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On May 09 2012 07:32 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
If you don't take Flash on Janna that's fine, but you have to resign to the fact that you are forced into a very defensive position in lane and won't be able to help your lanemate trade until they've blown quite a bit of shit on him or else you'd die. That's not true. Pick your fights better.
You CAN'T. I mean sure if they make a mistake or if your jungler is ganking that's a different story, but otherwise that's like telling mid players not to take ignite because you just have to pick your fight better. Having or not having a certain summoner fundamentally changes your hero's limits and therefore directly affects how you can lane up to the point where you actually use the summoner.
For a support like Janna, the way you can position yourself is dependent on whether you have Flash, because if you have Flash it's much easier to force them to split damage which is what wins fights bot-lane.
That said, you don't HAVE to have flash, and there's nothing wrong with not taking Flash imo, but it DOES mean you can't play as aggressively as the support which = not as manly.
Aka flash lets you be manly.
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Actually in a different point janna definitely needs flash if any support does because of flash ult this discussion is stupid.
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On May 09 2012 07:52 MooMooMugi wrote:
I think Cloak & Dagger is a pretty underrated item for AD carries,they could use the tenacity
The problem with Cloak and Dagger is the same problem with Spellblade, it's slot inefficient and swapping boots to Merc's is cheaper. On an AD carry you're trading 25% attack speed for 24 MR and 35 Tenacity at a cost of 606g, less than half the cost of Cloak and Dagger. The remainder can go toward parts for Zeal/PD, a Chain Vest or Negatron for defense etc.
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On May 09 2012 07:52 MooMooMugi wrote:
I think Cloak & Dagger is a pretty underrated item for AD carries,they could use the tenacity
The question isnt' whether or not C&D is a good item, it's whether or not it's worth giving up an item slot/gold for it. What would u eliminate/delay from your build to get C&D?
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QSS/G.A/Banshees, use C&D for early -mid game till late game then sell when you have enough for either item
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He asked what you are eliminating or delaying. You didnt answer.
Assuming IE->PD->LW which of those 3 gets delayed?
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C&D feels like such a waste, carries already fill their item slots extremely fast. If you need the tenacity get mercs.
Flash->Ulti is meh. Flash on Janna has about the power of old cv (before latest nerfs) in support value but exhaust/heal is just so much better in anything but even skirmishes (getting ganks pre 6 and getting ganked pre 6 and late and mid game 5v5 in general I only play flash/exhaust and flash/CV but denying the value of heal/exhaust is not good at as it is a solid choice (or heal/clairvoyance).
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On May 09 2012 06:46 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Top Lane Blitz.
Viable?
Mogwai says yes.
Also, I know WW used to be a go-to counter for Irelia, is it still the case now? If so, could somebody explain why, and how would you play the lane? Got a buddy trying to learn WW top (his other is Sejuani, he's bad in general, so let's not talk about his performance) and Irelia is his terror, he invariably gets destroyed and asks for ganks.
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On May 09 2012 07:31 kemoryan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:22 overt wrote:On May 09 2012 07:12 kemoryan wrote:On May 09 2012 06:59 overt wrote:On May 09 2012 06:55 heroyi wrote:
What do you guys think of varus?
He doesnt seem that great. Really boring if anything. My biggest problem with him is that he has little to none escape capabilities...that and his dps is meh
He has everything an AD carry wants minus an escape. His damage is definitely below average but I think he makes up for that with his utility, poke, and burst. Then again I feel like Ezreal is perfectly fine as is. I think that champion releases like Varus are really good. He's just decent, he's got things that some ADs don't and he's missing things that other ADs have. He isn't like op or ban worthy but I don't think he's bad either. I'd rather have releases of consistently unique and fun champs thant consistently balanced yet boring ones. I think that 'boring' is a term that is pretty relative though. In my opinion Corki, Ez, and Graves are the only 'fun' AD carries. I don't think Varus is like run of the mill or anything. Would it be cool if he was more unique? Definitely. But I'd much rather Riot have releases with champions that are average at their role than releases where a champion outshines everyone else in their role (Vayne, Graves, Ahri, to name a few). My main concern is that skills or passives like increase attack speed or movement speed every hit and such have been used to death. Most new champs seem like a mix of different skills such as these. I know it's a pretty subjective issue, but I'd rather see them pulling out new champs with unique features -even if it's just one sole skill that makes that champ shine- than new dull ones. Champs that shine in terms of its uniqueness as opposed to whether they fit one of the main roles.
Maybe i am just uncreative, but i have a very hard time to think of any unique spell mechanic that could not be described as a variant or combination of other spells. Basically, stuff either does damage, heals, buffs some stat, slows, stuns or snares stuff, and/or moves units hit or yourself. It is either a skillshot, an AE skillshot, or point and click. So making a truely new mechanic is not very easy. One could even say that varus's charging q and slowly target-jumping r are pretty unique.
My main problem with varus is purely subjective, i think he is butt-ugly, his walking looks ridiculous, and i don't really like his shooting animation either.
Just from watching him being played in every single game i played today, he seems not too bad, probably a bit good at the moment because people can't really estimate what exactly he can do at a given point. I also wouldn't say he feels too much like other ad carries, though those all have a tendency to feel the same in the later stages of the game anyways.
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On May 09 2012 07:15 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 06:39 wei2coolman wrote:On May 09 2012 06:37 Slayer91 wrote:On May 09 2012 06:36 JackDino wrote:On May 09 2012 06:32 Slayer91 wrote:On May 09 2012 06:29 wei2coolman wrote:On May 09 2012 05:12 Mogwai wrote:On May 09 2012 05:09 Xacez wrote:
What's the current state of CV vs Exhaust for Support nowadays? CV got smacked up twice, once with the jungle remake, once with a direct CD and duration nerf. Exhaust is generally preferred atm. When I play MAN MODE JANNA I run both. You can be manlier with flash because if they blow shit to kill you you flash out so you just play balls out way more than your silly cv exhaust nonsense. How the hell is flashing out manly, balls deep or go home. If going "balls deep" means dying in 1 second then sure. Enjoy that. I can play agressive as hell and flash out at the last second if they go for me, you play more passively just in case they go to insta gib you and then off. Logic? If you're not flashign into middle of the enemy team, you're doing it wrong. FLASH BALLS DEEP Yeah which is why taking cv exhaust is the manly way to go?
CV exhuast is there to 1v1 their AD Carry, while cving their jungle on target. AD JANNA.
flash exhaust is for all other support. OBVIOUSLY.
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nvm its to early to tell.
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On May 09 2012 08:26 Bladeorade wrote:
He asked what you are eliminating or delaying. You didnt answer.
Assuming IE->PD->LW which of those 3 gets delayed?
You delay neither one of those items....usually in a ranged AD build you build one defensive item based on the situation, C&D can be a filler because its cheap until late game
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You delay because you invest the gold before you buy one of those.
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On May 09 2012 09:00 MooMooMugi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 08:26 Bladeorade wrote:
He asked what you are eliminating or delaying. You didnt answer.
Assuming IE->PD->LW which of those 3 gets delayed? You delay neither one of those items....usually in a ranged AD build you build one defensive item based on the situation, C&D can be a filler because its cheap until late game
If you've finished IE + PD + LW it's already late-game unless you're really, really fed. 1450g for "filler" is also expensive at any stage of the game.
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Dyrus thinking about running Volibear in scrim.
He shouts every time he autos on a champ, uses frenzy, and roars when he charges(This is Dyrus, mind you, not Volibear).
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What everyone else said I have no idea what you are even trying to argue now.
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On May 09 2012 09:05 Praetorial wrote:
Dyrus thinking about running Volibear in scrim.
He shouts every time he autos on a champ, uses frenzy, and roars when he charges(This is Dyrus, mind you, not Volibear).
TONS OF DAMAGE
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OH mah gawd!
TheOddOne playing DotA by Basshunter on stream! It's the traitorous song!
Ever since Regi got back he seems to be a lot more comfortable in the game, swearing less. He's also not playing Udyr, going for mao and lee instead. He just seems to have lightened up, definitely a really nice streamer ATM.
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On May 09 2012 08:37 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 07:31 kemoryan wrote:On May 09 2012 07:22 overt wrote:On May 09 2012 07:12 kemoryan wrote:On May 09 2012 06:59 overt wrote:On May 09 2012 06:55 heroyi wrote:
What do you guys think of varus?
He doesnt seem that great. Really boring if anything. My biggest problem with him is that he has little to none escape capabilities...that and his dps is meh
He has everything an AD carry wants minus an escape. His damage is definitely below average but I think he makes up for that with his utility, poke, and burst. Then again I feel like Ezreal is perfectly fine as is. I think that champion releases like Varus are really good. He's just decent, he's got things that some ADs don't and he's missing things that other ADs have. He isn't like op or ban worthy but I don't think he's bad either. I'd rather have releases of consistently unique and fun champs thant consistently balanced yet boring ones. I think that 'boring' is a term that is pretty relative though. In my opinion Corki, Ez, and Graves are the only 'fun' AD carries. I don't think Varus is like run of the mill or anything. Would it be cool if he was more unique? Definitely. But I'd much rather Riot have releases with champions that are average at their role than releases where a champion outshines everyone else in their role (Vayne, Graves, Ahri, to name a few). My main concern is that skills or passives like increase attack speed or movement speed every hit and such have been used to death. Most new champs seem like a mix of different skills such as these. I know it's a pretty subjective issue, but I'd rather see them pulling out new champs with unique features -even if it's just one sole skill that makes that champ shine- than new dull ones. Champs that shine in terms of its uniqueness as opposed to whether they fit one of the main roles. Maybe i am just uncreative, but i have a very hard time to think of any unique spell mechanic that could not be described as a variant or combination of other spells. Basically, stuff either does damage, heals, buffs some stat, slows, stuns or snares stuff, and/or moves units hit or yourself. It is either a skillshot, an AE skillshot, or point and click. So making a truely new mechanic is not very easy. One could even say that varus's charging q and slowly target-jumping r are pretty unique. My main problem with varus is purely subjective, i think he is butt-ugly, his walking looks ridiculous, and i don't really like his shooting animation either. Just from watching him being played in every single game i played today, he seems not too bad, probably a bit good at the moment because people can't really estimate what exactly he can do at a given point. I also wouldn't say he feels too much like other ad carries, though those all have a tendency to feel the same in the later stages of the game anyways.
Shape shifting, aka reaver+shuttle type ability would be awesome. Something like a pigeon and emu and emu is attack form and pigeon is move form. AE spell shields, also oblivion ring / cyclone that removes you from combat does not exist.
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odd one pops shurelias and then procedes to cockblock dyrus, they then seem confused as to why they cant catch someone.
too stronk.
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