even when she wanted to quit they kept encouraging her so she could improve
Exactly, and this is the case with almost every "newbie" player who plays in LiquidPractice. If you're accepting of criticism, you will be helped.
re: olympics idea
if there's support for it and you want to organize it, go for it. Maybe you can cast it too
For the javelin throw we could have rammus with ghost, powerball, shureliya, and zilean move speed buff running through mid and you have to hit him from max spear range on nid.
That sounds more like skeet shooting. I'll pick Cait - insta win ;P
On July 31 2012 03:56 BlackPaladin wrote: There is a reason most coaches in the gaming industry were ex-pro players.
If I could get a pro basketball player to teach me everything he knows, and play against him daily, getting pointers, I'd improve by leaps and bounds. He'd beat me, obviously, he's the pro. That doesn't mean that every loss isn't allowing me to learn and improve. You learn from your mistakes and from your failures. The same can be said for LoL. Complaining that a person is "better than [you]" isn't going to allow you to improve. Looking inward at yourself and listening to the person that's better than you, and learning from them will though.
Just like playing any sport, you have to push your limits to become better. If you're just going to be a complaining little child about it, then you're obviously not up for the challenge of improving yourself, regardless of what you SAY to the contrary.
if you're getting curb-stomped all game though, there's a certain point at which you kinda stop getting any benefit from the game. In an extreme case, if you're AD carry and getting smashed by some 2k player, and come mid game you're pissing around with 50cs @ 20 mins, then there's next to nothing you can do. At all.
edit: I think in general, you are correct, but there's also a necessary effort from the pro to adjust to the level of the student if the disparity reaches a certain point.
On July 31 2012 03:56 BlackPaladin wrote: There is a reason most coaches in the gaming industry were ex-pro players.
If I could get a pro basketball player to teach me everything he knows, and play against him daily, getting pointers, I'd improve by leaps and bounds. He'd beat me, obviously, he's the pro. That doesn't mean that every loss isn't allowing me to learn and improve. You learn from your mistakes and from your failures. The same can be said for LoL. Complaining that a person is "better than [you]" isn't going to allow you to improve. Looking inward at yourself and listening to the person that's better than you, and learning from them will though.
Just like playing any sport, you have to push your limits to become better. If you're just going to be a complaining little child about it, then you're obviously not up for the challenge of improving yourself, regardless of what you SAY to the contrary.
if you're getting curb-stomped all game though, there's a certain point at which you kinda stop getting any benefit from the game. In an extreme case, if you're AD carry and getting smashed by some 2k player, and come mid game you're pissing around with 50cs @ 20 mins, then there's next to nothing you can do. At all.
edit: I think in general, you are correct, but there's also a necessary effort from the pro to adjust to the level of the student if the disparity reaches a certain point.
I don't know about you, but when I played sports in elementary, they didn't let us play against high school kids because it would help us learn. That just doesn't make any fucking sense.
"Oh hai 12 year old boy, you want to learn boot-leg fake-ass tiger shulman karate? 1 sec, let me get Anderson Silva." lolwut
In LoL, a 2k elo player going around headhunting some sub-200-game player can't even be considered "learning" because that is a situation they will never be in for an unforeseen amount of time.
On July 31 2012 03:56 BlackPaladin wrote: There is a reason most coaches in the gaming industry were ex-pro players.
If I could get a pro basketball player to teach me everything he knows, and play against him daily, getting pointers, I'd improve by leaps and bounds. He'd beat me, obviously, he's the pro. That doesn't mean that every loss isn't allowing me to learn and improve. You learn from your mistakes and from your failures. The same can be said for LoL. Complaining that a person is "better than [you]" isn't going to allow you to improve. Looking inward at yourself and listening to the person that's better than you, and learning from them will though.
Just like playing any sport, you have to push your limits to become better. If you're just going to be a complaining little child about it, then you're obviously not up for the challenge of improving yourself, regardless of what you SAY to the contrary.
if you're getting curb-stomped all game though, there's a certain point at which you kinda stop getting any benefit from the game. In an extreme case, if you're AD carry and getting smashed by some 2k player, and come mid game you're pissing around with 50cs @ 20 mins, then there's next to nothing you can do. At all.
edit: I think in general, you are correct, but there's also a necessary effort from the pro to adjust to the level of the student if the disparity reaches a certain point.
I don't know about you, but when I played sports in elementary, they didn't let us play against high school kids because it would help us learn. That just doesn't make any fucking sense.
"Oh hai 12 year old boy, you want to learn boot-leg fake-ass tiger shulman karate? 1 sec, let me get Anderson Silva." lolwut
In LoL, a 2k elo player going around headhunting some sub-200-game player can't even be considered "learning" because that is a situation they will never be in for an unforeseen amount of time.
I'm fairly certain everyone in LiquidPractice has the learning capability of a high schooler. Unless people haven't even begun to understand how to use a mouse and keyboard, they're perfectly equipped to learn from experienced players.
On July 31 2012 03:56 BlackPaladin wrote: There is a reason most coaches in the gaming industry were ex-pro players.
If I could get a pro basketball player to teach me everything he knows, and play against him daily, getting pointers, I'd improve by leaps and bounds. He'd beat me, obviously, he's the pro. That doesn't mean that every loss isn't allowing me to learn and improve. You learn from your mistakes and from your failures. The same can be said for LoL. Complaining that a person is "better than [you]" isn't going to allow you to improve. Looking inward at yourself and listening to the person that's better than you, and learning from them will though.
Just like playing any sport, you have to push your limits to become better. If you're just going to be a complaining little child about it, then you're obviously not up for the challenge of improving yourself, regardless of what you SAY to the contrary.
if you're getting curb-stomped all game though, there's a certain point at which you kinda stop getting any benefit from the game. In an extreme case, if you're AD carry and getting smashed by some 2k player, and come mid game you're pissing around with 50cs @ 20 mins, then there's next to nothing you can do. At all.
edit: I think in general, you are correct, but there's also a necessary effort from the pro to adjust to the level of the student if the disparity reaches a certain point.
I don't know about you, but when I played sports in elementary, they didn't let us play against high school kids because it would help us learn. That just doesn't make any fucking sense.
"Oh hai 12 year old boy, you want to learn boot-leg fake-ass tiger shulman karate? 1 sec, let me get Anderson Silva." lolwut
In LoL, a 2k elo player going around headhunting some sub-200-game player can't even be considered "learning" because that is a situation they will never be in for an unforeseen amount of time.
lol? your examples are backwards. im sure someone terrible at martial arts would love to train with anderson silva but he isnt gonna waste his time training a random kid.
also elementary kids are less concerned with learning than they are with having a "fair game," which brings us back to the last few pages where people talk about what they are looking for in these inhouses so PLEASE go back and read them and stop posting the same bs.
On July 31 2012 05:45 jacosajh wrote: I don't know about you, but when I played sports in elementary, they didn't let us play against high school kids because it would help us learn. That just doesn't make any fucking sense.
This analogy doesn't quite make sense. Elementary school kids won't learn from playing against high school kids because they are physically incapable of doing what high school kids are--their ability is beyond their physical limit, so its hard to learn from copying what they do. By contrast, the vast majority of LoL players aren't incapable of performing what's needed to get to 1800+ Elo. The technical skill and decision making exhibited by a 2k Elo player is perfectly reasonable for a 1200 Elo player to study from.
Physically and mentally incapable are the same thing here because they both need to be developed. Muffing the shit out of an elementary school kid ever time he shoots the ball isn't going to help him get there faster.
I never understood why people fucking nitpick at analogies in the dumbest way. It's an analogy. No shit it's not going to be the exact-same-thing, because you know... it's... uh... an analogy. No shit Anderson Silva wouldn't waste his time. But I bet even even if he would, he wouldn't think it's a good idea to beat the shit out of a 12 year old kid in the name of "good training."
You are all fucking kidding yourselves if you think you can pick this game up "easily." Because it's not. At all.
I thought the whole point of this was to help people improve. I don't even see how this could happen when some of the people responding here seem to be so fucking counter-productive towards that goal.
On July 31 2012 06:26 jacosajh wrote: Except he's not even close to 1200 elo.
Physically and mentally incapable are the same thing here because they both need to be developed. Muffing the shit out of an elementary school kid ever time he shoots the ball isn't going to help him get there faster.
I never understood why people fucking nitpick at analogies in the dumbest way. It's an analogy. No shit it's not going to be the exact-same-thing, because you know... it's... uh... an analogy. No shit Anderson Silva wouldn't waste his time. But I bet even even if he would, he wouldn't think it's a good idea to beat the shit out of a 12 year old kid in the name of "good training."
You are all fucking kidding yourselves if you think you can pick this game up "easily." Because it's not. At all.
I thought the whole point of this was to help people improve. I don't even see how this could happen when some of the people responding here seem to be so fucking counter-productive towards that goal.
I don't think arguing this agressively is going to make anyone's opinion of jinglehell change. If anything, you're making the situation worse for him. All you've done is insult people and now you're speaking for jinglehell. Im not sure if you feel that you've been mistreated in liquidpractise, because you come off extremely negative and overly angry over this, calling people in the channel elitists. I have to disagree with you here.
Being a 1200 player I have been stomped repetedly in practise games, but I try to keep a positive attitude and ask my opponant for tips during the game so that I don't continue to make the same mistakes that have been getting me killed many times. Yelling at your opponant to go easy on you won't help at all next time you play versus them. I think jingle gets this and it was just the heat of the moment that caused him to vent.
So yeah, in conclusion, defending him in such an agressive manner after the issue is resolved is not making things any better
On July 31 2012 06:26 jacosajh wrote: Except he's not even close to 1200 elo.
Physically and mentally incapable are the same thing here because they both need to be developed. Muffing the shit out of an elementary school kid ever time he shoots the ball isn't going to help him get there faster.
I never understood why people fucking nitpick at analogies in the dumbest way. It's an analogy. No shit it's not going to be the exact-same-thing, because you know... it's... uh... an analogy. No shit Anderson Silva wouldn't waste his time. But I bet even even if he would, he wouldn't think it's a good idea to beat the shit out of a 12 year old kid in the name of "good training."
You are all fucking kidding yourselves if you think you can pick this game up "easily." Because it's not. At all.
I thought the whole point of this was to help people improve. I don't even see how this could happen when some of the people responding here seem to be so fucking counter-productive towards that goal.
Let me put it this way. A 4 year old has no chance of touching an NBA player; however in LoL the limitation is mostly knowledge based. You don't have to be 6ft to play with a competitive mind set.
Say someone who's really new to this game picks up morg because she's more newb friendly than most, however since he's so new he gets beasted by taric mid.
Lets say the newbies problems are this - Bad skill order (maxing Q first) - Bad item choice - Bad reaction time - Inexperienced with skill shots - Knows nothing about taric
The above player will continue to get trucked constantly Easy quick advice that can let the newbie beat the experienced player ezpz - Pump W up to level 3/4 first to farm and shove taric away while getting a point in shield at 4 and Q at 1 - Start boots 3 pots instead of Dring and get zonyas after 2-3 rings - Do NOT cast shield early unless you plan on flash ulting a team, always wait for the projectile to be in the air before you shield when taric looks like he wants to stun (Alt-E for selfcast can help this problem) - Practice skillshots w/e - Go to league website and look up tarics abilities to see what they do, cd's no biggie at this stage
The above player may still suck in general but now he's better on 1 champion and won't get destroyed by mid taric.
Edit: Some of the harder things about LoL are team fights and objective priority, that just comes with time and a bit of advice.
can we please drop the jingle/things related to the jingle discussion? jeez. next thing you know it'll turn into this thread's version of the gp10 debate.
This bothers me because I have seen too many friends stop playing a game I like to play because of the same mentality you guys are displaying. Nothing more nothing less. I think it's quite acceptable to get frustrated trying to learn this game. God knows I've had my share of shitfits. Having a bunch of fucking morons purposefully trolling/griefing you does not you to calm down.
If the purpose of all this is to "practice" and "improve" I don't quite see how this will be accomplished. So goodluck.
If you're going to be AFK or don't want to play a game, please remember to leave channel so people know how many people are willing to play when they make games.
hey guys, im a 2300 elo player that pretty much has some professional team experience (same team as Sycho Sid in CLG BLACK, called team EZ gaming) and also have 6 smurfs in 2k elo. i play any role well, but ad carry is my best (then mid)
i'd be glad to come to the channel tonight or tomorrow or whenever, and give you guys tips and answer any questions! unless you guys dont want me to.. T n T but yeah! lemme know if you guys want that!
On August 01 2012 05:13 Dark_Luster wrote: hey guys, im a 2300 elo player that pretty much has some professional team experience (same team as Sycho Sid in CLG BLACK, called team EZ gaming) and also have 6 smurfs in 2k elo. i play any role well, but ad carry is my best (then mid)
i'd be glad to come to the channel tonight or tomorrow or whenever, and give you guys tips and answer any questions! unless you guys dont want me to.. T n T but yeah! lemme know if you guys want that!
On August 01 2012 04:39 TheYango wrote: If you're going to be AFK or don't want to play a game, please remember to leave channel so people know how many people are willing to play when they make games.
This is why I keep saying people shouldn't set the channel on autojoin so the people that are in the channel are actually willing to play.
On August 01 2012 04:39 TheYango wrote: If you're going to be AFK or don't want to play a game, please remember to leave channel so people know how many people are willing to play when they make games.
This is why I keep saying people shouldn't set the channel on autojoin so the people that are in the channel are actually willing to play.
Yeah i've been thinking about revising that part of the OP to say "don't autojoin". I originally put it there just to get activity in the channel, but now it has more people than LiquidParty. The only reason I still like having autojoin is because sometimes people might forget that inhouses are going on and not remember to join the channel. With auto join I can load up league client and browse internet or w/e, and then when I hear a bunch of chat sounds I look and see "need 3 more tlnet1 /// 123" and then join the game.
Still haven't decided either way. I agree the afk people are annoying if you're manually right clicking every name and press invite, but most people are just typing "every join tlnet1" in the party chat nowadays (and in that case, auto join is better).
On August 01 2012 07:24 Perplex wrote: Still haven't decided either way. I agree the afk people are annoying if you're manually right clicking every name and press invite, but most people are just typing "every join tlnet1" in the party chat nowadays (and in that case, auto join is better).
At the very least, then, you should set yourself to away, so your name displays as yellow.
It helps to be able to glance at the white names in chat and get a somewhat good estimate of how many people want to play.
On August 01 2012 07:24 Perplex wrote: Still haven't decided either way. I agree the afk people are annoying if you're manually right clicking every name and press invite, but most people are just typing "every join tlnet1" in the party chat nowadays (and in that case, auto join is better).
At the very least, then, you should set yourself to away, so your name displays as yellow.
It helps to be able to glance at the white names in chat and get a somewhat good estimate of how many people want to play.
Does that 'yellow' name display even work? I've seen people in games with their name as white and vice versa....
On July 30 2012 04:53 3 Lions wrote: Hi. This is Incka, and some of you may recognize me from some of the practice games that I've played in. Recently, my ranked 5s team has fallen apart due to a variety of reasons (lack of chemistry, lack of practice time, Dungeon Defenders, etc), and as a result Nubpancakes, myself, and our solo-top are looking for people to do serious ranked 5s with. Though Nubpancakes and I are currently sitting at the mid-1400s ELO, I don't really think we belong there, and I think our performances against top players from this practice channel during some of the more try-hard inhouses are a testament to that. I've come here to seek players who are interested, as both Nubpancakes and I have had great fun during the inhouses, and have seen a great number of quality players who are eager to have fun and improve. Therefore, we're looking for a jungler and a mid who's skills are at about a 1600-1800 level, and would be willing to practice with us as 5 about 5 times a week during nighttime. Once we do form a team, I think it'd be nice to scrim against players of the same calibre as us :D
tl;dr -> Looking for a 1600-1800 jungler and mid who would be interested in ranked 5s, contact me through either PM here or add Incka as a friend in LoL. thanks for your time lolol
Summoner Name: DHK007 ELO: None, just began playing two weeks ago, but competing with most level 30s Preferred Role(s): I work well with Tanks, and range units. Schedule: Mostly everyday Evenings, 5-2am
On July 30 2012 04:53 3 Lions wrote: Hi. This is Incka, and some of you may recognize me from some of the practice games that I've played in. Recently, my ranked 5s team has fallen apart due to a variety of reasons (lack of chemistry, lack of practice time, Dungeon Defenders, etc), and as a result Nubpancakes, myself, and our solo-top are looking for people to do serious ranked 5s with. Though Nubpancakes and I are currently sitting at the mid-1400s ELO, I don't really think we belong there, and I think our performances against top players from this practice channel during some of the more try-hard inhouses are a testament to that. I've come here to seek players who are interested, as both Nubpancakes and I have had great fun during the inhouses, and have seen a great number of quality players who are eager to have fun and improve. Therefore, we're looking for a jungler and a mid who's skills are at about a 1600-1800 level, and would be willing to practice with us as 5 about 5 times a week during nighttime. Once we do form a team, I think it'd be nice to scrim against players of the same calibre as us :D
tl;dr -> Looking for a 1600-1800 jungler and mid who would be interested in ranked 5s, contact me through either PM here or add Incka as a friend in LoL. thanks for your time lolol
On July 30 2012 04:53 3 Lions wrote: Hi. This is Incka, and some of you may recognize me from some of the practice games that I've played in. Recently, my ranked 5s team has fallen apart due to a variety of reasons (lack of chemistry, lack of practice time, Dungeon Defenders, etc), and as a result Nubpancakes, myself, and our solo-top are looking for people to do serious ranked 5s with. Though Nubpancakes and I are currently sitting at the mid-1400s ELO, I don't really think we belong there, and I think our performances against top players from this practice channel during some of the more try-hard inhouses are a testament to that. I've come here to seek players who are interested, as both Nubpancakes and I have had great fun during the inhouses, and have seen a great number of quality players who are eager to have fun and improve. Therefore, we're looking for a jungler and a mid who's skills are at about a 1600-1800 level, and would be willing to practice with us as 5 about 5 times a week during nighttime. Once we do form a team, I think it'd be nice to scrim against players of the same calibre as us :D
tl;dr -> Looking for a 1600-1800 jungler and mid who would be interested in ranked 5s, contact me through either PM here or add Incka as a friend in LoL. thanks for your time lolol
How's the search going? Let's scrim!! xD
sure, are you available at 9 PM EST tomorrow?
Probably not, we have a pretty random schedule + some internet issue, so we'll see. I'll add you and ask if you guys have 5 occasionally I guess
On August 01 2012 17:12 De4ngus wrote: cuz people set the channel to autojoin even though they are told not to.
From OP: "Once you've joined, don't forget to enable autojoin by clicking the gear in the top right of the chat room and checking the box."
I'm so conflicted!
I find there's not a lot of talk in liquidpractice mostly because most people are simply usually in games and then a handful of people afk. It's nothing like LiquidParty.
On July 30 2012 04:53 3 Lions wrote: Hi. This is Incka, and some of you may recognize me from some of the practice games that I've played in. Recently, my ranked 5s team has fallen apart due to a variety of reasons (lack of chemistry, lack of practice time, Dungeon Defenders, etc), and as a result Nubpancakes, myself, and our solo-top are looking for people to do serious ranked 5s with. Though Nubpancakes and I are currently sitting at the mid-1400s ELO, I don't really think we belong there, and I think our performances against top players from this practice channel during some of the more try-hard inhouses are a testament to that. I've come here to seek players who are interested, as both Nubpancakes and I have had great fun during the inhouses, and have seen a great number of quality players who are eager to have fun and improve. Therefore, we're looking for a jungler and a mid who's skills are at about a 1600-1800 level, and would be willing to practice with us as 5 about 5 times a week during nighttime. Once we do form a team, I think it'd be nice to scrim against players of the same calibre as us :D
tl;dr -> Looking for a 1600-1800 jungler and mid who would be interested in ranked 5s, contact me through either PM here or add Incka as a friend in LoL. thanks for your time lolol
How's the search going? Let's scrim!! xD
sure, are you available at 9 PM EST tomorrow?
Probably not, we have a pretty random schedule + some internet issue, so we'll see. I'll add you and ask if you guys have 5 occasionally I guess
I'm on at weird times since my home internet terrors the fuck out of me
On August 01 2012 17:12 De4ngus wrote: cuz people set the channel to autojoin even though they are told not to.
From OP: "Once you've joined, don't forget to enable autojoin by clicking the gear in the top right of the chat room and checking the box."
I'm so conflicted!
I find there's not a lot of talk in liquidpractice mostly because most people are simply usually in games and then a handful of people afk. It's nothing like LiquidParty.
The only reason I still like having autojoin is because sometimes people might forget that inhouses are going on and not remember to join the channel. With auto join I can load up league client and browse internet or w/e, and then when I hear a bunch of chat sounds I look and see "need 3 more tlnet1 /// 123" and then join the game.
Still haven't decided either way. I agree the afk people are annoying if you're manually right clicking every name and press invite, but most people are just typing "every join tlnet1" in the party chat nowadays (and in that case, auto join is better).
Don't disable autojoin. It will kill the channel. Who cares if we afk? This practice group won't die from that like party did because the aim of this group is different. If it does, we make a new channel, nbd.
On August 03 2012 16:31 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Don't disable autojoin. It will kill the channel. Who cares if we afk? This practice group won't die from that like party did because the aim of this group is different. If it does, we make a new channel, nbd.
On August 03 2012 04:12 Navi wrote: Im gonna be on my mate's 1400-1500 acc later today. If ur interested in duo and critique leave msg here with ign na server kthxbai
dunno if you're still doing this, but I'd like some objective criticism of my play. Actually this is kind-of an open invitation to duo with any1 interested in critiquing my play.
note that I'm not actually interested in gaining elo, so I'd rather not duo with somebody who is looking to grind ranked games.
ign: SG Bear Barbsq, i think ~1340ish last I checked.
Galladiator and I are looking to start a ranked 5's team. Ideally 1600-1800 people please! We're both ~1700. PM me if you're interested in joining. We'll play ranked 5's and hopefully scrim other teams of similar skill levels
On August 06 2012 11:50 Perplex wrote: Galladiator and I are looking to start a ranked 5's team. Ideally 1600-1800 people please! We're both ~1700. PM me if you're interested in joining. We'll play ranked 5's and hopefully scrim other teams of similar skill levels
we would be interested in scrimming you, let me know when you've assembled a team
On August 06 2012 11:50 Perplex wrote: Galladiator and I are looking to start a ranked 5's team. Ideally 1600-1800 people please! We're both ~1700. PM me if you're interested in joining. We'll play ranked 5's and hopefully scrim other teams of similar skill levels
we would be interested in scrimming you, let me know when you've assembled a team
Didn't get any interest people already on teams I guess haha
On August 06 2012 11:50 Perplex wrote: Galladiator and I are looking to start a ranked 5's team. Ideally 1600-1800 people please! We're both ~1700. PM me if you're interested in joining. We'll play ranked 5's and hopefully scrim other teams of similar skill levels
I noticed there's some people who have started up regular and semi-regular teams. I'm really interested in playing on one, but I don't think I have the time to organize one myself.
If anyone's looking for another person to be a regular or fill-in on a team that tries to get online all at once and scrim/ranked5s and practice/watch replays/etc, I'd appreciate being part of it. ID: sylverfyre Elo: ~1400ish Preferred roles: Jungle, Top, Support (In order of quality of play) Best champions: (Willing to practice other ones. Particularly willing to pick a speicifc champion and practice them a lot.) Jungle: Shyvana, Skarner Top: Riven, Irelia, Rumble Support: Taric, Soraka, Janna, Alistar Times Online - 6PM-11PM EST weekdays. Inconsistent on weekends, but usually on sunday evening.
Sylverfyre we're looking for one more person for our (non-TL) ranked team. We've already asked Caznode but we haven't tried him out yet; essentially we're just looking for someone who meshes well with our...I guess...'group personality' and has a similar skill level to us.
I'm not sure your time works out though as we're usually on later than that but you're welcome to try a couple games with us and we can see.
Haha, I must say,despite all the drama recently, If you can get the right group of people, inhouses are a blast. We had a group and 6-7 of us in TS (both teams) and hillarity ensued. Managed to root out all the ragers by the second game, which made it even more enjoyable. So ueah, thanks to zabad, iamthatis, and five other people that I can't remember ( It's 6am, my memorie's a little hazy) for being generally awesome. Hope to see you on again tonight :D
On August 09 2012 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Sylverfyre we're looking for one more person for our (non-TL) ranked team. We've already asked Caznode but we haven't tried him out yet; essentially we're just looking for someone who meshes well with our...I guess...'group personality' and has a similar skill level to us.
I'm not sure your time works out though as we're usually on later than that but you're welcome to try a couple games with us and we can see.
Oh, I'd be interested in playing/subbing if you still need a guy. Name: swim224 Elo: ~1300 Roles: Ad, support, top Schedual: 10:30pm est to 5:30am est
On weeknights I want to be done with gaming at like midnight so I can calm down before sleeping, so 11pm is approximately the latest I'm willing to start one. However if you want to analyze replays or w/e after that, I don't mind doing that a little later. What role would you want me playing? I'm willing to focus practice on whatever role you need from me.
On August 09 2012 19:04 swim224 wrote: Haha, I must say,despite all the drama recently, If you can get the right group of people, inhouses are a blast. We had a group and 6-7 of us in TS (both teams) and hillarity ensued. Managed to root out all the ragers by the second game, which made it even more enjoyable. So ueah, thanks to zabad, iamthatis, and five other people that I can't remember ( It's 6am, my memorie's a little hazy) for being generally awesome. Hope to see you on again tonight :D
On August 09 2012 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Sylverfyre we're looking for one more person for our (non-TL) ranked team. We've already asked Caznode but we haven't tried him out yet; essentially we're just looking for someone who meshes well with our...I guess...'group personality' and has a similar skill level to us.
I'm not sure your time works out though as we're usually on later than that but you're welcome to try a couple games with us and we can see.
Oh, I'd be interested in playing/subbing if you still need a guy. Name: swim224 Elo: ~1300 Roles: Ad, support, top Schedual: 10:30pm est to 5:30am est
Don't know if they was the game i fed stzx 10 kills in like 20 min but if it was, sorry lol (even if it led to a pretty enjoyable game (vlad ult+dfg OP LOL)
Also how do you guys know who's talking when? everyone sounds the same to me lol
I'd be interested in joining a team if anyone wants me too, only role I can really play right now is jungle but im trying to learn the other ones ^_^, im fairly relaxed when playing but can get competitive sometimes.
On August 09 2012 19:04 swim224 wrote: Haha, I must say,despite all the drama recently, If you can get the right group of people, inhouses are a blast. We had a group and 6-7 of us in TS (both teams) and hillarity ensued. Managed to root out all the ragers by the second game, which made it even more enjoyable. So ueah, thanks to zabad, iamthatis, and five other people that I can't remember ( It's 6am, my memorie's a little hazy) for being generally awesome. Hope to see you on again tonight :D
On August 09 2012 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Sylverfyre we're looking for one more person for our (non-TL) ranked team. We've already asked Caznode but we haven't tried him out yet; essentially we're just looking for someone who meshes well with our...I guess...'group personality' and has a similar skill level to us.
I'm not sure your time works out though as we're usually on later than that but you're welcome to try a couple games with us and we can see.
Oh, I'd be interested in playing/subbing if you still need a guy. Name: swim224 Elo: ~1300 Roles: Ad, support, top Schedual: 10:30pm est to 5:30am est
Don't know if they was the game i fed stzx 10 kills in like 20 min but if it was, sorry lol (even if it led to a pretty enjoyable game (vlad ult+dfg OP LOL)
Also how do you guys know who's talking when? everyone sounds the same to me lol
I'd be interested in joining a team if anyone wants me too, only role I can really play right now is jungle but im trying to learn the other ones ^_^, im fairly relaxed when playing but can get competitive sometimes.
Omg you were the chogath weren't you? That game was hillarius. And I can't remember names to vocies, which is why I left out 5 names in my origional post lol. Edit: sorry for my terrible spelling, I'm on my phone atm :/
On August 09 2012 19:04 swim224 wrote: Haha, I must say,despite all the drama recently, If you can get the right group of people, inhouses are a blast. We had a group and 6-7 of us in TS (both teams) and hillarity ensued. Managed to root out all the ragers by the second game, which made it even more enjoyable. So ueah, thanks to zabad, iamthatis, and five other people that I can't remember ( It's 6am, my memorie's a little hazy) for being generally awesome. Hope to see you on again tonight :D
On August 09 2012 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Sylverfyre we're looking for one more person for our (non-TL) ranked team. We've already asked Caznode but we haven't tried him out yet; essentially we're just looking for someone who meshes well with our...I guess...'group personality' and has a similar skill level to us.
I'm not sure your time works out though as we're usually on later than that but you're welcome to try a couple games with us and we can see.
Oh, I'd be interested in playing/subbing if you still need a guy. Name: swim224 Elo: ~1300 Roles: Ad, support, top Schedual: 10:30pm est to 5:30am est
Don't know if they was the game i fed stzx 10 kills in like 20 min but if it was, sorry lol (even if it led to a pretty enjoyable game (vlad ult+dfg OP LOL)
Also how do you guys know who's talking when? everyone sounds the same to me lol
I'd be interested in joining a team if anyone wants me too, only role I can really play right now is jungle but im trying to learn the other ones ^_^, im fairly relaxed when playing but can get competitive sometimes.
Omg you were the chogath weren't you? That game was hillarius. And I can't remember names to vocies, which is why I left out 5 names in my origional post lol. Edit: sorry for my terrible spelling, I'm on my phone atm :/
My problem isn't so much names to voices as names to names to names to voices. Some people have a TL name, a LoL name, and a nickname for teamspeak. I somehow have to connect all these names together. I rarely succeed.
On August 09 2012 19:04 swim224 wrote: Haha, I must say,despite all the drama recently, If you can get the right group of people, inhouses are a blast. We had a group and 6-7 of us in TS (both teams) and hillarity ensued. Managed to root out all the ragers by the second game, which made it even more enjoyable. So ueah, thanks to zabad, iamthatis, and five other people that I can't remember ( It's 6am, my memorie's a little hazy) for being generally awesome. Hope to see you on again tonight :D
On August 09 2012 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Sylverfyre we're looking for one more person for our (non-TL) ranked team. We've already asked Caznode but we haven't tried him out yet; essentially we're just looking for someone who meshes well with our...I guess...'group personality' and has a similar skill level to us.
I'm not sure your time works out though as we're usually on later than that but you're welcome to try a couple games with us and we can see.
Oh, I'd be interested in playing/subbing if you still need a guy. Name: swim224 Elo: ~1300 Roles: Ad, support, top Schedual: 10:30pm est to 5:30am est
Don't know if they was the game i fed stzx 10 kills in like 20 min but if it was, sorry lol (even if it led to a pretty enjoyable game (vlad ult+dfg OP LOL)
Also how do you guys know who's talking when? everyone sounds the same to me lol
I'd be interested in joining a team if anyone wants me too, only role I can really play right now is jungle but im trying to learn the other ones ^_^, im fairly relaxed when playing but can get competitive sometimes.
Omg you were the chogath weren't you? That game was hillarius. And I can't remember names to vocies, which is why I left out 5 names in my origional post lol. Edit: sorry for my terrible spelling, I'm on my phone atm :/
My problem isn't so much names to voices as names to names to names to voices. Some people have a TL name, a LoL name, and a nickname for teamspeak. I somehow have to connect all these names together. I rarely succeed.
I think we should add a list of people's teamspeak, TL name, and LoL name and add them to a chart in the OP (if they want to of course) to make it easier for people to remember peoples names.
Well, I'm on most nights and I'd be interested in playing with any of you guys. Usually get on ~10pm mountain time. Name: lChaul , with those being L's. Elo: ~1350, but haven't played many ranked games. I can play most any role, though my mid is limited (don't get mid often enough to play many champs), and I'm not well-suited for the AD mind-set. Most-played champs: Top: Akali, Irelia, Olaf Mid: Morgana, Annie, Ahri Support: Leona, Soraka, Sona Jungle: Mundo, Nocturne, Warwick AD: Ashe, Sivir, Tristana
I'll usually reply within a couple minutes if I'm on, though I tend to have a bad habit of leaving the client running and doing something else.
Ugh. As much as I hate to promote god damn fucking Siigari's stream, TL team playing against some noname players right now, trolling har. It's pretty funny.
On August 11 2012 10:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Ugh. As much as I hate to promote god damn fucking Siigari's stream, TL team playing against some noname players right now, trolling har. It's pretty funny.
On August 11 2012 10:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Ugh. As much as I hate to promote god damn fucking Siigari's stream, TL team playing against some noname players right now, trolling har. It's pretty funny.
On August 11 2012 00:32 Zabad wrote: Hahaha those games were pretty hilarious. Though stzx's vladimir will forever remain a terror in my head from being able to practically one shot me xD
Holy shit, that ult plus q combo rofl. That was amazing. One shotted you iirc XD
On August 11 2012 10:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Ugh. As much as I hate to promote god damn fucking Siigari's stream, TL team playing against some noname players right now, trolling har. It's pretty funny.
On August 13 2012 06:01 Frolossus wrote: so i learned that 4x vamp scepter jax is op
he kept edging me on lifesteal, if i knew how to play vlad i might have won it but i don't think he played jax either
Still a rager?
I actually didn't rage at all, and I rarely do, except in cases of extreme stupidity. I don't know who you are but please don't bring it here, whatever history you and I have.
Hey ieauy sorry for being rude and just leaving when u where giving me advice. I was in a bad mood already and even I get discouraged sometimes. I appreciate the advice though. Sry for being a bad sport
Alright ive been putting this off for a while now. I'm done doing inhouses for a couple of months. I cant take getting my ass completely destroyed each and every game. even my self-esteem isn't limitless. I'm just getting frustrated and getting worse so im sorry but im done for a while. you guys are all really great people and i appreciate all the help. this is a great idea but i dont think its for someone as bad as me. Bye!!
Summoner Name: ApricotHero ELO: Unranked... definintely not good enough... just turned 30 a few games ago... Preferred Role(s): Support, and Riven... so i guess top. Schedule: 8-11pm PST
I'm really quite bad and definitely would love to get better... any help would be appreciated.
Summoner Name: docvoc ELO: N/A - once I learn trist and sivir, I will know half the ADC list and will begin to play ranked and continue to master the ADC preferred role: ADC, its what I am best at and what my runes are good for haha, I soon will be able to play mid with AP runes, basically I can talon mid, and jax top lane, I can also blitz support, soraka support, and nunu support, but those are all kind of weak except blitz. My main role is ADC and I'm ok-ish at it. Schedule: like never LOL, I can get on weekends in the evenings mostly, and maybe a match here or there on easy weeks with school being so hectic as a senior.
Extra note: Cheers, this is awesome, and I'd love to become an awesome ADC :D.
I am hoping to improve my mid lane plays. To this end, I was wondering if any similar-minded (I am probably in 1300-1400 range) players who also wants to improve is interest in playing 1v1's with me as practice. Ideally we can play a few every night (say after 10pm PST).
I am particularly interested in practicing Cassiopeia, Ahri, and Twisted Fate. On the other hand, I own most AP mids (the only "important" ones I am currently missing are Kassadin, Swain, and Zyra) in case you are interested in practicing a particular match up.
Add me to your friend list if interested, it's "Princess Garnet".
On August 21 2012 14:21 Sufficiency wrote: Hi everyone.
I am hoping to improve my mid lane plays. To this end, I was wondering if any similar-minded (I am probably in 1300-1400 range) players who also wants to improve is interest in playing 1v1's with me as practice. Ideally we can play a few every night (say after 10pm PST).
I am particularly interested in practicing Cassiopeia, Ahri, and Twisted Fate. On the other hand, I own most AP mids (the only "important" ones I am currently missing are Kassadin, Swain, and Zyra) in case you are interested in practicing a particular match up.
Add me to your friend list if interested, it's "Princess Garnet".
I'm in pretty much anytime. Let me know whenever you wanna go and who you want me to play. I can play almost all mids to some degree of sufficiency.
On August 21 2012 14:21 Sufficiency wrote: Hi everyone.
I am hoping to improve my mid lane plays. To this end, I was wondering if any similar-minded (I am probably in 1300-1400 range) players who also wants to improve is interest in playing 1v1's with me as practice. Ideally we can play a few every night (say after 10pm PST).
I am particularly interested in practicing Cassiopeia, Ahri, and Twisted Fate. On the other hand, I own most AP mids (the only "important" ones I am currently missing are Kassadin, Swain, and Zyra) in case you are interested in practicing a particular match up.
Add me to your friend list if interested, it's "Princess Garnet".
I'm in pretty much anytime. Let me know whenever you wanna go and who you want me to play. I can play almost all mids to some degree of sufficiency.
On August 21 2012 14:21 Sufficiency wrote: Hi everyone.
I am hoping to improve my mid lane plays. To this end, I was wondering if any similar-minded (I am probably in 1300-1400 range) players who also wants to improve is interest in playing 1v1's with me as practice. Ideally we can play a few every night (say after 10pm PST).
I am particularly interested in practicing Cassiopeia, Ahri, and Twisted Fate. On the other hand, I own most AP mids (the only "important" ones I am currently missing are Kassadin, Swain, and Zyra) in case you are interested in practicing a particular match up.
Add me to your friend list if interested, it's "Princess Garnet".
I'm in pretty much anytime. Let me know whenever you wanna go and who you want me to play. I can play almost all mids to some degree of sufficiency.
it seems like its died down a bit. i think not enough people try making teams or find buddies to play with more often. i have access to a couple of new smurfs atm, can duo at 1700 and maybe 14-1500? if people would like. i dont mind playing with lower either but limited time. i prefer to play with groups that are interested in group 1v1 or 2v2 or 5v5 practice if ppl are interested in practicing differently from just solo q tho.
Summoner Name: Hiicantpk ELO: Currently around 1200 Preferred Role(s): Mid and support are my best, then ADC, then jungle/top Schedule: Weekdays after 6pm EST, Saturday all day, Sundays variable.
Wow, I really wouldn't recommend playing with stxz. Every time he's in my game things go terribly wrong. Went 2-14 vs his fiddles mid (not my fault), and the next day I played with him I had ap runes and masteries, with no smite for jungle shyvanna (his fault again). On the bright side, I'm just overloading his back every time I play with him. He went 8/2 as corki or something. WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH.
On September 07 2012 21:08 Nehsb wrote: Hmm, I'd be interested in 1v1ing you a bit, navi. (Would also be interested in duo queueing)
sure pm me
on a different note.. i'm going to be doing a couple of lessons with a TLer - first of all, to gauge his laning prowess, perhaps a series of 1v1s mid and top (maybe 2v2 if i can get a couple of my friends on as well) and then some discussion on teamfighting etc. for the 1v1s, id welcome other people who want to observe from LP to come in the practice game lobby to watch the 1v1s and my explanations during and after the 1v1s, and i'll be doing the game discussions (for the 1v1s and more theoretical thought processes) on TL teamspeak. i'll also be doing some duo queues, although neither of us can stream so i don't know how that might work out T_T
i may be making a separate thread for more exposure / i might do this in the future with a friend that can stream as well, so any feedback would be great.
On September 10 2012 05:09 Navi wrote: i think ill make a thread for it.
Good guy Navitar. If you can't stream you could try recording it? I don't know your computer spec but if you have a seperate harddrive from the one you're running League on you can record with Fraps without losing any fps.
On September 10 2012 05:20 Navi wrote: the computer is really shitty, i doubt it
I might be able to help you out there, the only issue would be the 3 min. delay... I dunno you can let me know if you're interested; I've done all sorts of streaming/casting for LiquidPractice.
On September 10 2012 05:20 Navi wrote: the computer is really shitty, i doubt it
I might be able to help you out there, the only issue would be the 3 min. delay... I dunno you can let me know if you're interested; I've done all sorts of streaming/casting for LiquidPractice.
If we can get these saved on the twitch.tv archives on your channel i'll add them to the OP
Summoner Name: Haroz ELO: 1250~1350 Preferred Role(s): ADc or Mid but can play any role decently (not good...just decent). Schedule: Random times, mostly at night time (Australian time)
Mostly looking for a duo with someone who's looking to improve game sense, map presence, mechanics and hopefully ELO.
On September 07 2012 21:08 Nehsb wrote: Hmm, I'd be interested in 1v1ing you a bit, navi. (Would also be interested in duo queueing)
sure pm me
on a different note.. i'm going to be doing a couple of lessons with a TLer - first of all, to gauge his laning prowess, perhaps a series of 1v1s mid and top (maybe 2v2 if i can get a couple of my friends on as well) and then some discussion on teamfighting etc. for the 1v1s, id welcome other people who want to observe from LP to come in the practice game lobby to watch the 1v1s and my explanations during and after the 1v1s, and i'll be doing the game discussions (for the 1v1s and more theoretical thought processes) on TL teamspeak. i'll also be doing some duo queues, although neither of us can stream so i don't know how that might work out T_T
i may be making a separate thread for more exposure / i might do this in the future with a friend that can stream as well, so any feedback would be great.
would be interested for some insight from another high elo playa and or duo q. I promise to teach you the secrets of my jungle yi in return.
On September 07 2012 21:08 Nehsb wrote: Hmm, I'd be interested in 1v1ing you a bit, navi. (Would also be interested in duo queueing)
sure pm me
on a different note.. i'm going to be doing a couple of lessons with a TLer - first of all, to gauge his laning prowess, perhaps a series of 1v1s mid and top (maybe 2v2 if i can get a couple of my friends on as well) and then some discussion on teamfighting etc. for the 1v1s, id welcome other people who want to observe from LP to come in the practice game lobby to watch the 1v1s and my explanations during and after the 1v1s, and i'll be doing the game discussions (for the 1v1s and more theoretical thought processes) on TL teamspeak. i'll also be doing some duo queues, although neither of us can stream so i don't know how that might work out T_T
i may be making a separate thread for more exposure / i might do this in the future with a friend that can stream as well, so any feedback would be great.
This would be awesome. I'd really like to just sit in and just listen to tips. I gave up on SC2 and started League. I'm really horrible and really can't seem to get better.
The very first time I joined LiquidParty I got invited to some in house game and got totally wrecked and some of the people made it quite clear they weren't too happy with my performance haha.
Summoner Name: Arekan ELO: N/A (Haven't done any ranked yet) Preferred Role(s): Any atm, don't really have a main role yet Schedule: Past 8pm EST usually, may be on earlier on throughout the day.
I'm in the 1300ish area (top 1390, though potentially better now since practicing more with LiquidPractice people) and I consider my best top Irelia, though I also play well on Nidalee, Jayce, Riven. Free mostly after 6pm EDT. I talk plenty on Skype/TS/Vent/Mumble.
I'm just looking to play ranked, team or not. I play jungle/top > support > AD > Mid, but I occasionally play mid if I can get Ryze or Brand into a good matchup. ~1280 top pre-reset, looking to get higher. I'd like to be on a team, but I really only can get a couple games a night, get on sometime between 8 and 10 PM CST.
Yeah also looking for a 5s team to hit gold since my current team doesn't play very much anymore. Goal is to get gold across all three queues; only have 3s so far.
In any case, if you want to start a 5s team or want me to join up one you've got or whatever you can PM me here or add me ingame. Same name.
Hey guys, really looking for practice partners (not necessarily duo, but open to that also) and/or some higher-level players to give me areas of focus on which to improve.
IGN: UpperB Elo: Currently 1250-1300, but was low 1400s before I moved to a job this summer and tanked my Elo playing tired late nights on crap interwebs. It's been a slow climb back from about 1150. Availability: Most afternoons EDT (4:00-6:30 or so), randomly at night (12:00-2:00 EDT or so)
Play all roles, but top/AD preferred (although I end up playing support/jungle most often in solo q)
On September 15 2012 05:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah also looking for a 5s team to hit gold since my current team doesn't play very much anymore. Goal is to get gold across all three queues; only have 3s so far.
In any case, if you want to start a 5s team or want me to join up one you've got or whatever you can PM me here or add me ingame. Same name.
On September 15 2012 05:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah also looking for a 5s team to hit gold since my current team doesn't play very much anymore. Goal is to get gold across all three queues; only have 3s so far.
In any case, if you want to start a 5s team or want me to join up one you've got or whatever you can PM me here or add me ingame. Same name.
Traitor.
Lol that was almost 2 weeks ago. And why do you think i invited swim and Wasabi?
btw when you guys do inhouses please dont leave in champion select. draft takes a while, and multiple dodges can be offputting. if you think there's a chance you have to leave just dont play, l2obs imoimioimo.
We were stronger in fights - like if the fight played out to its conclusion in a box - but we couldn't kill them quickly and they just disengaged before we could get them. If we go with someone like Jax or Jayce instead of Shen I think the comp would be a lot more responsive.
On September 27 2012 16:17 remedium wrote: @shloober
I think I figured out the problem with our comp.
We were stronger in fights - like if the fight played out to its conclusion in a box - but we couldn't kill them quickly and they just disengaged before we could get them. If we go with someone like Jax or Jayce instead of Shen I think the comp would be a lot more responsive.
My username is the same as the one here. I've played Moba's on and off. When the Season 2 rewards got announced the main thing that perked my interest was War Hero Janna so I'm making a push to hit gold before the final days. (between work and stuff =( ) When S2 first started I did placement matches right off the bad so I started kinda slow and the grind's a bit slow (started this Wednesday and only got up about +100 pts to 1281) I've been camping LiquidPractice for tips (generally just reading what the better players say) and practicing games but if anyone would like to duo to give me a bit of a bump or generally just duo up to gold feel free to add me. I've been playing Mordekaiser mid a lot mainly because it's pretty easy to rise at this ELO with him but I also play top. (I can't seem to make as big of an impact though, never know when the right time is to roam after I start dominating my lane).
Hey, I need one more win on TL 3 GOLD (for 3v3), but we only have three players at the moment and we're rarely (read: not a single time in the last 10 days) on at the same time. Anyone interested in playing to push me over the edge? :D
On October 10 2012 11:53 remedium wrote: Hey, I need one more win on TL 3 GOLD (for 3v3), but we only have three players at the moment and we're rarely (read: not a single time in the last 10 days) on at the same time. Anyone interested in playing to push me over the edge? :D
I will be joining this channel tonight, hope to get some arranged games in :D
Summoner Name: Hooginator ELO: 1100ish Preferred Role(s): mid top and support Schedule: around 6:00 PST most nights and any weekend time where nothing else comes up :D
On October 10 2012 11:53 remedium wrote: Hey, I need one more win on TL 3 GOLD (for 3v3), but we only have three players at the moment and we're rarely (read: not a single time in the last 10 days) on at the same time. Anyone interested in playing to push me over the edge? :D
On October 10 2012 11:53 remedium wrote: Hey, I need one more win on TL 3 GOLD (for 3v3), but we only have three players at the moment and we're rarely (read: not a single time in the last 10 days) on at the same time. Anyone interested in playing to push me over the edge? :D
Hey guys I can do some replay reviews in the next hour or so. Send me a replay and I'll go over it with you over voicechat. I know jungling the most, mid the least, every other role about the same. I'll be in liquidpractice.
didint know where to post so decided to post here. so yea ranking is pretty boring. If there are any 1200-1300 elo supports here or any role actually that wana duo add me. Name is EverDawn, i main adc pretty decent graves/cait. i can also play mid/top/support but not jungle. would be fun finding decent players who know what they r doing. Thanks guys. This is on NA btw
On January 01 2013 13:12 Mazzi wrote: didint know where to post so decided to post here. so yea ranking is pretty boring. If there are any 1200-1300 elo supports here or any role actually that wana duo add me. Name is EverDawn, i main adc pretty decent graves/cait. i can also play mid/top/support but not jungle. would be fun finding decent players who know what they r doing. Thanks guys. This is on NA btw
I happen to be a 1200 eloish support we should play together sometime soon.
Summoner Name: IceHism ELO: No elo yet but high level HoN/Dota player Preferred Role(s): Main: ADC, backups: Support, Jungle Schedule: very random but generally weekends. Friday from 8pm-2am, saturday: almost the whole day depending on schedule, Sunday 5-9, Weekdays: only on break.
Here you go Bly. I play as the caitlyn. I just picked her up, played maybe 4-5 games with her before jumping into ranked. Barring some bad mid game errors I thought I played ok, wasn't sure if I needed last whisper earlier or if BT wasn't enough to cut through warmogs alone. This is 1400~ elo btw. Don't be too mean <3
On January 18 2013 15:27 Nos- wrote: Here you go Bly. I play as the caitlyn. I just picked her up, played maybe 4-5 games with her before jumping into ranked. Barring some bad mid game errors I thought I played ok, wasn't sure if I needed last whisper earlier or if BT wasn't enough to cut through warmogs alone. This is 1400~ elo btw. Don't be too mean <3
- You CS pretty well, and you do a decent job of harassing. But your creep wave is always near their tower but never pushed up. This makes it that your Taric can't stun but may get pulled to their tower. You're also vulnerable to ganks when pushed up so far. When you see your wave pushing, you should try to push really hard so it resets and you can harass them while they're trying to cs under their tower, or just get a free back.
- At around 6min or so you backed when Sivir was back, which is fine, but you didn't push one more wave like you should've so the wave can reset.
- At 18min ish that should've been a double kill for you, you didnt get as many autos off as you could've on sivir and you didn't switch to blitz quickly enough so that there was a couple of seconds where you didn't do any damage. Then trying to ult near their tower was bad, but should be obvious in hindsight.
- Your 2nd death was due to bad positioning at mid. Your 3rd death was from staying too long top after getting tower, you also ult lee sin at melee range, your autos in the time it takes to ult would have done more damage.
- Your 3rd death was bad positioning again, need to always keep like a 500 distance from their melee carries when they're pushing into you, you can go up and try to pick off targets when the fight actually starts but there's no reason they should be able to dive you with a taric/ryze to peel on your team.
- After you guys got drag you pinged your team to back which is the right call in most cases. But you should've seen sivir was bot and nowhere near the fight so it was actually correct to fight with your team. You were cut off for way too long.
- After you guys won the fight near their blue you were indecisive. Should've backed and cleared out top asap as you guys couldn't do baron and couldn't push.
- Should've bought a fort pot instead of wards after you got baron.
- When you saw noct push top, tell your jungler to go top and the rest of your team to be patient and push mid. You guys split, got caught, and died, you were also split. Unfortunate ending. Overall you need to be more cool headed during exchanges and team fights, don't ult when you can auto attack, use your Q more, and orb walk better.
On January 18 2013 15:27 Nos- wrote: Here you go Bly. I play as the caitlyn. I just picked her up, played maybe 4-5 games with her before jumping into ranked. Barring some bad mid game errors I thought I played ok, wasn't sure if I needed last whisper earlier or if BT wasn't enough to cut through warmogs alone. This is 1400~ elo btw. Don't be too mean <3
Kind of random but I was spectating my brothers playing a game and was pleasantly surprised to recognize you playing Ez bot lane. You guys stomped which made me sad but you were playing well bot lane
upload as many as you guys want, but please update your lolreplays so that it records in spectator mode, otherwise i can't rewind and the fast forward is buggy
I am pushing myself to become a better player at this game. I have been playing a lot and watching streams, reading guides, spectating higher level games, etc. Despite my attempts I continue to drop further and further in elo. I have narrowed my champ select and been focusing most on my cs and not dying. I really enjoy jungling so this is a role I have focused most on improving. Would any higher elo junglers be able to critique my replay? It is a short 20 minute game I lost. Also I am now at 900 elo. Thanks!
Looking to get some games together mainly to practice (Im nearly level 30) mainly play Jungle (Yi), support (Leona) or mid (Ryze, Brand) but am also looking at starting ranked when i hit 30. Id say im around the 1200ish elo range (maybe lower) and although im no pro, im not terrible either. I have the basic knowledge of laning, pushing, zoning, warding etc.
More so im looking for new people to play with, since none of my friends play LoL.
Summoner name: iinsomlol
EDIT: I should also point out, i play generally 6pm-11pm AEST most week days, and randomly during the day on weekends.
I'm not gonna filter my thoughts very hard here, don't take it as me insulting you. I'm here to help you improve.
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0:00 - Know what you want to buy or be able to figure it out fast. You should be out of the fountain and covering invade spots as soon as the game starts and so should your whole team.
1:00 - Everyone else is moving around the map, albeit retardedly. It's 30 seconds til minions spawn you are missing crucial times to do invades and cover against invades. There's a blitz on your team! You should invade!
1:40 - Do wolves before blue, it's free and it speeds up your clear speed by a lot.
2:10 - They gave you a smiteless blue and you smited it anyway. You could have used that damage that they put on it to kill it without smite and go straight to red. If you did wolves before you did blue that would let you be level 3 with both buffs when everyone else is level 2.
2:50 - You should be chugging those initial pots to stay high in case of counterjungle or an easy lane kill.
3:18 - Don't double queue pots like that unless you know you 100% have to. If you had kept it smooth and constant you'd be high enough to gank right now and probably force Shen out of lane. It's doubtful that you'd get a kill, but he would at least blow his summoners and that would set you up to circle around and gank again. Putting pressure on lanes as a part of your natural jungle flow is really important.
3:47 - You walked into Shen's vision, let him see you, then went into the bush. Don't let people know you're going to gank then sit and wait.
3:55 - You shoved Shen out of lane and got negligible amounts of damage on him but you stole a full health creep from GP. I prefer not to lane tax unless I forced the other team to miss creeps, but this wasn't bad. You should have just left and let the creep wave push and your potential presence alone would have zoned Shen. If Shen doesn't zone himself you just come back and gank again (this time without letting him see you then walking backwards into the bush).
4:16 - Holy fuck enemy Soraka warded their own tower outside of their bush. Real.
4:58 - Ahri gives up FB 1v1 to Fizz because she doesn't understand mana management or burst estimation. Not your fault, but I think I might have told her I could cover her lane while she heals and gets items, especially vs high burst champs like Fizz who can full combo a squishy. Again, though, not your fault.
5:00 - You had enough for Madreds + boots but instead you bought parts for philo. I think this is a mistake. Especially on someone like Vi who has an autoattack reset and built in steroids you want razors instead.
5:30 - Shen is overextended with low HP and he hasn't bought yet. I think a gank is better than golems here.
5:50 - Don't try for a long-range falcon punch, just walk up and apply red buff. Use Q to gapclose when it's hard to miss. Also holy shit this GP is bad.
6:05 - Now that you know Shen is bluepilling, you should help GP shove the wave to the tower. This is the correct way to lane tax. If you leave the lane now GP might get himself killed by a countergank if enemy Vi is smart and shoving the wave to the tower would give GP a huge advantage over Shen because Shen missed 3 waves of xp and GP shared it with you and still got to buy.
6:42 - You haven't had to use any of the pots you bought. Madreds instead of the sustain items is clearly a better choice .
6:50 - Your bot lane Caitlyn feeds because she's bad. Not your fault, but holy shit this game LOL.
7:08 - Practice using Q. You have yet to hit one all game.
7:15 - Don't counterjungle when your buffs are coming up. Generally, I don't counterjungle unless my escape summoners are up and I have nothing more important to do on my side (blue buff, in this case), and I rarely do it against global ults unless I know they're down. It's a risk/reward thing, you denying one wraith camp at the risk of feeding really easy is not a good trade. Once enemy Vi shows up, you know you can't win a fight with her, though you can bait a Shen ult. Shen ult comes down and you should IMMEDIATELY FLASH OUT and run like hell because if you get hit by anything you're dead. Just let GP freefarm top and disengage.
7:25 - That was dangerously close and they only missed it because they're really bad. Holy shit GP is walking to mid from top to counter the Shen ult. /face
7:55 - I probably wouldn't give any buffs to anyone at this Elo if I was jungling, so good call, but at some point you're gonna have to start sharing .
8:27 - Hmm okay I'm not sure if that's standard but I think I'd probably be going madred's over spirit stone. If someone who mains jungle Vi tells you otherwise sure but personally I would go for madred's. It's not like you have sustain issues. 4 pots is kind of overkill, probably a ward would be much better.
8:41 - Use this time to take stock of the situation. All of your lanes are losing because they're bad. GP's lane has the most promise, especially because Shen can't ult himself. You should camp top.
8:57 - Your smite was up and the entire red side of your jungle was up. You should have went straight to red, or at the very least, not smited the big wraith so you could have some buff control in case it somehow got contested (and because it's just faster). Oh. GP just walked from top lane down between their mid inner towers and fed. Cool.
9:20 - At least they're letting Ahri freefarm and take tower.
9:40 - She doesn't. (Meanwhile, in top, you were doing the right thing covering the tower, but you ulted too early and missed another Q so no kill and you lost that entire giant wave of CS that you could have went for instead.)
10:11 - You micro your champ too much, it's slowing you down when you last hit. I'd suggest not trying to be mechanically professional at the game until you have a stronger general sense of gameflow.
10:20 - Ahri ults in and flashes out in mid, almost killing herself with no effort on Fizz's part. Their Vi has DC'd, which is a good thing for the other team, because now she can't feed you. It would be a good idea to ward things.
10:40 - Instead of going for a max range falcon punch, you should probably just take the free CS/xp in lane. Especially against a Fizz who can probably just turn around and kill you.
10:45 - Okay, when you cover a lane for someone and their lane partner is still in the lane, don't indiscriminately shove that giant wave of CS/xp at your teammate's lane opponent. That gives Fizz a bigger advantage than the one he already has. Just last hit with auto attacks and do your best not to push the wave while zoning out Fizz. If you trade damage with Fizz it's fine (as long as you don't overextend or get killed) because now Ahri's coming back and you're gonna base anyway.
11:00 - The game is totally lost at this point, based on what I have seen of your team and the enemy's composition. Even with a DC'd jungler, you guys have no way to deal with Fizz and Ezreal is huge. Vi also just reconnected or something and now has a Brutalizer, which means she's putting out more damage than you after sitting in the spawn for 5 minutes to farm.
11:15 - Holy shit, nobody but Fizz has any idea what is going on with items. Ezreal has a bloodthirster and no boots, which might be bad because your bot lane is garbage and they will probably get wrecked.
11:35 - Fizz kills himself along with Ahri for no reason. Hey! Your team got a kill! (Meanwhile, in bot lane, you deny your team 2 whole waves of CS and put them out of position instead of calmly last hitting to hold them near a tower where blitz could like, hit a hook on no boots ezreal and ruby sightstone raka... or maybe you could just gank as they're pushed up to your side of the map!)
11:55 - This is a bad time to invade. You should stop invading until you learn how to ward.
12:09 - Luckily, their entire team is horrible and you steal a red buff for free LOL.
12:25 - Think about what your opponents' goals in lane are! They want to zone your team and deny them xp and cs! Don't help them! That was like so perfect for Fizz. If you were his jungler, he'd be really happy that you did that. You stole some CS and stopped the wave from pushing into tower range so it kind of just massed up in front of Fizz for him to happily freefarm and zone Ahri more.
12:37 - Holy shit, the only ward in the game allows enemy Soraka to land her first improved CV lol. Gank's not gonna work, abort.
13:00 - What.
13:11 - Don't do extremely risky things after you just did something extremely risky and gained from it. You have to cash out or they'll just get it right back.
13:32 - Okay, you just did two incredibly risky things and got away with it. Now you're gonna try to solo the most fed champ in the game after you just gained a kill and their blue buff. The risk/reward on that is really bad.
13:40 - You should pick an easier jungler, Vi's Q is hard to use. Try Nocturne, Xin, or Lee Sin. They do similar things but they're much easier to play and stronger.
14:04 - Your Gangplank is braindead, but that's no different from anyone else in this game.
14:34 - You should have covered top instead of going to your blue buff.
14:53 - Soraka CV's baron to see if you're soloing it when it spawns in 7 seconds. Real.
15:51 - You push the creepwave just right so that it owns Ahri yet again.
16:00 - Four minutes til surrender.
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There's nothing left to analyze, the enemy team has snowballed too hard. This is the best way to win a noob game, just let the other team keep owning themselves and don't change anything until they do. If they keep feeding in lane when their outer towers are up just leave them up and let them keep owning themselves.
I would suggest that you learn a much easier jungler with better ganks. Learning to gank would help. It's great that you can pve without dying to jungle minions for 20 mintues but that's not the hard part about jungling. Get someone who has strong ganks and just own face because everyone at this elo is bad.
I didn't watch the replay, so I can't say I really disagree with anything, except for this part:
On January 22 2013 14:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: 10:11 - You micro your champ too much, it's slowing you down when you last hit. I'd suggest not trying to be mechanically professional at the game until you have a stronger general sense of gameflow.
that is generally a very bad piece of advice. You see, the thing is, the general sense of gameflow depends upon your mechanics, and with imperfect mechanics you get imperfect sense of the game. For example, because you can't move and autoattack at the same time properly, you might think that you have to play defensive as Jax vs. Irelia in lane all game; but that is wrong, it's just your mechanics tricked you into thinking the wrong thing. If it were at all a decision one could make, improving mechanics before improving gamesense would be the optimal choice.
8:27 - Hmm okay I'm not sure if that's standard but I think I'd probably be going madred's over spirit stone. If someone who mains jungle Vi tells you otherwise sure but personally I would go for madred's. It's not like you have sustain issues. 4 pots is kind of overkill, probably a ward would be much better.
Vi doesn't need either Madred's or Spirit Stone to jungle. You're better off ignoring both and rushing Stinger or Brutalizer. If you do upgrade, Spirit Stone is better because Vi makes much better use of its upgrades outside of the jungle than she does Wriggle's.
On January 22 2013 14:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I would suggest that you learn a much easier jungler with better ganks. Learning to gank would help. It's great that you can pve without dying to jungle minions for 20 mintues but that's not the hard part about jungling. Get someone who has strong ganks and just own face because everyone at this elo is bad.
5HIT has good advice here. You should try a jungler with simpler, stronger ganks to help you learn the ropes. Vi isn't a bad jungler, or even a bad ganker, but if you're shaky on your ganks it's going to be hard to succeed with her.
On January 22 2013 14:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: 10:11 - You micro your champ too much, it's slowing you down when you last hit. I'd suggest not trying to be mechanically professional at the game until you have a stronger general sense of gameflow.
that is generally a very bad piece of advice. You see, the thing is, the general sense of gameflow depends upon your mechanics, and with imperfect mechanics you get imperfect sense of the game. For example, because you can't move and autoattack at the same time properly, you might think that you have to play defensive as Jax vs. Irelia in lane all game; but that is wrong, it's just your mechanics tricked you into thinking the wrong thing. If it were at all a decision one could make, improving mechanics before improving gamesense would be the optimal choice.
Well, watch the replay and tell me he didn't slow down his jungle time by trying (key word here) to autoattack cancel. I guess better advice would be to learn how to do it correctly. I think you're correct in saying that mechanics and game sense are dependent on each other, because they both develop at the same time. I don't think it's possible to gain one without at least becoming aware of the other. I mean, maybe you could be a mechanical god and still not know what to do as far as objectives go, and maybe you could have a perfect idea of objectives and transitions and positioning and builds (etc.) but for the most part, they're pretty interrelated.
I still think mechanics is very easy to develop relative to game sense and that's why I suggested he stop focusing on the small things and work on the bigger issue of "I don't really understand when/why/how to gank."
Also FWIW at one point I understood gameflow impeccably but had horrendous mechanics so I don't necessarily think that gameflow is dependent upon mechanics, but like I said earlier, more that they develop together.
A lot of direct commands he's asking you to do like "Buy the razors instead!!" or "Camp this dude!!" or "Invade!!" is just him being mega cute (i lub u). I think it's easier just playing the game either with randoms or friends (doesn't matter) and just focus on yourself and thinking of options and finding the pros and cons of everything to find your own way of doing things (not too much though this takes time!).
Mechanics aren't something to really focus on imo because as you gradually get better (or your elo inflates higher) you will go against "better" players and these simple mechanics will naturally follow to whatever level you need it to be. And if you really care about mechanics ask da pros (1v1 5hit for da lelz) and someone will help you.
On January 22 2013 14:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: DON'T BE OFFENDED, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T LIKE YOU
I'm not gonna filter my thoughts very hard here, don't take it as me insulting you. I'm here to help you improve.
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0:00 - Know what you want to buy or be able to figure it out fast. You should be out of the fountain and covering invade spots as soon as the game starts and so should your whole team.
1:00 - Everyone else is moving around the map, albeit retardedly. It's 30 seconds til minions spawn you are missing crucial times to do invades and cover against invades. There's a blitz on your team! You should invade!
1:40 - Do wolves before blue, it's free and it speeds up your clear speed by a lot.
2:10 - They gave you a smiteless blue and you smited it anyway. You could have used that damage that they put on it to kill it without smite and go straight to red. If you did wolves before you did blue that would let you be level 3 with both buffs when everyone else is level 2.
2:50 - You should be chugging those initial pots to stay high in case of counterjungle or an easy lane kill.
3:18 - Don't double queue pots like that unless you know you 100% have to. If you had kept it smooth and constant you'd be high enough to gank right now and probably force Shen out of lane. It's doubtful that you'd get a kill, but he would at least blow his summoners and that would set you up to circle around and gank again. Putting pressure on lanes as a part of your natural jungle flow is really important.
3:47 - You walked into Shen's vision, let him see you, then went into the bush. Don't let people know you're going to gank then sit and wait.
3:55 - You shoved Shen out of lane and got negligible amounts of damage on him but you stole a full health creep from GP. I prefer not to lane tax unless I forced the other team to miss creeps, but this wasn't bad. You should have just left and let the creep wave push and your potential presence alone would have zoned Shen. If Shen doesn't zone himself you just come back and gank again (this time without letting him see you then walking backwards into the bush).
4:16 - Holy fuck enemy Soraka warded their own tower outside of their bush. Real.
4:58 - Ahri gives up FB 1v1 to Fizz because she doesn't understand mana management or burst estimation. Not your fault, but I think I might have told her I could cover her lane while she heals and gets items, especially vs high burst champs like Fizz who can full combo a squishy. Again, though, not your fault.
5:00 - You had enough for Madreds + boots but instead you bought parts for philo. I think this is a mistake. Especially on someone like Vi who has an autoattack reset and built in steroids you want razors instead.
5:30 - Shen is overextended with low HP and he hasn't bought yet. I think a gank is better than golems here.
5:50 - Don't try for a long-range falcon punch, just walk up and apply red buff. Use Q to gapclose when it's hard to miss. Also holy shit this GP is bad.
6:05 - Now that you know Shen is bluepilling, you should help GP shove the wave to the tower. This is the correct way to lane tax. If you leave the lane now GP might get himself killed by a countergank if enemy Vi is smart and shoving the wave to the tower would give GP a huge advantage over Shen because Shen missed 3 waves of xp and GP shared it with you and still got to buy.
6:42 - You haven't had to use any of the pots you bought. Madreds instead of the sustain items is clearly a better choice .
6:50 - Your bot lane Caitlyn feeds because she's bad. Not your fault, but holy shit this game LOL.
7:08 - Practice using Q. You have yet to hit one all game.
7:15 - Don't counterjungle when your buffs are coming up. Generally, I don't counterjungle unless my escape summoners are up and I have nothing more important to do on my side (blue buff, in this case), and I rarely do it against global ults unless I know they're down. It's a risk/reward thing, you denying one wraith camp at the risk of feeding really easy is not a good trade. Once enemy Vi shows up, you know you can't win a fight with her, though you can bait a Shen ult. Shen ult comes down and you should IMMEDIATELY FLASH OUT and run like hell because if you get hit by anything you're dead. Just let GP freefarm top and disengage.
7:25 - That was dangerously close and they only missed it because they're really bad. Holy shit GP is walking to mid from top to counter the Shen ult. /face
7:55 - I probably wouldn't give any buffs to anyone at this Elo if I was jungling, so good call, but at some point you're gonna have to start sharing .
8:27 - Hmm okay I'm not sure if that's standard but I think I'd probably be going madred's over spirit stone. If someone who mains jungle Vi tells you otherwise sure but personally I would go for madred's. It's not like you have sustain issues. 4 pots is kind of overkill, probably a ward would be much better.
8:41 - Use this time to take stock of the situation. All of your lanes are losing because they're bad. GP's lane has the most promise, especially because Shen can't ult himself. You should camp top.
8:57 - Your smite was up and the entire red side of your jungle was up. You should have went straight to red, or at the very least, not smited the big wraith so you could have some buff control in case it somehow got contested (and because it's just faster). Oh. GP just walked from top lane down between their mid inner towers and fed. Cool.
9:20 - At least they're letting Ahri freefarm and take tower.
9:40 - She doesn't. (Meanwhile, in top, you were doing the right thing covering the tower, but you ulted too early and missed another Q so no kill and you lost that entire giant wave of CS that you could have went for instead.)
10:11 - You micro your champ too much, it's slowing you down when you last hit. I'd suggest not trying to be mechanically professional at the game until you have a stronger general sense of gameflow.
10:20 - Ahri ults in and flashes out in mid, almost killing herself with no effort on Fizz's part. Their Vi has DC'd, which is a good thing for the other team, because now she can't feed you. It would be a good idea to ward things.
10:40 - Instead of going for a max range falcon punch, you should probably just take the free CS/xp in lane. Especially against a Fizz who can probably just turn around and kill you.
10:45 - Okay, when you cover a lane for someone and their lane partner is still in the lane, don't indiscriminately shove that giant wave of CS/xp at your teammate's lane opponent. That gives Fizz a bigger advantage than the one he already has. Just last hit with auto attacks and do your best not to push the wave while zoning out Fizz. If you trade damage with Fizz it's fine (as long as you don't overextend or get killed) because now Ahri's coming back and you're gonna base anyway.
11:00 - The game is totally lost at this point, based on what I have seen of your team and the enemy's composition. Even with a DC'd jungler, you guys have no way to deal with Fizz and Ezreal is huge. Vi also just reconnected or something and now has a Brutalizer, which means she's putting out more damage than you after sitting in the spawn for 5 minutes to farm.
11:15 - Holy shit, nobody but Fizz has any idea what is going on with items. Ezreal has a bloodthirster and no boots, which might be bad because your bot lane is garbage and they will probably get wrecked.
11:35 - Fizz kills himself along with Ahri for no reason. Hey! Your team got a kill! (Meanwhile, in bot lane, you deny your team 2 whole waves of CS and put them out of position instead of calmly last hitting to hold them near a tower where blitz could like, hit a hook on no boots ezreal and ruby sightstone raka... or maybe you could just gank as they're pushed up to your side of the map!)
11:55 - This is a bad time to invade. You should stop invading until you learn how to ward.
12:09 - Luckily, their entire team is horrible and you steal a red buff for free LOL.
12:25 - Think about what your opponents' goals in lane are! They want to zone your team and deny them xp and cs! Don't help them! That was like so perfect for Fizz. If you were his jungler, he'd be really happy that you did that. You stole some CS and stopped the wave from pushing into tower range so it kind of just massed up in front of Fizz for him to happily freefarm and zone Ahri more.
12:37 - Holy shit, the only ward in the game allows enemy Soraka to land her first improved CV lol. Gank's not gonna work, abort.
13:00 - What.
13:11 - Don't do extremely risky things after you just did something extremely risky and gained from it. You have to cash out or they'll just get it right back.
13:32 - Okay, you just did two incredibly risky things and got away with it. Now you're gonna try to solo the most fed champ in the game after you just gained a kill and their blue buff. The risk/reward on that is really bad.
13:40 - You should pick an easier jungler, Vi's Q is hard to use. Try Nocturne, Xin, or Lee Sin. They do similar things but they're much easier to play and stronger.
14:04 - Your Gangplank is braindead, but that's no different from anyone else in this game.
14:34 - You should have covered top instead of going to your blue buff.
14:53 - Soraka CV's baron to see if you're soloing it when it spawns in 7 seconds. Real.
15:51 - You push the creepwave just right so that it owns Ahri yet again.
16:00 - Four minutes til surrender.
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There's nothing left to analyze, the enemy team has snowballed too hard. This is the best way to win a noob game, just let the other team keep owning themselves and don't change anything until they do. If they keep feeding in lane when their outer towers are up just leave them up and let them keep owning themselves.
I would suggest that you learn a much easier jungler with better ganks. Learning to gank would help. It's great that you can pve without dying to jungle minions for 20 mintues but that's not the hard part about jungling. Get someone who has strong ganks and just own face because everyone at this elo is bad.
Thanks a ton! I appreciate the time you took to analyze my game. I know I am not that good of a player but as I said I am looking to improve. I take no offense to your take on the game and actually I am happy that you picked it apart. Going forward I will try not to push all my allies lanes. I dont usually do this as much if my allies are winning their lanes but seeing as they were losing I though I could make better use of the cs. I will also try to spend more time in the jungle and ganking instead of wasting time aimlessly walking or at base purchasing. Thanks again for your help.
For sure. Let me know if you want any more replays analyzed, if I have time I'll definitely take a look. Sorry again if it came off a little blunt, I was just in critic mode and typing out the post as fast as I could get it down heh heh.
One thing that I did when I was learning to jungle (and I'm certainly still learning) is to take a few games and make your #1 priority to be at every buff camp when it spawns. It gets to be second nature, you think "6:30, better get back to my blue in 30 seconds" without even having to think about it. Red is a little harder, but fits in the same pattern as the first time. Do it up until 20 minutes or so as long as it's safe to be in your jungle, and ignore laners crying for ganks if it doesn't fit into your buff timings.
When you don't have this ingrained in your head it's easy to get sidetracked ganking, holding lanes, etc. As you face better players, if you're on blue side and holding bot at 7:00, I'm going straight for your blue to take it. As you get these timings and the importance down in your head, you can be the one who takes advantage of your opponent. If you know it's time for a round of buffs and he's dead or on the minimap, you can get ahead and put him behind.
Eventually you start to realize when it's worth it to do something else (countergank, take a sure-kill gank even if it means giving up your red, etc.), but I don't think you can make those decisions until you're thinking about it all the time. It also gives some structure to jungling, which is important since you have so many more options than you do laning.
A replay of a normal game I had against a blitz lane as Caitlyn. When I play ranked I always ask for blitz to be banned, and fp usually complies but I do this because I am terrible at laning against blitz. Avoiding the problem isn't gonna fix it, and I'd like some tips or general guide lines on the matter.
My thought process throughout the laning phase was "bait the hook, dodge it, and then counter initiate/trade". Unfortunately that didn't work out so well, so maybe I shouldn't bait hooks and just play more defensive?
i'm on the bus right now so i cant watch, but caitlyn has the range such that she doesn't need to bait hooks at all. with a support that can battle vs blitzcrank (like ex. taric) she can just maintain total bush control with traps + taric and take a free potshot at blitz whenever he leaves (assuming you are already suppressing the enemy adc with auto to punish their cs etc etc so that they aren't in a position to all in you at full hp with both). after its clear that you have total bush control, any attempt that they make to leave the safety of their bushes / sides should be seen as an all in or an assist to a gank if you haven't already warded gank paths, so the lane becomes a very straightforward matter of being able to deal with either. otherwise you should cs and pwn him.
best thing about cait vs blitz is that if you spread your traps well, blitz will have to walk through creeps to attempt to get to you (tip of bush, next to bush and the creepwave, 1 more at your discretion) which makes it a royal pain in the ass to hook or attempt any plays.
the biggest factor in that lane, as you might imagine, is whether or not the enemy is blue side (can they all-in you with a fast level 2 and then maintain control regardless of whether or not you get all in'd because of the threat) and your support (if too squishy even more vulnerable to all in fights so need to plan around).
I know there is already someone asking to get their replay analyzed, so sorry if I am asking for this in an inconvenient time. I am a Jungle main that is stuck at 1700-1800 elo bracket for about one month, and I would love if someone could assist me in telling me what aspects I can improve on to be a better player. I'm not sure how to explain this, but I feel a large inconsistency in myself in every game. Some games, it will feel extremely fluid and natural to me, and my ganks are highly successful. In other games, I feel sloppy and clunky and unable to completely grasp what that inconsistency is that is preventing me from making every game I go into as fluid and as completely natural as some games are for me.
I also came from a highly mechanical background, I used to be grandmaster in SC2 in season 2 and season 3. Disregarding my rank, the method I used to improve in SC was to grind out games HARD to improve and perfect my build and mechanics. I would watch my replays to see what times I'm behind in workers or making too big of an army (I played Zerg). This process of analyzing a replay felt extremely easy and straightforward to make someone a better player. However, in LoL, I can't fully understand how I can effectively utilize replays in order to make myself better. All the many variables in the game makes learning from replays for me much harder.
With all that out of the way, would anyone be willing to analyze one of my replays? Here is my link to my latest game : http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/2737896/ I feel like this rep is good for analyzing purposes because I feel if I were to play better, I could have carried the game. (I usually start wolves -> Blue, but I thought an invade was coming so I was a bit late. I should have been paying attention and went to wolves straight away as soon as I saw them with only three and backing off.)
It would also be a bonus if someone could maybe enlighten me on how to effectively analyze my own replays so in the future I can do this myself and not be too bothersome asking around for help ^^
On January 29 2013 16:27 Navi wrote: i'm on the bus right now so i cant watch, but caitlyn has the range such that she doesn't need to bait hooks at all. with a support that can battle vs blitzcrank (like ex. taric) she can just maintain total bush control with traps + taric and take a free potshot at blitz whenever he leaves (assuming you are already suppressing the enemy adc with auto to punish their cs etc etc so that they aren't in a position to all in you at full hp with both). after its clear that you have total bush control, any attempt that they make to leave the safety of their bushes / sides should be seen as an all in or an assist to a gank if you haven't already warded gank paths, so the lane becomes a very straightforward matter of being able to deal with either. otherwise you should cs and pwn him.
best thing about cait vs blitz is that if you spread your traps well, blitz will have to walk through creeps to attempt to get to you (tip of bush, next to bush and the creepwave, 1 more at your discretion) which makes it a royal pain in the ass to hook or attempt any plays.
the biggest factor in that lane, as you might imagine, is whether or not the enemy is blue side (can they all-in you with a fast level 2 and then maintain control regardless of whether or not you get all in'd because of the threat) and your support (if too squishy even more vulnerable to all in fights so need to plan around).
Hmm ok I do think I need to be more considerate of my trap placements and be more mindful of harrassing the enemy ad more in lane. I'll keep these things in mind.
On January 29 2013 15:13 Nos- wrote: A replay of a normal game I had against a blitz lane as Caitlyn. When I play ranked I always ask for blitz to be banned, and fp usually complies but I do this because I am terrible at laning against blitz. Avoiding the problem isn't gonna fix it, and I'd like some tips or general guide lines on the matter.
My thought process throughout the laning phase was "bait the hook, dodge it, and then counter initiate/trade". Unfortunately that didn't work out so well, so maybe I shouldn't bait hooks and just play more defensive?
I'm going to do my best to only focus on your play.
0:50 - First signs of life from you. Your Tryndamere has moved, but he's still in the fountain with no items. This is both really bad and really easy to correct. Just don't afk during load screen, especially against a Blitz. You're missing out on pre-creep lv 1 invades and you're making sure that if your team gets caught that they will lose. The pre-creep phase of the game is really important; don't go afk during load screen.
1:50 - Holy shit nunu just ate the big golem. Real. That's bad for 2 reasons: 1) he's support and he shouldn't take the gold/xp from that instead of you and 2) he took consume first. You guys lose lane.
2:37 - Don't harass Blitz without creeps between you or his hook down. You should have just been csing safely to hit level 2 before them, instead you got hooked. Your nunu is totally useless because he took consume, and he's just standing in the bush not warding anything either. You're zoning yourself and missing cs for no reason when they're not in lane and then as soon as they show up you walk in to get hooked. That's bad.
3:00 - Your nunu is retarded and could have picked up a kill with you by focusing Varus instead of Blitz. Don't play a support-reliant adc when you play with shitty players. Pick someone like MF or Ezreal, who don't really need any support to win lane. Also wtf i just looked do you have q first? Take trap lv 1.
4:32 - You play like a little girl vs Blitz because you don't know his hook range. Your nunu is retarded and gets hooked for free. Luckily, Varus sucks and eats 3 waves of creep aggro and trades with your dblade, making you the winner in the exchange.
4:57 - Nunu's retarded and hasn't warded bush vs Blitz. You have to direct the shitty players around you to do things, especially when you're laning with them.
5:16 - Blitz hooks a creep and you start harassing. This is good. But as you're harassing, YOU walk up to HIM and he powerfists you. Cho was waiting for the lane gank, your Nunu is totally worthless, and you die after getting hit by rupture.
6:30 - Small things, but work on last hitting. Cait is really hard to do it with but you're missing a lot when nobody is around.
7:03 - Nunu gets hooked as soon as he walks back into lane. This isn't a very good game to analyze your play because Nunu is just total fucking garbage. I'm gonna stop analyzing here because this game is totally lost.
Give me a better replay to analyze and I'll analyze it. This one is clearly just Nunu being 900 Elo against a Blitz. Not saying you can't win that, but you have to tell him how to do things and if you're not on voice chat it's really hard to explain where to ward and how not to get hooked and that you want bloodboil and iceball before consume etcetcetc.
[edit] I think the big takeaway here is that you might not understand the aim of Caitlyn as a dps and Nunu/Cait as a combo--Caitlyn wants to farm and push waves in 100% safety for 40 minutes then beast people in mid/lategame teamfights with range and huge items. Nunu/Cait as a combo just wants to establish themselves in a lane and push down towers as fast as possible in complete safety. You should pick up a different ADC for low Elo--I suggest MF or Ezreal. [/edit]
On January 29 2013 16:52 birdkicker wrote: I know there is already someone asking to get their replay analyzed, so sorry if I am asking for this in an inconvenient time. I am a Jungle main that is stuck at 1700-1800 elo bracket for about one month, and I would love if someone could assist me in telling me what aspects I can improve on to be a better player. I'm not sure how to explain this, but I feel a large inconsistency in myself in every game. Some games, it will feel extremely fluid and natural to me, and my ganks are highly successful. In other games, I feel sloppy and clunky and unable to completely grasp what that inconsistency is that is preventing me from making every game I go into as fluid and as completely natural as some games are for me.
I also came from a highly mechanical background, I used to be grandmaster in SC2 in season 2 and season 3. Disregarding my rank, the method I used to improve in SC was to grind out games HARD to improve and perfect my build and mechanics. I would watch my replays to see what times I'm behind in workers or making too big of an army (I played Zerg). This process of analyzing a replay felt extremely easy and straightforward to make someone a better player. However, in LoL, I can't fully understand how I can effectively utilize replays in order to make myself better. All the many variables in the game makes learning from replays for me much harder.
With all that out of the way, would anyone be willing to analyze one of my replays? Here is my link to my latest game : http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/2737896/ I feel like this rep is good for analyzing purposes because I feel if I were to play better, I could have carried the game. (I usually start wolves -> Blue, but I thought an invade was coming so I was a bit late. I should have been paying attention and went to wolves straight away as soon as I saw them with only three and backing off.)
It would also be a bonus if someone could maybe enlighten me on how to effectively analyze my own replays so in the future I can do this myself and not be too bothersome asking around for help ^^
I took a look and you're at the level where you just need to work on finesse and some finer points of strategical understanding. It's just experience that will tell you what lanes you can gank and what lanes you can't gank. Probably the reason that it feels so unnatural to you is because you are too rigid in your jungle path and you only gank in a pattern--so when the pattern lines up with a high probability gank it feels very natural, and when it doesn't (this game) it feels very forced and rigid. You're higher Elo than me but I've been a jungle main since S1 and I think I have a little insight into how you can change this.
The aim of a gank isn't to kill the opponent, it's to give your laner an advantage by applying pressure on the enemy such that they have to zone themselves or take damage to gain xp. Some lanes are inherently harder to gank than others (Lee Sin, Kat, Vlad, Fizz, Leblanc, Kassadin, etc.) and some lanes are very easy to gank (Darius, Mordekaiser, Chogath, etc.). You have to think about ganks in terms of risk/reward, and there's a lot that goes into the calculation. It's like where is their jungler? How probable is it that this works? Is there something more important to be doing? Will they burn a summoner? Will we have to burn summoners? What happens if they escape? What happens if we kill them? Where are the wards? Does it matter that it's warded? Will my presence alone force them to zone themselves? Can I double back if they blow flash? Can we towerdive? Is it a good idea? Am I getting counterjungled? What do I do after the gank? Does my laner just want to bluepill and have me cover instead?
And that's just some of the things that should be running through your head as you're going through your jungle path. If at any point your analysis says PROFITABLE GANK or MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS CAMP when you are jungling, start moving towards that lane. A jungler's role is different depending on what kind of jungler you are, but in any case, your mentality should be team-oriented, not self-oriented. I'm not saying that if your team is going to do something stupid that you should die for them, but if you see a spot where you can make a tactical sacrifice for your team and it benefits you as a whole or hurts the enemy as a whole, don't be afraid to take it.
(This isn't all directed at you, I'm sure you know a lot of this)
But yeah, as far as replay analysis goes, in League you can't always determine what is your fault and what is not your fault, so just go and take a look with the mentality of "I'm going to focus on how my actions affected the flow of the game as a whole and see what there is that I could have done better." It helps if you have a strong basic game sense, but you can develop that by watching pros play and by mass gaming at slightly higher than your own level--very similar to SC. If you want to really improve, you have to step outside of your comfort zone, and that means doing stuff like widening your champion pool and learning new roles.
Honestly, that's the best way to learn how to gank lanes--play the lane you want to get good at ganking for. You'll understand when a gank will be successful.
On January 29 2013 16:52 birdkicker wrote: I know there is already someone asking to get their replay analyzed, so sorry if I am asking for this in an inconvenient time. I am a Jungle main that is stuck at 1700-1800 elo bracket for about one month, and I would love if someone could assist me in telling me what aspects I can improve on to be a better player. I'm not sure how to explain this, but I feel a large inconsistency in myself in every game. Some games, it will feel extremely fluid and natural to me, and my ganks are highly successful. In other games, I feel sloppy and clunky and unable to completely grasp what that inconsistency is that is preventing me from making every game I go into as fluid and as completely natural as some games are for me.
I also came from a highly mechanical background, I used to be grandmaster in SC2 in season 2 and season 3. Disregarding my rank, the method I used to improve in SC was to grind out games HARD to improve and perfect my build and mechanics. I would watch my replays to see what times I'm behind in workers or making too big of an army (I played Zerg). This process of analyzing a replay felt extremely easy and straightforward to make someone a better player. However, in LoL, I can't fully understand how I can effectively utilize replays in order to make myself better. All the many variables in the game makes learning from replays for me much harder.
With all that out of the way, would anyone be willing to analyze one of my replays? Here is my link to my latest game : http://www.leaguereplays.com/replays/match/2737896/ I feel like this rep is good for analyzing purposes because I feel if I were to play better, I could have carried the game. (I usually start wolves -> Blue, but I thought an invade was coming so I was a bit late. I should have been paying attention and went to wolves straight away as soon as I saw them with only three and backing off.)
It would also be a bonus if someone could maybe enlighten me on how to effectively analyze my own replays so in the future I can do this myself and not be too bothersome asking around for help ^^
I took a look and you're at the level where you just need to work on finesse and some finer points of strategical understanding. It's just experience that will tell you what lanes you can gank and what lanes you can't gank. Probably the reason that it feels so unnatural to you is because you are too rigid in your jungle path and you only gank in a pattern--so when the pattern lines up with a high probability gank it feels very natural, and when it doesn't (this game) it feels very forced and rigid. You're higher Elo than me but I've been a jungle main since S1 and I think I have a little insight into how you can change this.
The aim of a gank isn't to kill the opponent, it's to give your laner an advantage by applying pressure on the enemy such that they have to zone themselves or take damage to gain xp. Some lanes are inherently harder to gank than others (Lee Sin, Kat, Vlad, Fizz, Leblanc, Kassadin, etc.) and some lanes are very easy to gank (Darius, Mordekaiser, Chogath, etc.). You have to think about ganks in terms of risk/reward, and there's a lot that goes into the calculation. It's like where is their jungler? How probable is it that this works? Is there something more important to be doing? Will they burn a summoner? Will we have to burn summoners? What happens if they escape? What happens if we kill them? Where are the wards? Does it matter that it's warded? Will my presence alone force them to zone themselves? Can I double back if they blow flash? Can we towerdive? Is it a good idea? Am I getting counterjungled? What do I do after the gank? Does my laner just want to bluepill and have me cover instead?
And that's just some of the things that should be running through your head as you're going through your jungle path. If at any point your analysis says PROFITABLE GANK or MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS CAMP when you are jungling, start moving towards that lane. A jungler's role is different depending on what kind of jungler you are, but in any case, your mentality should be team-oriented, not self-oriented. I'm not saying that if your team is going to do something stupid that you should die for them, but if you see a spot where you can make a tactical sacrifice for your team and it benefits you as a whole or hurts the enemy as a whole, don't be afraid to take it.
(This isn't all directed at you, I'm sure you know a lot of this)
But yeah, as far as replay analysis goes, in League you can't always determine what is your fault and what is not your fault, so just go and take a look with the mentality of "I'm going to focus on how my actions affected the flow of the game as a whole and see what there is that I could have done better." It helps if you have a strong basic game sense, but you can develop that by watching pros play and by mass gaming at slightly higher than your own level--very similar to SC. If you want to really improve, you have to step outside of your comfort zone, and that means doing stuff like widening your champion pool and learning new roles.
Honestly, that's the best way to learn how to gank lanes--play the lane you want to get good at ganking for. You'll understand when a gank will be successful.
The Vayne replay is for comments on my laning against a kill lane (Taric/Graves). I think i played perhaps a little too scared for a long period of time in lane, when I could have gotten more harrass in for a less favourable all in on their part.
On March 05 2013 15:43 Ares[Effort] wrote: We do inhouses whenever possible, join us!
Played for the first time, I'm bad but still had fun!
Haha ya it's a lot of fun, Kissblade was laughing so hard he couldn't cs lol!
On March 05 2013 22:26 mordek wrote: Is the chatroom still LiquidPractice? Every time I think, hmm maybe an inhouse is happening, the chat is silent.
Ya still same channel, and yes it's usually quiet for most part. Around and after 9 pm EST a lot of people get on and we try to get inhouses going, before that it's usually 5's
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