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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
May 08 2012 20:22 GMT
#1701
On May 09 2012 05:09 Xacez wrote:
What's the current state of CV vs Exhaust for Support nowadays?

Be a man and run both.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
May 08 2012 20:27 GMT
#1702
Sona's flash ult is devastating, I would never not run flash on her. Same goes for Ali, he can use flash q w, or cleanse with r and flash out to survive, so the offensive/defensive utility of the summoner is great on him. I can see soraka getting away with out running flash though.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 20:31:07
May 08 2012 20:30 GMT
#1703
So apparently solo top Kayle bodies Vlad. Dyrus getting wrecked by Angush. One of these meta things where kayle becomes super strong. The of range+slow+burst damage is prefect against vlad but not so much against bruisers who either sustain a lot or jump in when you're on cds.

edit: dyrus was forced back twice and almost died but still doing ok on cs lol.
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 20:32:31
May 08 2012 20:31 GMT
#1704
On May 09 2012 05:30 Slayer91 wrote:
So apparently solo top Kayle bodies Vlad. Dyrus getting wrecked by Angush. One of these meta things where kayle becomes super strong. The of range+slow+burst damage is prefect against vlad but not so much against bruisers who either sustain a lot or jump in when you're on cds.

edit: dyrus was forced back twice and almost died but still doing ok on cs lol.


Eh, Kayle does very well against Riven, and Riven is exactly the kind of bruiser that jumps a lot...

You shouldn't have your stuff on CD if your opponent hasn't used his jump, I think.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
May 08 2012 20:33 GMT
#1705
On May 09 2012 05:31 bmn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 05:30 Slayer91 wrote:
So apparently solo top Kayle bodies Vlad. Dyrus getting wrecked by Angush. One of these meta things where kayle becomes super strong. The of range+slow+burst damage is prefect against vlad but not so much against bruisers who either sustain a lot or jump in when you're on cds.

edit: dyrus was forced back twice and almost died but still doing ok on cs lol.


Eh, Kayle does very well against Riven, and Riven is exactly the kind of bruiser that jumps a lot...


But not particularly far at any one time. If you can close the entire gap between you and Kayle it's a problem for her, but Riven can't do that if Kayle is paying attention.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 20:34:44
May 08 2012 20:34 GMT
#1706
Rivens jumps are some of her damage though, it's not the irelia type who can jump in at any time. If riven needs Q's to gap close she loses a lot of damage. Rivens more anti melee where she can use Q to chase while attacking in lane.

And your stuff will be on CD because you need E to push/harass same with Q, you still have your heal I guess.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
May 08 2012 20:40 GMT
#1707
Garen also seems to shit on vlad unless vlad has a lot of armour, not much you can do if garen charges at you with Q, either you pool and lose lots of hp, or you get silenced and lose lots of hp+spin.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 20:46:45
May 08 2012 20:41 GMT
#1708
Eh,why is oddone running flash on shyvana?
Was he like trying to counter jungle and took he doesn't die pre 6 or something?
Cackle™
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 08 2012 20:41 GMT
#1709
Just tried TF, damn, choosing the right card is annoying when you look at your spell bar by reflex instead of trying to see on top of your... nevermind, too much particles flying all over to see anything. Also, all game long I missed like less than 10 AP to one-shot the caster minions with wild card, frustrating as hell. And relying on 2 spells, even on low cooldown, really is strange, not used to it at all.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
May 08 2012 20:47 GMT
#1710
I've played as Riven against Kayle twice, and both times it was hell just to get cs early, but each game I got one gank and was able to snowball the lane from there. Kayle is going to be able to poke and harass the crap out Riven, but one bad positioning mistake and Riven will do more damage in a strait 1v1 when they're on top of each other. Just wait for Kayle to go in for a last hit while her e is on cd and you can catch her in the auto q auto chain.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 08 2012 21:05 GMT
#1711
On May 09 2012 05:41 Alaric wrote:
Just tried TF, damn, choosing the right card is annoying when you look at your spell bar by reflex instead of trying to see on top of your... nevermind, too much particles flying all over to see anything. Also, all game long I missed like less than 10 AP to one-shot the caster minions with wild card, frustrating as hell. And relying on 2 spells, even on low cooldown, really is strange, not used to it at all.


Well it's a set pattern so you only need to see first card.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
May 08 2012 21:27 GMT
#1712
On May 09 2012 05:41 TheKefka wrote:
Eh,why is oddone running flash on shyvana?
Was he like trying to counter jungle and took he doesn't die pre 6 or something?

Dragon in steal baron flash out.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 08 2012 21:29 GMT
#1713
On May 09 2012 05:12 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 05:09 Xacez wrote:
What's the current state of CV vs Exhaust for Support nowadays?

CV got smacked up twice, once with the jungle remake, once with a direct CD and duration nerf. Exhaust is generally preferred atm.

When I play MAN MODE JANNA I run both.
liftlift > tsm
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
May 08 2012 21:31 GMT
#1714
On May 09 2012 05:47 Sabin010 wrote:
I've played as Riven against Kayle twice, and both times it was hell just to get cs early, but each game I got one gank and was able to snowball the lane from there. Kayle is going to be able to poke and harass the crap out Riven, but one bad positioning mistake and Riven will do more damage in a strait 1v1 when they're on top of each other. Just wait for Kayle to go in for a last hit while her e is on cd and you can catch her in the auto q auto chain.

Riven doesn't really do much more damage in a 1v1.

Relying on your opponent to make a positioning mistake is not good. Kayle shits on Riven horribly.

Also Kayle shits on Irelia from level 2 and gains such a big lead that Irelia has to farm while Kayle roams and gets objectives.

The only champions I have ever had issues with as Kayle are Pantheon (duh he shits on AD carries,) Lee Sin (which is just a skill based matchup but Lee can engage and disengage at will) and Olaf once he hits 6 as you cannot kite him but prior to him hitting 6 he should be farming with Q.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 08 2012 21:32 GMT
#1715
On May 09 2012 06:29 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 05:12 Mogwai wrote:
On May 09 2012 05:09 Xacez wrote:
What's the current state of CV vs Exhaust for Support nowadays?

CV got smacked up twice, once with the jungle remake, once with a direct CD and duration nerf. Exhaust is generally preferred atm.

When I play MAN MODE JANNA I run both.


You can be manlier with flash because if they blow shit to kill you you flash out so you just play balls out way more than your silly cv exhaust nonsense.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 08 2012 21:34 GMT
#1716
Okay b4 shitstorm.
I've recently been playing a lot more toplane.
I have a question, when is it worth running gp10 on toplane? or what situation should I run it? Is it a good in a lane you're getting shat on, or do you run it on a lane you're dominating?

I know this has been talked to death. a link to the discussion for it would be okay as an answer as well.
liftlift > tsm
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 21:37:11
May 08 2012 21:36 GMT
#1717
Very rarely, hog is sometimes ok towards the end of the laning phase, because hp is good for dragon fights and stuff and items won't make a large difference to the laning phase but you don't want randuins for 10-15 minutes.

gold/10 discussions have been about support people learn the hard way that gp 10s in lane can be bad for you.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
May 08 2012 21:36 GMT
#1718
On May 09 2012 06:32 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 06:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 09 2012 05:12 Mogwai wrote:
On May 09 2012 05:09 Xacez wrote:
What's the current state of CV vs Exhaust for Support nowadays?

CV got smacked up twice, once with the jungle remake, once with a direct CD and duration nerf. Exhaust is generally preferred atm.

When I play MAN MODE JANNA I run both.


You can be manlier with flash because if they blow shit to kill you you flash out so you just play balls out way more than your silly cv exhaust nonsense.

How the hell is flashing out manly, balls deep or go home.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 21:38:20
May 08 2012 21:37 GMT
#1719
On May 09 2012 06:36 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 06:32 Slayer91 wrote:
On May 09 2012 06:29 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 09 2012 05:12 Mogwai wrote:
On May 09 2012 05:09 Xacez wrote:
What's the current state of CV vs Exhaust for Support nowadays?

CV got smacked up twice, once with the jungle remake, once with a direct CD and duration nerf. Exhaust is generally preferred atm.

When I play MAN MODE JANNA I run both.


You can be manlier with flash because if they blow shit to kill you you flash out so you just play balls out way more than your silly cv exhaust nonsense.

How the hell is flashing out manly, balls deep or go home.


If going "balls deep" means dying in 1 second then sure. Enjoy that. I can play agressive as hell and flash out at the last second if they go for me, you play more passively just in case they go to insta gib you and then off. Logic?
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
May 08 2012 21:37 GMT
#1720
On May 09 2012 06:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay b4 shitstorm.
I've recently been playing a lot more toplane.
I have a question, when is it worth running gp10 on toplane? or what situation should I run it? Is it a good in a lane you're getting shat on, or do you run it on a lane you're dominating?

I know this has been talked to death. a link to the discussion for it would be okay as an answer as well.

You run it if you feel like AFK farming for a while, if you need/a little bit of sustain and Shurelyas, or if you need/want health.

EX. Shen getting HoG, Nasus with Hog and Philo
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