[Patch 1.0.0.139: Spectator Mode] General Discussion - Pag…

On May 11 2012 05:34 Alaric wrote:
Wouldn't GP be good against Poppy too, with his passive ticking like a DoT and stacking?

On May 11 2012 05:34 Alaric wrote:
Wouldn't GP be good against Poppy too, with his passive ticking like a DoT and stacking?

On May 11 2012 05:49 Juicyfruit wrote:
Shen's ulti is honestly an overrated aspect of his kit. It works for him because he's an innately strong champion, but ultimately a bunch of champions can replicate his strategies to some degree by just taking summoner teleport. It doesn't work exactly as well as Shen ulti but if Shen as a whole sucked, his ulti would not redeem him at all.

On May 11 2012 05:50 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
ehm, just wanna point out that Poppy obliterates GP in lane unless he specifically uses masteries and runes to counter her, and even then he loses.

Poppy is a very viable pick that counters GP, Panth, Trynd and is really stong vs Irelia and riven iirc.

Against a number of other top laners she can go even or just freeze the lane.

On May 11 2012 05:59 Mogwai wrote:
She does stomp Trynd though, you're definitely right on that one.

On May 11 2012 05:25 Gorsameth wrote:


Considering the scaling as mentioned you would need to get 10 hits in compared to landing a single E or Q to make even on the damage.

On May 11 2012 06:03 overt wrote:


You're ignoring the fact that ideal combo for Varus is to detonate your blight stacks with skills. E or Q is definitely better to max for lane harass but even maxed they have like double the CD of other AD carries harass. Considering that Varus with max Q or max E has trouble trading with other ADs and can't really harass as well due to his high CDs I think it's worth maxing W so that you can actually burst people down and trade effectively.

The difference between 6% of their max health and 15% is pretty huge. And like I said, regardless of your skill order you ideally don't want to use Q or E in a fight until after your opponent has max blight stacks anyway. E or Q might still be worth maxing first, I haven't played enough Varus to decide yet, but I don't feel like he trades too effectively with a maxed out Q as that's all I've seen Varus players do in lane so far. E might work better for him. Or W might. I just know that Q is probably not the skill to max first on him.

On May 11 2012 06:10 Alaric wrote:
Why wouldn't Irelia win in trades with Hiten style? Spec defensively against her to pass the first few levels, then trade anytime W is up.

On May 11 2012 05:59 Mogwai wrote:
that's funny, I've never had trouble with Panth vs. Poppy in lane. it's an awkward lane because he passive essentially gives your Q diminishing returns, but you can just max HSS and stab her I've found.

and the GP lane isn't that good for her either IMO. really hard to outdamage his healing from W and his passive makes drawn out fights go in his favor from my experience.

Poppy stomps people who don't adapt, but I don't really think she does much more than that in those two matchups. She does stomp Trynd though, you're definitely right on that one.

On May 11 2012 06:15 Ryuu314 wrote:
poppy can't beat GP if GP just goes oranges. If GP goes oranges it's just a farmfest.
I'm assuming you're talking about Poppy v. Irelia. By the time Irelia's W is significantly high level, Poppy should be far ahead. The problem with speccing defensively against Poppy is that her harass is mixed damage, which is hard to spec against. Even then, it's not hard to just kite Irelia when her W is up and trade when it's down. Poppy gets a free ghost with her W.

On May 11 2012 06:10 obesechicken13 wrote:
Has anyone watched games and tried to figure out which champions do the most damage during fights? I think AD carries start dealing too much once they get a PD and IE regardless of what they build after that.