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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22474 Posts
May 08 2012 19:27 GMT
#1681
Problem with AP varus is he doesnt scale hard enough with AP. His ult might have ap scaling but you dont use it enough or have it even do enough in a teamfight (prob wont get more then 2 hits off it).
While there is AP scaling on his W aswell the health % is 0.01 so needs major AP and the passive damage would indeed be nice but as said before by the time it actualy starts mattering your entering lategame and you just want the scaling AD gives.

In the end i do believe the superior scaling of AD (through the synergy between crit/asp/dmg) will always win out.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
May 08 2012 19:30 GMT
#1682
All of this discussion on Alistar combos and nobody has mentioned REW yet? I think being able to gap-close to your allies with a 200% heal is definitely worth the "wasted" ult cooldown sometimes...
=O
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 19:31:59
May 08 2012 19:30 GMT
#1683
On May 09 2012 04:24 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 04:12 nosliw wrote:
On May 08 2012 10:47 HazMat wrote:
Neo and Turd are talking about EQ. It's a combo that lets your E heal for 100% to allies instead of 50%.

so HazMat is just trolling right?

I'm a little slow on the uptake and still not sure exactly what this means after it's been stated several times. What are the mechanics behind the combo that make it 100% for allies. Just a glitch/bug?

Think it's related to the double aoe damage buff they supposedly patched out, shake used to abuse it with morde E all the time aswell.
On May 09 2012 04:30 Shifft wrote:
All of this discussion on Alistar combos and nobody has mentioned REW yet? I think being able to gap-close to your allies with a 200% heal is definitely worth the "wasted" ult cooldown sometimes...

Now this is just plain trolling, everyone knows R doesn't give bonus AP anymore.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
May 08 2012 19:31 GMT
#1684
On May 09 2012 04:24 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 04:12 nosliw wrote:
On May 08 2012 10:47 HazMat wrote:
Neo and Turd are talking about EQ. It's a combo that lets your E heal for 100% to allies instead of 50%.

so HazMat is just trolling right?

I'm a little slow on the uptake and still not sure exactly what this means after it's been stated several times. What are the mechanics behind the combo that make it 100% for allies. Just a glitch/bug?


Its a glitch in Haz's brain
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
May 08 2012 19:42 GMT
#1685
Typical tsm, always get smashed, roll over enemy anyways with massive aoe.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
May 08 2012 19:43 GMT
#1686
On May 09 2012 04:30 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 04:24 mordek wrote:
On May 09 2012 04:12 nosliw wrote:
On May 08 2012 10:47 HazMat wrote:
Neo and Turd are talking about EQ. It's a combo that lets your E heal for 100% to allies instead of 50%.

so HazMat is just trolling right?

I'm a little slow on the uptake and still not sure exactly what this means after it's been stated several times. What are the mechanics behind the combo that make it 100% for allies. Just a glitch/bug?

Think it's related to the double aoe damage buff they supposedly patched out, shake used to abuse it with morde E all the time aswell.
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 04:30 Shifft wrote:
All of this discussion on Alistar combos and nobody has mentioned REW yet? I think being able to gap-close to your allies with a 200% heal is definitely worth the "wasted" ult cooldown sometimes...

Now this is just plain trolling, everyone knows R doesn't give bonus AP anymore.


His R gives bonus ad now though. I use it in conjunction with wq while ganking or pushing towers.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
May 08 2012 19:48 GMT
#1687
Best damage bug was the one where if something died while a spell was being cast the game would reallocate that damage to the targets that still got hit. So if Annie dropped tibbers on a champ and a minion, but the minion died before the damage ticked but after it was registered as supposed to take damage tibbers would double up on the champion.

I think I remember one screenshot from over the summer in a GD thread where tibbers dealt tripple damage to someone.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
May 08 2012 19:49 GMT
#1688
On May 09 2012 04:09 Terranasaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 04:03 cascades wrote:
Wut do if your red and wraiths get stolen and you aren't fast enough to run to his red and take it?

*Especially when you don't know your shit been taken.


Tax whichever laner wasn't guarding your jungle allowing it to be invaded. Nothing I hate more than assholes sitting at towers waiting for minions to spawn.


Yeah and game descends into even more whining since u never gank steal my creeps blah blah.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
May 08 2012 19:54 GMT
#1689
reginald worst kennen NA lol
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
May 08 2012 19:55 GMT
#1690
On May 09 2012 04:27 Gorsameth wrote:
Problem with AP varus is he doesnt scale hard enough with AP. His ult might have ap scaling but you dont use it enough or have it even do enough in a teamfight (prob wont get more then 2 hits off it).
While there is AP scaling on his W aswell the health % is 0.01 so needs major AP and the passive damage would indeed be nice but as said before by the time it actualy starts mattering your entering lategame and you just want the scaling AD gives.

In the end i do believe the superior scaling of AD (through the synergy between crit/asp/dmg) will always win out.


The discussion is more about hybrid Varus than straight AP Varus. Straight AP fails because without attack speed you can't apply blight stacks quickly or safely. His ult is an afterthought (though a sweet, delicious one), it's abusing W which is really the goal of the build.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
May 08 2012 19:55 GMT
#1691
On May 09 2012 04:48 Two_DoWn wrote:
Best damage bug was the one where if something died while a spell was being cast the game would reallocate that damage to the targets that still got hit. So if Annie dropped tibbers on a champ and a minion, but the minion died before the damage ticked but after it was registered as supposed to take damage tibbers would double up on the champion.

I think I remember one screenshot from over the summer in a GD thread where tibbers dealt tripple damage to someone.

I remember that, I refused to believe the game was that broken. Lvl 6 1k dmg tibbers.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 20:01:33
May 08 2012 20:00 GMT
#1692
That kennen vlad combo is such bullshit since m5 started using it it like never loses lol.

You can't split push because of vlad and kennen+vlad have really strong poke and sustain as well as strong teamfighting.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 20:00:41
May 08 2012 20:00 GMT
#1693
On May 09 2012 04:55 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 04:48 Two_DoWn wrote:
Best damage bug was the one where if something died while a spell was being cast the game would reallocate that damage to the targets that still got hit. So if Annie dropped tibbers on a champ and a minion, but the minion died before the damage ticked but after it was registered as supposed to take damage tibbers would double up on the champion.

I think I remember one screenshot from over the summer in a GD thread where tibbers dealt tripple damage to someone.

I remember that, I refused to believe the game was that broken. Lvl 6 1k dmg tibbers.

Ya it came in a patch right after they fixed the double damage bug where you could doublecast aoe spells, so I argued that it wasnt bugged, cuz riot said they fixed it.

Then I did the math to prove my point and realized that it wasnt a double damage bug. It trippled.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 08 2012 20:03 GMT
#1694
qtpie on varus featured right now on na, his team pretty behind now
Carrilord has arrived.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 08 2012 20:04 GMT
#1695
So is anyone running Heal anymore since the nerf?
It's your boy Guzma!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 08 2012 20:07 GMT
#1696
On May 09 2012 05:04 Requizen wrote:
So is anyone running Heal anymore since the nerf?

yea, some people still do, but thankfully it's dropped a noticeable amount in popularity. Was so frustrating to play vs. 3+ heals.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
May 08 2012 20:09 GMT
#1697
What's the current state of CV vs Exhaust for Support nowadays?
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 08 2012 20:10 GMT
#1698
Heal more than anything has been what killed burst comps IMO. Soraka+AD carry with heal was just almost unburstable. AD carries gained a lot in power since heal came around.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 08 2012 20:11 GMT
#1699
On May 09 2012 05:09 Xacez wrote:
What's the current state of CV vs Exhaust for Support nowadays?

exhaust generally better for laning, but CV is gamebreaking lategame.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 08 2012 20:12 GMT
#1700
On May 09 2012 05:09 Xacez wrote:
What's the current state of CV vs Exhaust for Support nowadays?

CV got smacked up twice, once with the jungle remake, once with a direct CD and duration nerf. Exhaust is generally preferred atm.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
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