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MetalMarine
United States1559 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 11 2012 02:55 unichan wrote: how playable is trist solo top compared to corki I think she fairly good top, actually. I play her top literally every time I see a Yorick. You have mobility advantage, do more damage (both burst and over time), and kill his sustain with your healing debuff. Closest Yorick can get to winning top against a Trist is making it a free farm, which is a huuge loss for Yorick come late game, obviously. I wouldn't pick her against mobile top laners though, her jump slower than Corki's and unlike Corki if she gets stunned haklfway through she literally stops right where she stunned. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Do you get friends willing to let you try that champ/pos and hop into draft normals, or do you simply instalock whichever champ you want to try with a big "deal w/ it" for your teammates? | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On May 11 2012 09:17 turdburgler wrote: ashe vayne kog and trist all bring something unique to the table, i think you are underrating her. 99% of games never get to 6 items where cait is weakest. people saying cait is weak is more to do with people who fail to play her correctly. the hugest thing about low elo play is that people dont know how to poke/trade without losing massive amounts of cs, so cait players dont maximise their advantage. they then come out of lane with the same items as the other carrry and claim cait sucks. I've seen her played by my friend(he loves Cait) and various pro streams. She just doesn't have the kit compared to the other AD carrys imo. Nice escape, some utility with traps, decent poke, and then her garbage, albeit excellent at times, ult. Her passive is pretty weak as well really. In the end, she only scales off of items. Nothing to buff her AAs. just feels... Kinda mehish. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:07 Alaric wrote: How do you do when you want to try a new champ in a "popular" position? I'm trying to get a Talon game, and since I don't have anybody logged at this time I can't go into draft normals, I'd be 3rd pick at best (more reallistically 4th-5th) and wouldn't get mid, so I'm queueing into blind normals, picking Talon w/o locking, and saying "Hi, I'd like to play mid if possible", polite and stuff. There's been 5 dodges in a row, with stuff like GP calling mid after me, LB instalocking as soon as she sees I'm asking for that lane, Shaco calling top then capsing "I GO SOLO" when somebody expresses surprise at a top Shaco, and finally I had to dodge myself to not play a support Talon (duh, if I wanted to practice support I would pick it instead of asking if I can get mid). Do you get friends willing to let you try that champ/pos and hop into draft normals, or do you simply instalock whichever champ you want to try with a big "deal w/ it" for your teammates? I get four friends and play Draft personally. I can't deal with blind. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
You weren't there when we had: AP varus Mumu Fiddle Jarvan Morgana I think? AoE CLUSTERFUCK OF DOOOOOOOMMMMMM. We were behind like 3-14 in laning phase but then every teamfight was just a hilarious instant stomp. Jarvan flash-ults. I fire my hentai tentacle ult. Morg/Fiddle/Mumu jump in and ult. Everything died instantly it was great. STRONG | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:28 Alaric wrote: Got a game finally. Blind pick. Counter Xerath in other team. Fml. x) I don't really consider xer a counterpick [to talon], you'll either tie in lane or win. Unless you get hit by his spells, ofc, but that's all about player skill. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:02 iCanada wrote: I think she fairly good top, actually. I play her top literally every time I see a Yorick. You have mobility advantage, do more damage (both burst and over time), and kill his sustain with your healing debuff. Closest Yorick can get to winning top against a Trist is making it a free farm, which is a huuge loss for Yorick come late game, obviously. I wouldn't pick her against mobile top laners though, her jump slower than Corki's and unlike Corki if she gets stunned haklfway through she literally stops right where she stunned. I have a hard time believing this works. Tristana's burst might be slightly better than Yorick's IF you use Rocket Jump for damage, but if you do that you're going to end up burning Flash or dying. Tristana's over time damage is minuscule compared to Yorick until she has about 10k gold. Tristana is pretty much the only AD carry that isn't a strong solo laner (probably Twitch as well). | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I know he's a dull character, but the game was kinda boring because of that. :/ | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:40 Alzadar wrote: I have a hard time believing this works. Tristana's burst might be slightly better than Yorick's IF you use Rocket Jump for damage, but if you do that you're going to end up burning Flash or dying. Tristana's over time damage is minuscule compared to Yorick until she has about 10k gold. Tristana is pretty much the only AD carry that isn't a strong solo laner (probably Twitch as well). ...Trist is a really strong solo AD. Wtf are you on? Trist has insane early game burst, one of the highest out of all ADs. She can out-burst AP carries in lane before they get big items np. Trist was a very common solo laner back when AD carries got solos. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 11 2012 11:18 Ryuu314 wrote: ...Trist is a really strong solo AD. Wtf are you on? Trist has insane early game burst, one of the highest out of all ADs. She can out-burst AP carries in lane before they get big items np. Trist was a very common solo laner back when AD carries got solos. Yeah, her burst is huge. And Yorick can't sustain damage on you unless you fail epically at positioning... | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On May 11 2012 11:18 Ryuu314 wrote: ...Trist is a really strong solo AD. Wtf are you on? Trist has insane early game burst, one of the highest out of all ADs. She can out-burst AP carries in lane before they get big items np. Trist was a very common solo laner back when AD carries got solos. Her burst at level 5 is what, 270 magic damage? That's about the same as the average AP (e.g. Annie has 265 from QW without scaling, Galio 250 from QE), except she has to blow her escape move to use it, putting her directly on the enemy. It may have been common but I'm pretty confident it's bad. Again, literally every ranged AD except maybe Twitch has a better kit for a solo lane. Tristana does good burst, it's true, but she has to go all-in to use it. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 11 2012 11:48 Alzadar wrote: Her burst at level 5 is what, 270 magic damage? That's about the same as the average AP (e.g. Annie has 265 from QW without scaling, Galio 250 from QE), except she has to blow her escape move to use it, putting her directly on the enemy. It may have been common but I'm pretty confident it's bad. Again, literally every ranged AD except maybe Twitch has a better kit for a solo lane. Tristana does good burst, it's true, but she has to go all-in to use it. You forgot about the part where if she nets the kill, her escape comes off CD again, and she can get out, even from the counter-kill. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On May 11 2012 11:51 TheYango wrote: You forgot about the part where if she nets the kill, her escape comes off CD again, and she can get out, even from the counter-kill. How is that relevant in a solo lane? (it's coincidentally revenant in the vs Yorick case, but you have to kill him first) | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
As Trist v. Yorick, you just sit back and harass with autos and E. Use W when you want to commit to a kill. I guarantee you, Yorick will not outtrade Trist. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
And idk why you hate on twitch he has insannneee damage with his passive and expunge combined with his q Just dont pick him into corki mid corki's q still reveals his stealth Bugged i think | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 11 2012 11:48 Alzadar wrote: Her burst at level 5 is what, 270 magic damage? That's about the same as the average AP (e.g. Annie has 265 from QW without scaling, Galio 250 from QE), except she has to blow her escape move to use it, putting her directly on the enemy. It may have been common but I'm pretty confident it's bad. Again, literally every ranged AD except maybe Twitch has a better kit for a solo lane. Tristana does good burst, it's true, but she has to go all-in to use it. Dude, did you even play this game when AD carries would solo? A good Trist could win lane against any other AD carry. One mistake and Trist will burst you down, it's the reason why most Trist players ran Ignite instead of Ghost or Exhaust. You even admit that Trist has more burst than Annie at level 5 lol. That's pretty huge. Also, yes, you have to burn your escape but that only means something if the enemy jungler is coming to gank your lane or is close enough to catch you after you kill his laner. And if you do kill the laner your W is gonna refresh anyways. On May 11 2012 09:56 Nafaltar wrote: Caitlyn doesn't really have a much better lane phase than other AD's. Most of her advantages shrink considerably or even disappear entirely once you factor in the supports. As she simply can't take a standing fight post lvl6 vs any other AD and many support+ad combos can already start getting aggressive on her at lvl3 themselves. I mean being a ranged AD with high range and sitting in the bottom lane for laning phase she doesn't run into counterpicking problems like other chars, so yeah she will never be really horrible as a choice, but she will be the worst choice out of the designated AD carries most of the time. Other "bad" champions have bigger or more common niches of play where they are actually competitive choices in my opinion. No one can deny Cait farm. She's gonna get farmed in any lane unless you play terribly. And early levels she's going to force your team's AD carry to give up CS or blow all of their pots really early. She doesn't have to take a standing fight post 6, she outranges everyone but Kog at that point in the game (actually Trist might outrange her at 6, but I don't think she does). Just because she takes more finesse and you have to actually kite and think when you play her doesn't mean she's worse. Late game she has the second highest base attack range, only behind Trist. She has good poke, she has utility with her traps for sieging and defending turrets, and she has an escape. Literally the only thing that she's missing is an attack steroid but that doesn't stop Ashe or Urgot from being viable, granted they're viable because in the case of Ashe you trade damage for utility and in the case of Urgot you trade damage for being a tanky mofo. With Caitlyn you trade damage for being one of the safest ADs, having a balls crazy lane phase, and being probably the second best tower sieger in the game only behind Koggles. She went from one of the most played AD carries to rarely played after receiving a 20 damage nerf to her Q at level 5 and a -5 move speed nerf. The fact that she does less damage than other ADs late game doesn't mean much if your opponents can't get close to you since probably the only AD that kites better than Cait is Ashe. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
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