EPT[Role] Jungle - Page 2
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PeZuY
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:58 sob3k wrote: You gotta format this more with big text and color coding and centering titles also 1. lists 2. and/or more recognizable sections Also put some sections in + Show Spoiler + spoilers and maybe some italics Its really tough to read right now. Well, prior to edditing out a section or 2 before I posted, it was 20 pages single spaced. So its likely gonna be hard to read just from the standpoint that I basically started typing and didnt actually ever bother to stop. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Imo, your ganking section needs a lot of work, because you don't really tell people how to properly assess a good gank opportunity, which angle to come in from, fog of war blindspots etc that all helps with ganking. I know you don't have much experience with the ganking aspect of jungling, so I won't be too critical of that. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On May 03 2012 23:53 Juicyfruit wrote: Nice guide =o Imo, your ganking section needs a lot of work, because you don't really tell people how to properly assess a good gank opportunity, which angle to come in from, fog of war blindspots etc that all helps with ganking. I know you don't have much experience with the ganking aspect of jungling, so I won't be too critical of that. 1st, FUUUUUU 2nd, Ganking is really the single aspect of jungling that requires the most experience. There is no good way to explain to someone how to gank simply because there are so many variables, summoners, champions, wards, creep positions, map positioning, buffs, relative health, relative farm, ect. I tried to do the best I could. Realistically I would need to have hundreds of videos and such in order to properly do that section. | ||
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Craton
United States17294 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
what to do if your team has a jungler and the enemy team doesn't? In my experience, this usually results in a 1v2 top lane, where our top lane is usually at 50-75% health, and both of the enemy top laners are near 100% health. Is it ever a good idea to gank top in this case? I can almost never find a good opportunity to gank, but then the complaints start rolling in. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On May 04 2012 00:11 BlasiuS wrote: This is surely only a problem at lower ELOs, but: what to do if your team has a jungler and the enemy team doesn't? In my experience, this usually results in a 1v2 top lane, where our top lane is usually at 50-75% health, and both of the enemy top laners are near 100% health. Is it ever a good idea to gank top in this case? I can almost never find a good opportunity to gank, but then the complaints start rolling in. Take every buff on the map, level up faster than should be possible, and hope to hell that your top lane is smart enough to get as many levels and farm as they can. And no, I would avoid ganking top. You cant do anything to turn that lane into anything less than a stomp. Focus on farming and winning the other lanes. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
1) Gank top super early and force a kill there. I am talking about you taking red buff and then immediately going top while they're still level 1. If you get a kill here, great, keep coming back and kill them over and over again. 2) If you don't pull off a kill top lane, don't go back there for a while because it won't be in your favor. Shift your attention on mid-lane. Make your mid win lane hard -> he gets the leeway to 2-man gank top with you -> pick up kills -> everyone celebrates with some frosty ale. If your top lane dies at any point then everything becomes 10x harder. | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
But that really depends on multiple factors: relative skill levels, match-ups, summonners, ability to wear opponents down to make the gank/burst possible, etc. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On May 04 2012 00:35 zulu_nation8 wrote: lol@rule #2, what would TL be if the master junglers likd td and cratonz didnt make guides to educate the ignorant masses Just get TOO in here to read it. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
but it still is very important. It seems like a silly thing to say, but then you probably havent played with a level 10 trying to jungle who ends up at level 2 when everyone else is level 6. Dont discount the fact that shit that seems obvious to you wasnt at some point. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
i learned to jungle with udyr and i don't think you're giving up much in safety at all with him and will be forced to learn the importance of proper positioning while ganking. also while you're still learning to balance between time spent farming and ganking udyr's massive advantage in clear speed will give you a lot more leeway to make mistakes budgeting your time. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On May 04 2012 00:49 chalice wrote: is WW really a great jungler to learn with? i feel like his ult might be a crutch that could really slow how fast you learn to gank effectively and lead to some bad habits. i learned to jungle with udyr and i don't think you're giving up much in safety at all with him and will be forced to learn the importance of proper positioning while ganking. also while you're still learning to balance between time spent farming and ganking udyr's massive advantage in clear speed will give you a lot more leeway to make mistakes budgeting your time. I dont like learning on faster jungles because it makes it really hard to go back and learn WW or GP, for example. It's much easier to learn how to go faster than to learn how to jungle slowly but effectivly after being used to zooming around. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On May 04 2012 01:04 57 Corvette wrote: Are you going to have a section about specific jungle counterpicks, or are you just going to leave that for the individual champion threads? Champ threads. The game changes far too much for me to be able to do that sort of thing here. One of the sections that I had to delete was a brief description of common jungle champs from back in Jan-Feb, and even THAT was too outdated to keep. | ||
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