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On May 11 2012 04:16 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 04:10 turdburgler wrote:
seems reasonable. doesnt cost mana to auto hit and makes your last hitting and poke better. what are other people saying you should level? I see most Varus level Q. On TL I saw people suggest Q and E but never W. I think max W helps his lower than average dps and I don't feel max Q is crazy strong in lane. Gonna try max W later for a few games and see how it works.
W adds 4 dmg per lvl after the first 10 while E gives you 40 extra dmg and Q gives a littl elss then that at min. charge. Both Q and E also gain reduced cd. While lvling W would also give you the % dmg your not going to be triggering it a lot with the rest of your abilties having such long cds.
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On May 11 2012 04:32 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 04:10 turdburgler wrote:
no doubt it will change but it seems to follow the same logic and playing mf, your aoe slow is a 1 point wonder in lane and your poke spell costs too much mana to be spammable early so just take the thing that helps you not only trade but last hit. Except the comparison between Make it Rain and Hail of Arrows doesn't work at all. Make it Rain has an aggressively scaling mana cost, doesn't have scaling CD, doesn't scale with AD, and has way shorter range, so it's practical usability is much lower. Honestly, I'd max Varus' E first.
ye but make it rain allows you to sing a long so its much better. hail of arrows ad scaling is from bonus ad though, so i dont know. it will be ages before people agree on anything but i just get the feeling that 24 damage a hit is too stronk.
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On May 11 2012 04:32 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 04:30 spinesheath wrote:
Poppy's passive doesn't do anything if you have a ton of resists and are at decent amounts of HP. It only kicks in when you take more than 10% of current HP damage in a single hit. It's not as strong for typical trades as you guys make it seem to be. Doesn't mean that her laning is bad though. Against certain champs, she's really good. Especially those who can't apply a crapton of small damage ticks, but instead focus on few attacks with high damage.
You definitely can't make it obvious you're picking Poppy and allow the enemy to counterpick: She can be shut down really hard (add Swain to the list of hardcounters imo). but thats like saying olafs passive is bad because if you are winning its less important.
I'm just saying that Poppy's passive isn't such a big issue for normal top lane trades because it hardly even triggers. It's godlike when you actually commit to a fight.
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On May 11 2012 04:34 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 04:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
The only yordle who doesnt suck massive ammounts of dick is Viegar. I would gladly remove every other one from the game. At this juncture in temporal causality I am experiencing severe trepidation due to gargantuan difficulty stymieing my attempts to accurately verify the solemn intentions of the statement I have heretofore cited.
I dont understand fancy talk.
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On May 11 2012 04:27 TheKefka wrote:
Veigar is trash.Ziggs ez #1.
How come people don't play rumble in tournaments?Is he just not figured out that much,does he have some really bad matchups or what?
People don't play Rumble in tourneys because of how obvious he is. For example, if you see a first/second pick Udyr, where is he going? Sure, he could go top, but what if you pick against him and he ends up jungling?
Rumble is just the opposite. If you see him first/second pick, hes going top, unless you're putting him mid vs Vlad.
Tops that are picked are either really hard to pick against (Udyr/Lee Sin because you simply don't know like I said above) or extremely retarded to deal with (Kennen, Olaf, Vlad, Shen are easily 4 of the best tops in the game right now).
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On May 11 2012 04:44 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 04:27 TheKefka wrote:
Veigar is trash.Ziggs ez #1.
How come people don't play rumble in tournaments?Is he just not figured out that much,does he have some really bad matchups or what? People don't play Rumble in tourneys because of how obvious he is. For example, if you see a first/second pick Udyr, where is he going? Sure, he could go top, but what if you pick against him and he ends up jungling? Rumble is just the opposite. If you see him first/second pick, hes going top, unless you're putting him mid vs Vlad. Tops that are picked are either really hard to pick against (Udyr/Lee Sin because you simply don't know like I said above) or extremely retarded to deal with (Kennen, Olaf, Vlad, Shen are easily 4 of the best tops in the game right now).
What chu talkin about willis. Rumble #1 double wota jungler.
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On May 11 2012 04:20 turdburgler wrote:
poppy es numero uno, all this poppy talk has got me in the mood to play her ;D
Poppy talk?
POPPYCOCK!
Sorry, continue.
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On May 11 2012 04:53 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 04:20 turdburgler wrote:
poppy es numero uno, all this poppy talk has got me in the mood to play her ;D Poppy talk? POPPYCOCK! Sorry, continue.
wut.
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Does anyone think I'm stupid for not getting level 2 and 3 ulti on Varus till 17 and 18? I just think the damage given on his other skills are more reliable and better than an extra 100-500 and his ulti cd doesn't bother me that much
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On May 11 2012 04:57 wussleeQ wrote:
Does anyone think I'm stupid for not getting level 2 and 3 ulti on Varus till 17 and 18? I just think the damage given on his other skills are more reliable and better than an extra 100-500 and his ulti cd doesn't bother me that much
30 seconds on the CD of a reliable initiating ultimate should bother you.
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On May 11 2012 04:45 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 04:44 Cloud9157 wrote:On May 11 2012 04:27 TheKefka wrote:
Veigar is trash.Ziggs ez #1.
How come people don't play rumble in tournaments?Is he just not figured out that much,does he have some really bad matchups or what? People don't play Rumble in tourneys because of how obvious he is. For example, if you see a first/second pick Udyr, where is he going? Sure, he could go top, but what if you pick against him and he ends up jungling? Rumble is just the opposite. If you see him first/second pick, hes going top, unless you're putting him mid vs Vlad. Tops that are picked are either really hard to pick against (Udyr/Lee Sin because you simply don't know like I said above) or extremely retarded to deal with (Kennen, Olaf, Vlad, Shen are easily 4 of the best tops in the game right now). What chu talkin about willis. Rumble #1 double wota jungler.
Its not as good as jungle Ezreal.
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I feel like Shen is very easy to counter nowadays since his laning's been nerfed. You can just pick a super sustain farmer like cho or yorick who just shrugs off all his harass and take towers if Shen ults. Towards the end game top gets super farmed while Shen is underfarmed from teleporting all around and sucks during team fights.
Yorick can also zone Shen so badly that it can get embarassing. Everytime I pick Shen I get counterpicked by a Yorick and it's like pulling teeth trying to survive that matchup. Basically have to go all in on using your ult to win the other lanes.
Shen not ban worthy anymore?
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On May 11 2012 04:36 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 04:34 Seuss wrote:On May 11 2012 04:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
The only yordle who doesnt suck massive ammounts of dick is Viegar. I would gladly remove every other one from the game. At this juncture in temporal causality I am experiencing severe trepidation due to gargantuan difficulty stymieing my attempts to accurately verify the solemn intentions of the statement I have heretofore cited. I dont understand fancy talk.
Let me translate it for you: "You crazy bro, you making my brains dance tektonik when I try to understand the goal of that statement."
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On May 11 2012 05:01 JokerSan wrote:
I feel like Shen is very easy to counter nowadays since his laning's been nerfed. You can just pick a super sustain farmer like cho or yorick who just shrugs off all his harass and take towers if Shen ults. Towards the end game top gets super farmed while Shen is underfarmed from teleporting all around and sucks during team fights.
Yorick can also zone Shen so badly that it can get embarassing. Everytime I pick Shen I get counterpicked by a Yorick and it's like pulling teeth trying to survive that matchup. Basically have to go all in on using your ult to win the other lanes.
Shen not ban worthy anymore?
Doesn't really matter who you are vs him, that ult is annoying as fuck.
Faced Shen top as Swain once. Got a kill on him and was smashing his face in lane. He ult'd to an enemy, and I took tower. Its not really fun because if you take tower really early to punish his ult, he can just freeze the lane near his second tower and farm it, forcing you to either risk getting ganked, or to start roaming with your team to take objectives. If that is the case, he will be right there with you when his team decides to engage.
Split push bot>free tele to Baron if your team needs you.
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Shen is ban worthy for the same reason Shaco is ban worthy, he's annoying to deal with and can easily get out of hand because people have a penchant for forgetting he exists during laning.
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On May 10 2012 21:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
So....in LoL, when the other team surrenders, why do the people who win say "gg" first?
This is just be my BW etiquette coming in, but traditionally, it's always been the loser that says "gg" first and then the winner says "gg" in response. I'm not sure what changed that around in League, and I know it's actually not important at all.
It just bugs me a bit. >.>
Saying GG when the enemy doesn't surrender is rude, saying GG AFTER they surrendered and it's 800% lost for them is perfectly fine.
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I wonder if you'd have to wait until all 5 enemies have said gg before you are allowed to say gg accoring to aforementioned "BW etiquette"... Surely the one guy who refused to say gg would be offended?
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On May 11 2012 04:35 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 04:32 TheYango wrote:On May 11 2012 04:10 turdburgler wrote:
no doubt it will change but it seems to follow the same logic and playing mf, your aoe slow is a 1 point wonder in lane and your poke spell costs too much mana to be spammable early so just take the thing that helps you not only trade but last hit. Except the comparison between Make it Rain and Hail of Arrows doesn't work at all. Make it Rain has an aggressively scaling mana cost, doesn't have scaling CD, doesn't scale with AD, and has way shorter range, so it's practical usability is much lower. Honestly, I'd max Varus' E first. ye but make it rain allows you to sing a long so its much better. hail of arrows ad scaling is from bonus ad though, so i dont know. it will be ages before people agree on anything but i just get the feeling that 24 damage a hit is too stronk.
Considering the scaling as mentioned you would need to get 10 hits in compared to landing a single E or Q to make even on the damage.
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On May 11 2012 05:12 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 21:24 Zergneedsfood wrote:
So....in LoL, when the other team surrenders, why do the people who win say "gg" first?
This is just be my BW etiquette coming in, but traditionally, it's always been the loser that says "gg" first and then the winner says "gg" in response. I'm not sure what changed that around in League, and I know it's actually not important at all.
It just bugs me a bit. >.>
Saying GG when the enemy doesn't surrender is rude, saying GG AFTER they surrendered and it's 800% lost for them is perfectly fine.
The super big difference between LoL and SC in this regard is that LoL has a built-in surrender mechanic.
The reason you don't say GG first as the winner in SC is because saying 'GG' is literally how you throw in the towel for lack of a better means to do so other than just quitting which leaves no room for interaction. Saying it when you think you've won is poor form that will get you a loss in a tourney and can make you look like an ass if he's got 2 stargates and a fleet beacon hidden at an expansion along with 8 carriers. In LoL though, if they've got 20 seconds on respawn and all we have to do is knock down nexus turrets, the game is over and regardless of whether they say GG or not, I want to get that GG in there because I grew up on Peewee Soccer and we always said 'Good Game' to be well mannered to our opponents. In the case of a surrender, it's even easier for me to just say GG because seeing that 'Surrender Vote Succeeded 5-0' is mechanically analogous to seeing 'DerpFace420: GG' in SC.
In other words, I say GG because the game is over and I say GG, not because my opponents say GG.
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