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turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
May 10 2012 17:12 GMT
#2081
On May 10 2012 23:59 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 23:53 turamn wrote:
On May 10 2012 22:22 phyvo wrote:
On May 10 2012 22:08 turamn wrote:
On May 10 2012 22:01 jadoth wrote:
i think any one who takes offense to a simple gg is being oversensitive.


Anyone who takes offense to anything on the internet, particularly in a video game, is overly sensitive.


Pretty much completely disagree here. For one I think you can take offense to things without it being a result of some kind of vulnerability flaw, and for another I think there are things that if you don't take offense to them you're being overly apathetic and accepting of the standard of internet culture.

When it comes to racist remarks I'm pretty serious about my report button.


Why should I take offense to something a person on the internet says to me? I've never met the guy, they know nothing about me, and I'll probably never see them again ( in the case of a game with 100,000,000 players ). You say it's being "overly apathetic", I say it's just not letting dumb shit get to me.

Might as well say "Why should I take offense to something a person I dont know says to me?"
I dont see a difference between saying things "IRL" and on the internet. The internet is not any less real than the air we use to communicate otherwise.


I do say that, in truth. No point in letting something like that get to you. Whether it's someone raging about how bad they think you are at a video game or if you took the last piece of pizza from the cafeteria when they were in line behind you.

Obviously certain circumstances warrant some reaction, but most of the time, you'll just find out you're getting all worked up over something insignificant. Everyone draws their own boundaries, mine are just incredibly loosely defined.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
May 10 2012 17:55 GMT
#2082
how playable is trist solo top compared to corki
:)
benefluence
Profile Joined January 2010
United States158 Posts
May 10 2012 17:57 GMT
#2083
On May 11 2012 00:18 unichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 22:42 gerd1022 wrote:
On May 10 2012 22:16 HazMat wrote:
On May 10 2012 22:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
On May 10 2012 22:05 HazMat wrote:
Until Soraka spawns while you're destroying the nexis an pentakills you with starcall thus losing you the game.

I remember that game.

Can anyone find the video of that game? It was lessermousedeer on Dyrus' stream. I at sk00l.


Heres the full game from Dyrus' saved games:

http://www.own3d.tv/video/268309/The_Greatest_Udyr_Game_of_All_Time_-_Dyrus____Udyrs_

gingerbrown hwaiting
RIP


To be honest, super minions did most of the work there .
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
May 10 2012 17:58 GMT
#2084
On May 11 2012 02:55 unichan wrote:
how playable is trist solo top compared to corki


I think her jump's too slow to be worthwhile.
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
May 10 2012 18:01 GMT
#2085
On May 11 2012 02:12 turamn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 23:59 Redox wrote:
On May 10 2012 23:53 turamn wrote:
On May 10 2012 22:22 phyvo wrote:
On May 10 2012 22:08 turamn wrote:
On May 10 2012 22:01 jadoth wrote:
i think any one who takes offense to a simple gg is being oversensitive.


Anyone who takes offense to anything on the internet, particularly in a video game, is overly sensitive.


Pretty much completely disagree here. For one I think you can take offense to things without it being a result of some kind of vulnerability flaw, and for another I think there are things that if you don't take offense to them you're being overly apathetic and accepting of the standard of internet culture.

When it comes to racist remarks I'm pretty serious about my report button.


Why should I take offense to something a person on the internet says to me? I've never met the guy, they know nothing about me, and I'll probably never see them again ( in the case of a game with 100,000,000 players ). You say it's being "overly apathetic", I say it's just not letting dumb shit get to me.

Might as well say "Why should I take offense to something a person I dont know says to me?"
I dont see a difference between saying things "IRL" and on the internet. The internet is not any less real than the air we use to communicate otherwise.


I do say that, in truth. No point in letting something like that get to you. Whether it's someone raging about how bad they think you are at a video game or if you took the last piece of pizza from the cafeteria when they were in line behind you.

Obviously certain circumstances warrant some reaction, but most of the time, you'll just find out you're getting all worked up over something insignificant. Everyone draws their own boundaries, mine are just incredibly loosely defined.


For any sensible definition of "real", chatting with random people on LoL *is* a lot less real than face-to-face communication.

You have no idea who is talking to you, what that person's state of mind is, whether he actually has any intention to upset you, how that person reacts to anything you'll do, whether you're even talking to the same person or whether it's a bunch of people taking turns trolling you. Hell, for all you know it could be a bot.

It's very different from someone giving you a harsh look because you took a last piece in the pizzeria, since you have far less information to go by and also far less information to judge how anything you say will be received. Physical interaction conveys far, far more information than purely textual chat.

It is also clear that people behave very differently in the anonymous online environment than they do in face to face conversations; at least that is the case for almost all the people I have met in person, and it is the case for myself, so I do not see why it should be different for other people.

It makes no sense to take anonymous online conversations at face value, just like you wouldn't assign the same weight to a cab driver's passing comment as you would to a discussion with a close friend. Whether taking offense at remarks made online is being oversensitive or not is an entirely personal judgement, but it's certainly silly to pretend that all conversations are the same.
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
May 10 2012 18:01 GMT
#2086
On May 11 2012 02:57 benefluence wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 00:18 unichan wrote:
On May 10 2012 22:42 gerd1022 wrote:
On May 10 2012 22:16 HazMat wrote:
On May 10 2012 22:06 Two_DoWn wrote:
On May 10 2012 22:05 HazMat wrote:
Until Soraka spawns while you're destroying the nexis an pentakills you with starcall thus losing you the game.

I remember that game.

Can anyone find the video of that game? It was lessermousedeer on Dyrus' stream. I at sk00l.


Heres the full game from Dyrus' saved games:

http://www.own3d.tv/video/268309/The_Greatest_Udyr_Game_of_All_Time_-_Dyrus____Udyrs_

gingerbrown hwaiting
RIP


To be honest, super minions did most of the work there .

i know gbrown did nothing
but super minions wouldn't have got to do their work without soraka
:)
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 10 2012 18:04 GMT
#2087
On May 11 2012 01:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 00:39 Mogwai wrote:
Jax's biggest plus is that he has 2 seconds of "ranged DPS can't melt me in 2 seconds," effectively doubling his late game survivability as compared to every other melee champion!

Jax is a by far the strongest anti-carry in the game right now. If there's a champion that can shut down AD carries, Jax is it.


condemn goes through counterstrike

poppy will always be the best because she can ignore cc.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 10 2012 18:07 GMT
#2088
On May 11 2012 03:04 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 01:17 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 11 2012 00:39 Mogwai wrote:
Jax's biggest plus is that he has 2 seconds of "ranged DPS can't melt me in 2 seconds," effectively doubling his late game survivability as compared to every other melee champion!

Jax is a by far the strongest anti-carry in the game right now. If there's a champion that can shut down AD carries, Jax is it.


condemn goes through counterstrike

poppy will always be the best because she can ignore cc.

The problem w/ Poppy is really poor laning phase. When I said strongest, i also meant viable.
liftlift > tsm
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
May 10 2012 18:10 GMT
#2089
do people build AP poppy now or AD?
bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
May 10 2012 18:13 GMT
#2090
On May 11 2012 03:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 03:04 turdburgler wrote:
On May 11 2012 01:17 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 11 2012 00:39 Mogwai wrote:
Jax's biggest plus is that he has 2 seconds of "ranged DPS can't melt me in 2 seconds," effectively doubling his late game survivability as compared to every other melee champion!

Jax is a by far the strongest anti-carry in the game right now. If there's a champion that can shut down AD carries, Jax is it.


condemn goes through counterstrike

poppy will always be the best because she can ignore cc.

The problem w/ Poppy is really poor laning phase. When I said strongest, i also meant viable.


Is poppy top not considered viable anymore?
She's not /strong/ in laning, but she definitely seemed to hold her own against a bunch of common tops last I checked. (You'd not want to first pick her, though.)
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
May 10 2012 18:21 GMT
#2091
Meh, I still think Malphite is better at stopping ADs.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 18:26:42
May 10 2012 18:24 GMT
#2092
On May 11 2012 03:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 03:04 turdburgler wrote:
On May 11 2012 01:17 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 11 2012 00:39 Mogwai wrote:
Jax's biggest plus is that he has 2 seconds of "ranged DPS can't melt me in 2 seconds," effectively doubling his late game survivability as compared to every other melee champion!

Jax is a by far the strongest anti-carry in the game right now. If there's a champion that can shut down AD carries, Jax is it.


condemn goes through counterstrike

poppy will always be the best because she can ignore cc.

The problem w/ Poppy is really poor laning phase. When I said strongest, i also meant viable.

lol wut. u srs?

her laning phase is not poor at all. her passive+W gives her crazy amounts of resist on top of runes and with a philo she can stay in lane forever against most common top laners. once she gets sheen, which should be the first item after boots+philo, she can out-trade most laners as well.

only people who can beat poppy are ranged champs like Nid/Kennen and strong pushers. You just don't want to first pick Poppy because she as a few really hard counters, but that's the case for a lot of viable champs.

If anything, Poppy if more viable than Jax imo.
On May 11 2012 03:10 nosliw wrote:
do people build AP poppy now or AD?

Generally it's Triforce+Gunblade into tanky. AP Poppy is hella burst, but not as strong overall.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 10 2012 18:30 GMT
#2093
Olaf stomps Poppy in the nuts. Teemo's the best ranged champ vs. poppy, he fucking ruins her, roughly as bad as Olaf IMO, though most people say Olaf beats her ass worse with the true damage.

Jax is going through a popularity surge and Poppy's little presence recently dried up. Jax is stronger vs. the popular top laners and is no longer a completely useless jungler, so I'd say he's a fair bit more viable than Poppy in high elo games, though Poppy is honestly underplayed in my games right now.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 10 2012 18:33 GMT
#2094
On May 11 2012 03:30 Mogwai wrote:
Olaf stomps Poppy in the nuts. Teemo's the best ranged champ vs. poppy, he fucking ruins her, roughly as bad as Olaf IMO, though most people say Olaf beats her ass worse with the true damage.

Jax is going through a popularity surge and Poppy's little presence recently dried up. Jax is stronger vs. the popular top laners and is no longer a completely useless jungler, so I'd say he's a fair bit more viable than Poppy in high elo games, though Poppy is honestly underplayed in my games right now.

oh yea, forgot about olaf. But olaf beats a ton of top laners anyways.

i honestly haven't seen any good Jax players in my elo range 1600-1700 so my perception of how good Jax is is probably skewed. But saying Poppy isn't viable is total nonsense. She's a fine late pick to avoid hard counters. Against most lanes she does fine; against her counters she gets wrecked really hard. Once she gets Triforce she wrecks havoc since that ulti and passive are just fucking broken.
xarchaosx
Profile Joined February 2012
United States89 Posts
May 10 2012 18:39 GMT
#2095
Alright so I have a question about handling a team comp and who to pick when you see something like this. The team was wu top, galio mid, mundo jungle, and bot graves leona. Who counters that and what is the best way to pay against a team like that. Once it got late game it took a year to kill one didn't know what to do please help
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
May 10 2012 18:46 GMT
#2096
On May 11 2012 03:39 xarchaosx wrote:
Alright so I have a question about handling a team comp and who to pick when you see something like this. The team was wu top, galio mid, mundo jungle, and bot graves leona. Who counters that and what is the best way to pay against a team like that. Once it got late game it took a year to kill one didn't know what to do please help

when it gets to late game it all depends on how farmed your AD carry is. come late game, AD carries are pretty much THE dps force on a team. if you find you guys can't kill anything lategame chances are either your AD carry is behind and/or you guys aren't protecting him well enough.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 10 2012 18:49 GMT
#2097
On May 11 2012 03:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2012 03:39 xarchaosx wrote:
Alright so I have a question about handling a team comp and who to pick when you see something like this. The team was wu top, galio mid, mundo jungle, and bot graves leona. Who counters that and what is the best way to pay against a team like that. Once it got late game it took a year to kill one didn't know what to do please help

when it gets to late game it all depends on how farmed your AD carry is. come late game, AD carries are pretty much THE dps force on a team. if you find you guys can't kill anything lategame chances are either your AD carry is behind and/or you guys aren't protecting him well enough.

Yeah, pick Kog, Trist or Vayne as AD and let them farm full items.
then you play full-out Protect The AD lategame.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 10 2012 18:50 GMT
#2098
can't tell if people are serious about poppy having decent laning phase....
liftlift > tsm
xarchaosx
Profile Joined February 2012
United States89 Posts
May 10 2012 18:51 GMT
#2099
We had decent protection and it was corki. He got a little behind but he wasn't too far behind in cs but was up in kills against the other ad. Would kog be better against that comp? Our top was really ahead but it shyvana and didn't do enough damage
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 10 2012 18:52 GMT
#2100
80-90 armor from level 1? Yeah its kinda hard to push Poppy out of lane unless you play someone like Olaf, Teemo. Plus Poppy players usually go minion damage mitigation so they can freeze lane anytime they want
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