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PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
May 03 2012 07:30 GMT
#21
Awesome guide! Will probably help me a lot!: ) thanks
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 03 2012 12:40 GMT
#22
On May 03 2012 13:58 sob3k wrote:
You gotta format this more with big text and color coding and

centering titles
also


1. lists
2. and/or more recognizable sections

Also put some sections in + Show Spoiler +
spoilers



and maybe some italics

Its really tough to read right now.

Well, prior to edditing out a section or 2 before I posted, it was 20 pages single spaced. So its likely gonna be hard to read just from the standpoint that I basically started typing and didnt actually ever bother to stop.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 14:53:27
May 03 2012 14:53 GMT
#23
Nice guide =o

Imo, your ganking section needs a lot of work, because you don't really tell people how to properly assess a good gank opportunity, which angle to come in from, fog of war blindspots etc that all helps with ganking.

I know you don't have much experience with the ganking aspect of jungling, so I won't be too critical of that.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 03 2012 14:57 GMT
#24
On May 03 2012 23:53 Juicyfruit wrote:
Nice guide =o

Imo, your ganking section needs a lot of work, because you don't really tell people how to properly assess a good gank opportunity, which angle to come in from, fog of war blindspots etc that all helps with ganking.

I know you don't have much experience with the ganking aspect of jungling, so I won't be too critical of that.

1st, FUUUUUU

2nd, Ganking is really the single aspect of jungling that requires the most experience. There is no good way to explain to someone how to gank simply because there are so many variables, summoners, champions, wards, creep positions, map positioning, buffs, relative health, relative farm, ect. I tried to do the best I could. Realistically I would need to have hundreds of videos and such in order to properly do that section.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 17:38:25
May 03 2012 15:06 GMT
#25
Take my name off of this. You butchered all of the corrections I made and didn't even bother to let me look at this "final" draft. I want no part in this. I'll release my own version elsewhere.

[Edit]
Release location:
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 03 2012 15:07 GMT
#26
Fair nuff~
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
May 03 2012 15:11 GMT
#27
This is surely only a problem at lower ELOs, but:

what to do if your team has a jungler and the enemy team doesn't? In my experience, this usually results in a 1v2 top lane, where our top lane is usually at 50-75% health, and both of the enemy top laners are near 100% health. Is it ever a good idea to gank top in this case? I can almost never find a good opportunity to gank, but then the complaints start rolling in.
next week on Everybody Loves HypnoToad:
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 03 2012 15:13 GMT
#28
On May 04 2012 00:11 BlasiuS wrote:
This is surely only a problem at lower ELOs, but:

what to do if your team has a jungler and the enemy team doesn't? In my experience, this usually results in a 1v2 top lane, where our top lane is usually at 50-75% health, and both of the enemy top laners are near 100% health. Is it ever a good idea to gank top in this case? I can almost never find a good opportunity to gank, but then the complaints start rolling in.

Take every buff on the map, level up faster than should be possible, and hope to hell that your top lane is smart enough to get as many levels and farm as they can.

And no, I would avoid ganking top. You cant do anything to turn that lane into anything less than a stomp. Focus on farming and winning the other lanes.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 15:21:59
May 03 2012 15:20 GMT
#29
Imo, there are two correct responses to having 1v2 top.

1) Gank top super early and force a kill there. I am talking about you taking red buff and then immediately going top while they're still level 1. If you get a kill here, great, keep coming back and kill them over and over again.

2) If you don't pull off a kill top lane, don't go back there for a while because it won't be in your favor. Shift your attention on mid-lane. Make your mid win lane hard -> he gets the leeway to 2-man gank top with you -> pick up kills -> everyone celebrates with some frosty ale.

If your top lane dies at any point then everything becomes 10x harder.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
May 03 2012 15:24 GMT
#30
in my experience the lane will be pushed up really far and if your top mite be ahead in levels, and so will you, so sometimes 1v2 top = ez double kill if you go help
:)
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 03 2012 15:35 GMT
#31
lol@rule #2, what would TL be if the master junglers likd td and cratonz didnt make guides to educate the ignorant masses
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 03 2012 15:39 GMT
#32
Depends on the top laner. Especially at lower Elos/levels where people's mechanics and stuff aren't too refined, a strong harass/bully laner like Pantheon won't be able to straight up 1v2 his opponents, esp. if one of them has ignite, but he can still harass them to kinda low life (one or even both), and in those cases ganks are perfectly viable once you get in those situations and if the laner gets the kills he'll just turn it into a reverse stomp.

But that really depends on multiple factors: relative skill levels, match-ups, summonners, ability to wear opponents down to make the gank/burst possible, etc.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 03 2012 15:42 GMT
#33
On May 04 2012 00:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
lol@rule #2, what would TL be if the master junglers likd td and cratonz didnt make guides to educate the ignorant masses

Just get TOO in here to read it.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 03 2012 15:46 GMT
#34
yea i bet you can teach a thing or two to progamers
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 15:48:43
May 03 2012 15:47 GMT
#35
le sarcasm, it is a lost art~

but it still is very important. It seems like a silly thing to say, but then you probably havent played with a level 10 trying to jungle who ends up at level 2 when everyone else is level 6. Dont discount the fact that shit that seems obvious to you wasnt at some point.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
May 03 2012 15:49 GMT
#36
is WW really a great jungler to learn with? i feel like his ult might be a crutch that could really slow how fast you learn to gank effectively and lead to some bad habits.

i learned to jungle with udyr and i don't think you're giving up much in safety at all with him and will be forced to learn the importance of proper positioning while ganking. also while you're still learning to balance between time spent farming and ganking udyr's massive advantage in clear speed will give you a lot more leeway to make mistakes budgeting your time.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-03 15:55:30
May 03 2012 15:54 GMT
#37
WW is also cheap and can jungle without runes, which is great for starters. Plus the effectiveness of WW's gank can help to demonstrate the impact of ganks on a lane, before you have to learn how to position properly and all for something that you may have yet to witness for yourself. The fact that WW's ganks are so strong also demonstrates jungler's pressure well, where your opponents (if they turn their brains on, that is) will learn to be wary when you haven't ganked for awhile, because "his ult is probably off cd now, he could come at any moment".
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 03 2012 15:57 GMT
#38
On May 04 2012 00:49 chalice wrote:
is WW really a great jungler to learn with? i feel like his ult might be a crutch that could really slow how fast you learn to gank effectively and lead to some bad habits.

i learned to jungle with udyr and i don't think you're giving up much in safety at all with him and will be forced to learn the importance of proper positioning while ganking. also while you're still learning to balance between time spent farming and ganking udyr's massive advantage in clear speed will give you a lot more leeway to make mistakes budgeting your time.

I dont like learning on faster jungles because it makes it really hard to go back and learn WW or GP, for example. It's much easier to learn how to go faster than to learn how to jungle slowly but effectivly after being used to zooming around.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
May 03 2012 16:04 GMT
#39
Are you going to have a section about specific jungle counterpicks, or are you just going to leave that for the individual champion threads?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 03 2012 17:09 GMT
#40
On May 04 2012 01:04 57 Corvette wrote:
Are you going to have a section about specific jungle counterpicks, or are you just going to leave that for the individual champion threads?

Champ threads. The game changes far too much for me to be able to do that sort of thing here.

One of the sections that I had to delete was a brief description of common jungle champs from back in Jan-Feb, and even THAT was too outdated to keep.
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