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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
July 26 2012 14:41 GMT
#121
do you think vayne is the best AD vs ezreal?
BlACKTrA
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany187 Posts
July 26 2012 14:57 GMT
#122
On July 26 2012 23:41 zulu_nation8 wrote:
do you think vayne is the best AD vs ezreal?


maybe sivir because of his ability to spam so you gain a lot of mana or he wont do any damage...
and you could harass him aswell, even though he will flash to dodge your Q

I think a soraka + sivir bot lane stops all the damage of his spells, atleast it works in lower elo
Ente
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1795 Posts
July 26 2012 15:08 GMT
#123
I dont think that you can "counter ez" there are some lanes which are pretty safe: Corki Graves Sivir even ashe and kogmaw can work decently (even though the as slow is pretty hard for them) I wouldnt suggest vayne because she suffers a lot from the as slow + is relly weak in lane
lol acc: Entenzwerg EUW http://www.twitch.tv/Entenzwerg league of legends stream (challenger EuW)
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 30 2012 02:29 GMT
#124
So, is the general consensus here that caitlyn sucks dick?
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 30 2012 02:36 GMT
#125
On July 30 2012 11:29 101toss wrote:
So, is the general consensus here that caitlyn sucks dick?

I thought she had the best lane phase of any AD with her range + poke, so you should leave lane with an advantage, but her lategame is really bad as a trade off
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
nalho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States351 Posts
July 30 2012 02:48 GMT
#126
On July 30 2012 11:36 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 11:29 101toss wrote:
So, is the general consensus here that caitlyn sucks dick?

I thought she had the best lane phase of any AD with her range + poke, so you should leave lane with an advantage, but her lategame is really bad as a trade off


it's not her lategame but her lack of presence in midgame similar to trist. cait still has the 3rd highest range for ad carries (if including kog w) so her lategame is on par or better than most ad carries
i'm jung/i translate bw sometimes
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 30 2012 02:51 GMT
#127
On July 30 2012 11:48 nalho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 11:36 arb wrote:
On July 30 2012 11:29 101toss wrote:
So, is the general consensus here that caitlyn sucks dick?

I thought she had the best lane phase of any AD with her range + poke, so you should leave lane with an advantage, but her lategame is really bad as a trade off


it's not her lategame but her lack of presence in midgame similar to trist. cait still has the 3rd highest range for ad carries (if including kog w) so her lategame is on par or better than most ad carries

But the shitty steroid, escape, and ult make her garbage lategame (and mid) :s

Why play cait when you could play trist, have a similar shitty midgame, but have a stronger early (debatable) that helps you avoid the shit midgame as well as a great late presence?
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
nalho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States351 Posts
July 30 2012 02:53 GMT
#128
On July 30 2012 11:51 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 11:48 nalho wrote:
On July 30 2012 11:36 arb wrote:
On July 30 2012 11:29 101toss wrote:
So, is the general consensus here that caitlyn sucks dick?

I thought she had the best lane phase of any AD with her range + poke, so you should leave lane with an advantage, but her lategame is really bad as a trade off


it's not her lategame but her lack of presence in midgame similar to trist. cait still has the 3rd highest range for ad carries (if including kog w) so her lategame is on par or better than most ad carries

But the shitty steroid, escape, and ult make her garbage lategame (and mid) :s

Why play cait when you could play trist, have a similar shitty midgame, but have a stronger early (debatable) that helps you avoid the shit midgame as well as a great late presence?


i prefer female breast over small yordle.
ot: cait has nice ability to zone with traps late game when tower pushing so it all depends on team comp i guess
i'm jung/i translate bw sometimes
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
July 30 2012 03:58 GMT
#129
On July 27 2012 00:08 Ente wrote:
I dont think that you can "counter ez" there are some lanes which are pretty safe: Corki Graves Sivir even ashe and kogmaw can work decently (even though the as slow is pretty hard for them) I wouldnt suggest vayne because she suffers a lot from the as slow + is relly weak in lane

Also vayne can't outtrade ezreal if he lands his W on her. Even late game, if you can't stun ezreal, he's very hard to 1v1 as an AD carry - even vayne. (Same problem happens for Autoattacking bruisers - AS slow stronk)
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
July 30 2012 04:41 GMT
#130
On July 30 2012 11:29 101toss wrote:
So, is the general consensus here that caitlyn sucks dick?

For Caitlyn it's really important to win lane, and ride that advantage into the mid-game.
I feel that her range late-game makes up for her lack of a steroid, with proper positioning one can truly abuse her 650 range, and she is really good vs double-AP or AOE team comps.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 18:52:41
July 30 2012 05:27 GMT
#131
On July 30 2012 13:41 3 Lions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 11:29 101toss wrote:
So, is the general consensus here that caitlyn sucks dick?

For Caitlyn it's really important to win lane, and ride that advantage into the mid-game.
I feel that her range late-game makes up for her lack of a steroid, with proper positioning one can truly abuse her 650 range, and she is really good vs double-AP or AOE team comps.


In the early game, caitlyn paired with an equally aggressive zoning support like alistar, blitz and taric or janna can literally stand between your ranged/melee creeps shooting you and because you're zoned so far that the creeps don't aggro onto cait. Sure, once it hits the 12-15 minute mark and you're going for dragon her skills will generally do less damage but that doesn't matter too much if she has double dorans, BF, zerks, vamp and a pickaxe against your double dorans, zerks BF. Good caitlyn's will zone you out of 50+ CS by the 15 minute mark, a pretty huge amount of money that compensates for her weakness later.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 08:56:04
July 30 2012 08:44 GMT
#132
In the Varus-section, you might want to add Leona as a great support. Comboing those spells with the varus E into R is a 100% kill.

Actually max E on Varus first, the ratios are pretty damn good and for trades it shuts down all the healing. Also, the first instinct of alot of people (lets say 90%) when hit by Varus E is to just run away. During that you can autoattack 2/3 times and follow with a Q for more damage.

E is just such a huge chunk of damage in lane, I wish I maxed it when he came out instead of W/Q

good guide sir!

edit: my opinion on the whole caitlynn discussion. I think its alot dependant on the support you have. You have to be aggresive and you need a support who can aid you in that goal. I play alot of AD carry and I really like the ranged poke of Cait early on. My normal support usually plays aggresive support, so she doesnt play much soraka for example. We have a good chemistry and we are allways trying to be as aggresive as the enemy team lets us be (junglers, global ults).

However her sister also sometimes plays support but shes waaaay more passive. As a result I cant go aggresive as much since basicly im alone vs their 2 players, with my support helping where needed but not for a kill/zoning.

This could be 2 seperate games with the exact same setup where one works and one doenst, purely on how aggresive the support is willing to play next to me in lane.
KCCO!
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 30 2012 09:17 GMT
#133
I think Caitlyn's midgame is pretty good when her Q is worthwhile and traps are useful for dragon fights. It's her late game that is truly sad.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
symbolic
Profile Joined August 2010
254 Posts
July 30 2012 09:28 GMT
#134
Caitlyn is definitely not as bad as most of you are making her out to be. The reason you would pick her over someone like Tristana is because of her zoning presence. She's very safe in lane and has very good burst with Q + R combos to finish people off as they attempt to escape. The decreased cast time on her E has helped her mid to late game a lot because it adds to her time auto attacking and also allows her to reposition herself faster. Traps at dragon/baron will also influence the enemy's movements, allowing for zoning/poking, which is something that other ADs don't really provide. Yes, late late game tristana and kog do more damage from marginally longer range, but she still does good damage with her passive and is very hard to run down as she peels for herself very well.

Overall, she's very unique and is probably my favorite AD. People see her as the "easy AD" but she is definitely one of the harder ones to master imo.

// 2250 AD player
little fancy
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 10:20:31
July 30 2012 10:07 GMT
#135
For anyone that says Caitlyn's lategame sucks I would like to recommend the VOD of CLG.eu playing against CLG.na in the OGN tournament last wednesday.

I think 3 Lions sums it up pretty well:

On July 30 2012 13:41 3 Lions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 11:29 101toss wrote:
So, is the general consensus here that caitlyn sucks dick?

For Caitlyn it's really important to win lane, and ride that advantage into the mid-game.
I feel that her range late-game makes up for her lack of a steroid, with proper positioning one can truly abuse her 650 range, and she is really good vs double-AP or AOE team comps.



Although CLG.na lost, you can see pretty clearly what a good Caitlyn player (Doublelift) is capable of and how to abuse 650 range lategame. With 650 range + Flash + Cleanse + QSS + the improved 90 caliber net he was nearly untouchable while dishing out the usual 5/6 item ad carry damage.

Unfortunately the rest of the team did pretty poorly and couldn't peel for him in the very last teamfight so in the end he died to Malphite (who is considered OP anyways as of now and was pretty fed) and Ahri jumping on him.


Edit:

Many people play Caitlyn just wrong which is why the majority of the community thinks she sucks. They play her too passive and use 650 range only to farm safely which eventually results in a lost lane for them which is not acceptable when playing Caitlyn (unless you get camped and globally ganked like mad, but even then...).
Ente
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1795 Posts
July 30 2012 12:15 GMT
#136
Caitlyn has a very good lategame no idea why people complain about it the reasons are: decent steroid (the passiv really isnt that bad around ~10% dps increase a bit less if not in brush more if in brush) great range with 650 3 have more Tristana, Kogmaw (during W) Twitch (during R). Caitlyn is the best champ for towerpoking due to having 3 trapps and constantly high Autoattack range.
Her midgame sucks though due to not having any usefull dmg spells (her traps are probably her best spell) In addition to that you can lane 2v1 decently with caitlyn (after a certain point) so if you want your support to gank a bit (not full roam) caitlyn is good for that aswell.
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necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
July 30 2012 14:07 GMT
#137
Caitlyn is a great AD carry to punish not-so-good-at-laning ADs such as Vayne. When you play Caitlyn, like Lions said, you basically want to ride your advantage to the mid-game, so mostly you have to pick a team with a lot of pushing potential.
Shadow of his former self.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 30 2012 14:20 GMT
#138
Her late game is good if you have a decent CC/peeler like Ali, Skar, Leona, etc, but in that case, they'd be better peeling for Kog or something. She has her strengths, sure, but she just lacks superpower that other carries bring.

I still play her a lot, as I like the safe and strong laning phase and very few low-elo games get to super late as it is (and even if they do, one side is usually way ahead anyway), so it's less of a big deal for me. If I want to go super tryhard as ADC (generally doesn't happen, as it's my second weakest role), I'd probably pick Trist and just ride her to endgame victory.
It's your boy Guzma!
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 17:05:06
July 30 2012 17:04 GMT
#139
The problem with Caitlyn in late game is that her steroid is not so great. Compared to Corki, Caitlyn's passive does not work on her crits... otherwise it's almost the same passive. However Corki has a much better gap closer and poke than Caitlyn's.

I wish Caitlyn could gain passive stacks when she hits a champion with her spell. I think that will actually make her pretty strong... but so far, the statistics seem to suggest that she is pretty weak right now.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 17:16:43
July 30 2012 17:16 GMT
#140
I think the real issue with cait is kinda the same as trist. Your spells are really good in lane, but when you build towards IE you NEED attack speed to really get from the "i use both auto attacks and spells to deal damage" to "i auto attack you and you die". This is why ezreal and corki is so good mid-game imo, because their spells make sense to use. It just feels akward using caitlyns Q in team fights mid-game.
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