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On May 09 2012 06:37 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 06:36 JackDino wrote:On May 09 2012 06:32 Slayer91 wrote:On May 09 2012 06:29 wei2coolman wrote:On May 09 2012 05:12 Mogwai wrote:On May 09 2012 05:09 Xacez wrote:
What's the current state of CV vs Exhaust for Support nowadays? CV got smacked up twice, once with the jungle remake, once with a direct CD and duration nerf. Exhaust is generally preferred atm. When I play MAN MODE JANNA I run both. You can be manlier with flash because if they blow shit to kill you you flash out so you just play balls out way more than your silly cv exhaust nonsense. How the hell is flashing out manly, balls deep or go home. If going "balls deep" means dying in 1 second then sure. Enjoy that. I can play agressive as hell and flash out at the last second if they go for me, you play more passively just in case they go to insta gib you and then off. Logic?
If you're not flashign into middle of the enemy team, you're doing it wrong. FLASH BALLS DEEP
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On May 09 2012 05:04 Requizen wrote:
So is anyone running Heal anymore since the nerf?
I think Heal is still probably the best summoner on AD carries unless you're trying to run some sort of kill lane with Ignite/Exhaust. Cleanse and Ghost are ok too. Just my opinion but on AD carry I feel like Heal > Exhaust > Ignite > Cleanse > Ghost. Obviously some champs make better use of Ghost (notably Ashe) or Cleanse (notably Vayne) and in certain lanes Ignite is better (like against Soraka) so that isn't set in stone or anything. But yeah, on most AD carries I still favor Heal to any other summoner.
Varus seems really solid. Less utility than Ashe, less damage than Trist/Vayne/Kog, and though I'm not 100% certain probably less burst than Graves/Corki (could be wrong on that one though). But the fact that he has an attack steroid in his passive, good poke, burst damage, utility, and decent dps makes him a really well rounded carry. Seems solid on day 1 at least, not op, not up, just a solid AD carry.
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On May 09 2012 06:37 Bladeorade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 06:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay b4 shitstorm.
I've recently been playing a lot more toplane.
I have a question, when is it worth running gp10 on toplane? or what situation should I run it? Is it a good in a lane you're getting shat on, or do you run it on a lane you're dominating?
I know this has been talked to death. a link to the discussion for it would be okay as an answer as well. You run it if you feel like AFK farming for a while, if you need/a little bit of sustain and Shurelyas, or if you need/want health. EX. Shen getting HoG, Nasus with Hog and Philo
can buy when ahead... buy when behind = you lose harder as you spent 800ish gold on items that doesnt really help you trade better (like 2 doran vs HoG), but when ahead you can get further ahead
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On May 09 2012 06:48 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 06:37 Bladeorade wrote:On May 09 2012 06:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay b4 shitstorm.
I've recently been playing a lot more toplane.
I have a question, when is it worth running gp10 on toplane? or what situation should I run it? Is it a good in a lane you're getting shat on, or do you run it on a lane you're dominating?
I know this has been talked to death. a link to the discussion for it would be okay as an answer as well. You run it if you feel like AFK farming for a while, if you need/a little bit of sustain and Shurelyas, or if you need/want health. EX. Shen getting HoG, Nasus with Hog and Philo can buy when ahead... buy when behind = you lose harder as you spent 800ish gold on items that doesnt really help you trade better (like 2 doran vs HoG), but when ahead you can get further ahead
you get further ahead by buying armor and then trolling them under the turret ;p
by getting gp10 your inviting yourself into them getting an easier gank on you and getting back in to the game. gp10 on proper lanes seems to basically fuck you in the ass because you get denied more gold than they earn.
maybe someone can show that the stats on a philo are really strong for some champs and then since the gp10 part is basically free its a viable item, but i think as a rule of thumb its hard to justify ; (
which is a shame because they 'would' open up more gameplay in terms of taking a hit now to be insane later but oh well.
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What do you guys think of varus?
He doesnt seem that great. Really boring if anything. My biggest problem with him is that he has little to none escape capabilities...that and his dps is meh
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On May 09 2012 06:55 heroyi wrote:
What do you guys think of varus?
He doesnt seem that great. Really boring if anything. My biggest problem with him is that he has little to none escape capabilities...that and his dps is meh
He has everything an AD carry wants minus an escape. His damage is definitely below average but I think he makes up for that with his utility, poke, and burst. Then again I feel like Ezreal is perfectly fine as is.
I think that champion releases like Varus are really good. He's just decent, he's got things that some ADs don't and he's missing things that other ADs have. He isn't like op or ban worthy but I don't think he's bad either.
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The biggest dmg problem for Varus I think is his lack of a dependable steroid. While his passive does give him aspd you need to kill to get it and I believe the most important part is often the first few seconds of a teamfight. precisely the time he doesnt have his boost.
While he has no escapes his ult should atleast help when someone dives him in a fight and he has pretty good poke with his Q. All in all hes probably not horribly OP but interesting enough to play and good enough to not be worthless.
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On May 09 2012 06:59 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 06:55 heroyi wrote:
What do you guys think of varus?
He doesnt seem that great. Really boring if anything. My biggest problem with him is that he has little to none escape capabilities...that and his dps is meh
He has everything an AD carry wants minus an escape. His damage is definitely below average but I think he makes up for that with his utility, poke, and burst. Then again I feel like Ezreal is perfectly fine as is. I think that champion releases like Varus are really good. He's just decent, he's got things that some ADs don't and he's missing things that other ADs have. He isn't like op or ban worthy but I don't think he's bad either.
I'd rather have releases of consistently unique and fun champs thant consistently balanced yet boring ones.
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On May 09 2012 06:39 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 06:37 Slayer91 wrote:On May 09 2012 06:36 JackDino wrote:On May 09 2012 06:32 Slayer91 wrote:On May 09 2012 06:29 wei2coolman wrote:On May 09 2012 05:12 Mogwai wrote:On May 09 2012 05:09 Xacez wrote:
What's the current state of CV vs Exhaust for Support nowadays? CV got smacked up twice, once with the jungle remake, once with a direct CD and duration nerf. Exhaust is generally preferred atm. When I play MAN MODE JANNA I run both. You can be manlier with flash because if they blow shit to kill you you flash out so you just play balls out way more than your silly cv exhaust nonsense. How the hell is flashing out manly, balls deep or go home. If going "balls deep" means dying in 1 second then sure. Enjoy that. I can play agressive as hell and flash out at the last second if they go for me, you play more passively just in case they go to insta gib you and then off. Logic? If you're not flashign into middle of the enemy team, you're doing it wrong. FLASH BALLS DEEP
Yeah which is why taking cv exhaust is the manly way to go?
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exhaust ignite is the way to go on support, dont let anyone tell you different.
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Played against 3 varus today. Each one built cloak and dagger. Is it in his recommended items or are people just being dumb?
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On May 09 2012 07:12 kemoryan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 06:59 overt wrote:On May 09 2012 06:55 heroyi wrote:
What do you guys think of varus?
He doesnt seem that great. Really boring if anything. My biggest problem with him is that he has little to none escape capabilities...that and his dps is meh
He has everything an AD carry wants minus an escape. His damage is definitely below average but I think he makes up for that with his utility, poke, and burst. Then again I feel like Ezreal is perfectly fine as is. I think that champion releases like Varus are really good. He's just decent, he's got things that some ADs don't and he's missing things that other ADs have. He isn't like op or ban worthy but I don't think he's bad either. I'd rather have releases of consistently unique and fun champs thant consistently balanced yet boring ones.
I think that 'boring' is a term that is pretty relative though. In my opinion Corki, Ez, and Graves are the only 'fun' AD carries. I don't think Varus is like run of the mill or anything. Would it be cool if he was more unique? Definitely. But I'd much rather Riot have releases with champions that are average at their role than releases where a champion outshines everyone else in their role (Vayne, Graves, Ahri, to name a few).
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On May 09 2012 06:32 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 06:29 wei2coolman wrote:On May 09 2012 05:12 Mogwai wrote:On May 09 2012 05:09 Xacez wrote:
What's the current state of CV vs Exhaust for Support nowadays? CV got smacked up twice, once with the jungle remake, once with a direct CD and duration nerf. Exhaust is generally preferred atm. When I play MAN MODE JANNA I run both. You can be manlier with flash because if they blow shit to kill you you flash out so you just play balls out way more than your silly cv exhaust nonsense.
Nothing manly about that, but sure, you'll have to use that flash once they trap you because they cleared all wards with oracles with baron up.
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There's nothing manly about feeding and accomplishing nothing. If you don't take Flash on Janna that's fine, but you have to resign to the fact that you are forced into a very defensive position in lane and won't be able to help your lanemate trade until they've blown quite a bit of shit on him or else you'd die.
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On May 09 2012 07:22 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:12 kemoryan wrote:On May 09 2012 06:59 overt wrote:On May 09 2012 06:55 heroyi wrote:
What do you guys think of varus?
He doesnt seem that great. Really boring if anything. My biggest problem with him is that he has little to none escape capabilities...that and his dps is meh
He has everything an AD carry wants minus an escape. His damage is definitely below average but I think he makes up for that with his utility, poke, and burst. Then again I feel like Ezreal is perfectly fine as is. I think that champion releases like Varus are really good. He's just decent, he's got things that some ADs don't and he's missing things that other ADs have. He isn't like op or ban worthy but I don't think he's bad either. I'd rather have releases of consistently unique and fun champs thant consistently balanced yet boring ones. I think that 'boring' is a term that is pretty relative though. In my opinion Corki, Ez, and Graves are the only 'fun' AD carries. I don't think Varus is like run of the mill or anything. Would it be cool if he was more unique? Definitely. But I'd much rather Riot have releases with champions that are average at their role than releases where a champion outshines everyone else in their role (Vayne, Graves, Ahri, to name a few).
My main concern is that skills or passives like increase attack speed or movement speed every hit and such have been used to death. Most new champs seem like a mix of different skills such as these. I know it's a pretty subjective issue, but I'd rather see them pulling out new champs with unique features -even if it's just one sole skill that makes that champ shine- than new dull ones. Champs that shine in terms of its uniqueness as opposed to whether they fit one of the main roles.
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On May 09 2012 07:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
If you don't take Flash on Janna that's fine, but you have to resign to the fact that you are forced into a very defensive position in lane and won't be able to help your lanemate trade until they've blown quite a bit of shit on him or else you'd die.
That's not true. Pick your fights better.
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On May 09 2012 07:22 Terranasaur wrote:
Played against 3 varus today. Each one built cloak and dagger. Is it in his recommended items or are people just being dumb?
Not on the recommended. Its not a terrible item.
I have to say As/AP varus hits pretty hard especially when you have 400+ ap and Madred BR
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On May 09 2012 07:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
There's nothing manly about feeding and accomplishing nothing. If you don't take Flash on Janna that's fine, but you have to resign to the fact that you are forced into a very defensive position in lane and won't be able to help your lanemate trade until they've blown quite a bit of shit on him or else you'd die.
So you take flash, you trade in lane, you're forced to flash. Now you can't do anything in lane anymore till they've blown quite a bit of shit on him.
It's like saying people without flash are a free gank. You go to gank, make them blow their flash, they're a free kill for ~2minutes now despite having flash for a summoner.
CV is really underrated, especially later in the game when everyone has oracles and is camping in the jungle and shit.
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I think Cloak & Dagger is a pretty underrated item for AD carries,they could use the tenacity
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