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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 11 2012 14:03 templar rage wrote: You pretty much got it backwards. You play mid-level stuff like NESL for the money. You play major tournaments like IPL4 for the prestige and the money. There is very little recognition to be had for winning some random online event for a few thousand dollars. So, if the money isn't worth it to you, then why would you waste your time? Edit: I kind of agree with your final point about improving their stream. It is hard to do, but there are plenty of hints out there that you need to do something. If you can't compete with a private stream for viewers, there's obviously a reason for it. Combine that with your own stream chat spamming shit like "who the fuck are these dumbass casters" or "zzzzz casters so bad" and I think you have your problem laid out right in front of you. It's not hard to figure out what your problem is, but it is really hard to fix. Especially the caster bit, because it seems like there are really very few casters in the LoL scene whom the community actually respects. Part of the reason they'd "waste their time" is because NESL was pretty much the only tournaments they had in the beginning. NESL helped popularize competitive LoL. For all their faults, and they have tons, it is kind of sad to see them get shafted by pro teams so often. For a long ass time the only tournaments that CLG and TSM really had to work towards were Go4LoL events. I can understand not participating in Go4LoL anymore, as I said playing 8 hours for a $1K prize pool isn't beneficial to any pro team. But for the bigger tournaments that NESL manages to host (that actually do benefit them financially if they win) they could at least show some level of respect. edit: And just to clarify, I'm not trying to bash on TSM. I can also understand their point of view when they're told they can stream and then get told later that they can't. I just wish CLG and TSM would do more NESL events. Help the people who helped popularize the thing you've made a career out of. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
That said I don't like the NESL casting either >.> and directed camera is sadly the best obs (all leagues included) also Overt, it's a two way street, like, NESL needs the big name teams more than the teams need them, gotta give to get. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
they can get away with it because they are bigger than the scene, but it is clearly wrong and a terrible way to run a business. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 11 2012 14:21 Slusher wrote: and directed camera is sadly the best obs (all leagues included) A human caster can't beat a computer algorithm that keeps track of who dies, takes damage, or burns summoners/ultis 3 minutes into the future. This would be true even if we had good casters/observers. Directed camera wouldn't work if observer mode was live. It's so good because it gets to take advantage of the 3 minute delay. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
I think its a really good move, should make everything more consistant. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 11 2012 14:21 Slusher wrote: also Overt, it's a two way street, like, NESL needs the big name teams more than the teams need them, gotta give to get. Definitely. But I disagree a bit. Unless teams don't plan on going to IEM events they are at least semi-reliant on NESL. I think it'd be great if they could offer bigger prizes for online tournaments. But to do that they can't have teams sniping their stream viewers. They can't have teams refusing to play in their tournaments. edit: And while the prize pool isn't that great it's not like this was a piss tournament. Like, every good NA team is participating. edit2: http://www.nationalesl.com/us/news/193453/ NESL seem to be handling this pretty fairly. Also interesting to note that TSM already got docked points for streaming previously...so it's not like they didn't know they couldn't stream tonight. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On May 11 2012 14:04 TheYango wrote: I can understand the fiscal logic behind TSM's decision to drop out of the tournament. But doing so displays a certain lack of professionalism that I would hope to see from a competitive team. Staying in it for the spirit of the competition, rather than just dropping out because it's not going to be profitable. Dropping out of a tournament because "you can't pay us enough money for this to be worth our while" indicates a lack of respect for the tournament and it's organizers. They only joined the tournament because they were told that it was okay if they streamed; they planned on not taking part at all if it wasn't. NESL changing their minds - or making the exception in the first place - speaks to a lack of professionalism from them. TSM is, in my mind, completely in the clear on this. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On May 11 2012 14:31 overt wrote: Definitely. But I disagree a bit. Unless teams don't plan on going to IEM events they are at least semi-reliant on NESL. I think it'd be great if they could offer bigger prizes for online tournaments. But to do that they can't have teams sniping their stream viewers. They can't have teams refusing to play in their tournaments. edit: And while the prize pool isn't that great it's not like this was a piss tournament. Like, every good NA team is participating. edit2: http://www.nationalesl.com/us/news/193453/ NESL seem to be handling this pretty fairly. Also interesting to note that TSM already got docked points for streaming previously...so it's not like they didn't know they couldn't stream tonight. They can get more money by just continuing to stream and then meet with Riot to remove more than three instances of streaming. If ESL removes them from future events they stand to lose more than TSM, who'd rather be streaming anyways. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On May 11 2012 14:51 BlackPaladin wrote: lol...hotshot jungling vs saint in solo q. This is gonna be interesting. Hotshot fb saint. 2stronk. | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On May 11 2012 14:28 sob3k wrote: Reds saying that free-to-play champs will be removed from ranked. Supposedly to make ranked skill/Elo level more reliable. I think its a really good move, should make everything more consistant. Huh. That is a good move. It does mean, though, that you can't play ranked until you actually own 16 champions. Which is probably also a good thing. At the very least it'll mean I can play my favourite champs during their free week and not have everyone bitch about "free week xxxx" in champ select. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Someone wanna farm me ip? | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On May 11 2012 14:51 Treadmill wrote: They only joined the tournament because they were told that it was okay if they streamed; they planned on not taking part at all if it wasn't. NESL changing their minds - or making the exception in the first place - speaks to a lack of professionalism from them. TSM is, in my mind, completely in the clear on this. This doesn't seem to be true. There has always been a no-streaming rule. Unless an admin went idiot mode and lied to them or they were given a backdoor special exception then no. From what I've read from NESL admins before this tournament even started they had a no-streaming rule. Any source on this from NESL? scarra: "They never got changed. It's been the same since it started." So either TSM lied or one of their fans lied. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:01 HazMat wrote: Where will I go with smurfdrizzle now. Someone wanna farm me ip? Just buy all the 450s. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On May 11 2012 15:03 overt wrote: This doesn't seem to be true. There has always been a no-streaming rule. Unless an admin went idiot mode and lied to them or they were given a backdoor special exception then no. From what I've read from NESL admins before this tournament even started they had a no-streaming rule. Any source on this from NESL? scarra: "They never got changed. It's been the same since it started." So either TSM lied or one of their fans lied. This is exactly what happened. Someone on ESL said it was OK - maybe even someone who didn't have the authority to say so, but TSM wouldn't have known that. And that was the only reason TSM agreed to play the tournament in the first place. So either a. TSM are entirely a bunch of complete lieing douchebags, which they aren't (though some people seem to believe ). Or b. ESL is a crappily run organization with shitty communication. Which they are. | ||
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