[Patch 1.0.0.141: Draven] General Discussion - Page 199

On June 29 2012 04:16 IMoperator wrote:
Hm, I want some suggestions on what champion to get next. I play Lux in like 90% of my games atm, and the other times I play Master Yi (trying to go AP trololo). I was thinking about trying Dr. Mundo but tanky characters don't really appeal to me that much, I just thought he looked cool. Maybe a new AP? I've tried Leblanc already and I didn't like her, but any suggestions?

On June 29 2012 04:05 PrinceXizor wrote:
After today, I am done with LoL. I just can't be bothered to put effort into a game to improve, when the game itself is so miserable, and the ladder system so broken, that improvement is impossible.

Uninstalling now.

Been fun guys (kinda). Wish all of you luck. and my parting wisdom:


Karma is good bottom lane as support against vayne, graves, corki.

Support fiddle is amazing against any non taric/ali support.

LoL pro players go too often for the 5th kill over an objective.

LoL Pro players don't use the bush well enough to harrass in bot lane they use it too much for attempted kills to force wards to be placed in them.

you guys have been overwhelmingly cool, unlike the rest of the community. Off to play dota instead :3 Thanks for being a cool community here.

On June 29 2012 04:20 overt wrote:


Ahri is really strong and she uses a lot of skill shots, like Lux does. She doesn't have the same range as Lux though. I've only played AP Yi like once but I can't think of a champion similar to him.

I used to play a lot of Lux and when I have to play AP Ahri is one of my go-to champions because I think she's really fun. Not to mention if you main Lux you're probably pretty good at skillshots so you should do pretty well with Ahri.

On June 29 2012 04:05 PrinceXizor wrote:
After today, I am done with LoL. I just can't be bothered to put effort into a game to improve, when the game itself is so miserable, and the ladder system so broken, that improvement is impossible.

On June 29 2012 03:25 Slayer91 wrote:
Malph honestly seems OP right now. Maybe it's the nerf to all sustaining bruisers top lane and AD/AP carries doing most of the work in teamfights now but he seems to win or at least draw every lane and in teamfights he just initiates from a million range with ult and then sits on the AD carry who not only doesn't do much damage to 400 armour malphite but also gets attack speed slowed on top of that and possibly randuins+frozen heart AGAIN.

In theory I suppose the counter to malph is a tanky team either AP based or lots of bruisers so he can't slow them all, but right now bruisers are falling out of popularity because of how hard it is to engage a lot of these teams which are based around 3 people protecting the AP and AD who generally have strong poke and high damage and malph excels against that with his engage and AS slow.

Blitz and naut just because hooks are gay and when people stop getting lazy and get better at dodging maybe they'll fall out again? I dunno.

On June 29 2012 04:29 spinesheath wrote:

You are free to do whatever you want, but you should be honest to yourself.
There is nothing in the game that stops you from improving. It's just you.

On June 29 2012 04:28 MooMooMugi wrote:
Soniv you just should play a lot of Gragas hes so OP

On June 29 2012 04:22 Vaporized wrote:
im curious why you think the ladder system is broken?

On June 29 2012 04:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I think, starting tonight, I am going to start tracking my own elo adventures (inspired by Slusher and also while looking at trends at work atm).

What I'm thinking is for each game, track:

Elo gain/loss
What Roll Played
Date/Time (so I can look at trends on weekends vs weekdays)
Streaks

Are there any other variables you guys think it would be useful/interesting to keep track of?

On June 29 2012 04:48 PrinceXizor wrote:



Keep track of which side wins (blue/purple) and how many DCs/crashes happen in each game.

EDIT:

soniv can't you also use the way back machine to check your ELO at times in the past? or does it not work that way?

if not the way back machine then another archive site?

On June 29 2012 04:47 PrinceXizor wrote:

The game being miserable has to do with how terrible the backend of the game is, the server side issues and constant problems, in addition to the fact that i don't like how passive and snowbally the game is at top levels but the second half of that was just personal preference.

the ladder system, having more ELO lost than gained is good for the game, but having one side always have slightly higher average ELO than the other is kind of bad, i know it's for "balance" so that 1 side gets more/loses less elo, but the other has a higher chance of winning due to team skill, but it's not good for solo/duo queue. The lack of ELO loss/any real punishment for dodging is a problem. the surrender mechanic is horrible for laddering. The placement matches for a new season and account aren't really good indicators of skill or anything. Even if you play your role perfectly, you have a pretty decent chance of losing which is a problem that almost every other competitive game doesn't have (HoN being the other exception), but it's a major problem for laddering. Season 1 my account was at 1800 ELO, i felt i was a decent player, not amazing, but i definitely had games where i felt i did everything possible for my teams victory, and i was a support player. Played with some season 1 ladder buddies recently, I found out that i had not improved at all since season 1 despite playing more games season 2 than 1. Because my account has been frozen at a lower ELO than my skill level, so i don't actually get any practice. in BW and in star2 this could be alleviated by practice partners and the fact that it is 1v1 so you get to where you are challenged sooner, but finding 9 players online of similar skill level to inhouse with every day is really hard to do and unreliable.

Pretty much, my issue with the ladder system, is that it exists the way it does for a game that requires 10 players. You cannot skirt the ladder to practice, and you cannot practice effectively on the ladder. So I've been in limbo for so long. I'm just tired of playing and playing and seeing absolutely no improvement because the games i win at this elo are completely 1 sided. you don't learn a damn thing from a game where the other team is just horribly outclassed. and you learn too slowly from games where your team just won't listen and repeats the same mistakes. and you cannot learn anything at all from games you lose/win because of disconnects and crashes, except that 4v5's are hard.

I dunno i guess i could be convinced to come back to play if i could find a big practice group.

I just don't like ranked being a waste of time until you hit the bottom end of your skill level. Just makes me sad to play over and over and have absolutely no control over stopping a losing game before it gets out of control. by the team people want to listen to you, it's far too late.

On June 29 2012 05:05 TheYango wrote:
I'm curious what this game would be like if there were no visible Elo for ranked games.

On June 29 2012 05:05 TheYango wrote:
I'm curious what this game would be like if there were no visible Elo for ranked games.