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On April 25 2012 06:33 MooMooMugi wrote:
Hey guys what runes should I use when I'm AD ranged? Flat MR or MR per level blues?
I personally use scaling because I'm too poor to afford flat MR.
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Although you probably should use flats to negate early harass. Late game really doesn't make a difference between +12 or +24 because you'll probably be dead if you take any heavy AP damage to the face.
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On April 25 2012 06:34 Two_DoWn wrote:
Your being ridiculous.
ELO hell is not worth the discussion. "What is a tank" isnt worth going over because its stupidly subjective.
And for shit were there are very solid answers, why not just LINK to the past discussion so we dont have to do it all over again?
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General Discussion is an open forum for just about any topic, I agree. But there are some topics that are simply not conducive to any form of analysis.
And please don't give me some slippery slope nonsense. If you want to compare "elo hell" discussion with Annie and Leona, I'll call your bluff.
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I don't think topics like gp10, crit runes, and AD vs ARP should be banned but it would be nice to have a place that summarizes both sides of the argument along with a poll that shows the general opinion of tl on the topic and maybe even a list of which high elo/prominent members are on witch side.
I do think that elo hell, tribunal, and other such nonsense should be banned because i can not envision a way in which that turns into productive conversation.
I would also prefer if stream tidbits were keep around but i can understand them being annoying to some people.
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On April 25 2012 06:33 MooMooMugi wrote:
Hey guys what runes should I use when I'm AD ranged? Flat MR or MR per level blues?
I personally have flat MRs, but I think that's cuz I don't own scaling MRs.
I've never given it much thought, but scaling might be good because bot lane you generally don't encounter high amounts of magic damage until team fights/skirmishes.
I don't know when scaling catches up, and I'm not the most reliable AD, but that's just my general thought process.
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I checked a handful of AD players on NA and the overwhelming majority do Flat MR Glyphs. What Soloside makes sense. Your early runes are just to help you during your laning phase. Mid/late game, your position is what keeps you alive. Getting combo'd by an AP carry, your Glyphs, Flat or Scaling, won't be helping you that much, considering how most Ranged ADs don't bother building MR until their 5-6th item.
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On April 25 2012 06:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:33 MooMooMugi wrote:
Hey guys what runes should I use when I'm AD ranged? Flat MR or MR per level blues? I personally have flat MRs, but I think that's cuz I don't own scaling MRs. I've never given it much thought, but scaling might be good because bot lane you generally don't encounter high amounts of magic damage until team fights/skirmishes. I don't know when scaling catches up, and I'm not the most reliable AD, but that's just my general thought process.
Dunno I like to have flat MR against lanes with like a leona/janna/sona, trist, corki, mf. Prefer to have an easier time in lane as an ad instead of having 12more MR mid-late.
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On April 25 2012 06:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
I checked a handful of AD players on NA and the overwhelming majority do Flat MR Glyphs. What Soloside makes sense. Your early runes are just to help you during your laning phase. Mid/late game, your position is what keeps you alive. Getting combo'd by an AP carry, your Glyphs, Flat or Scaling, won't be helping you that much, considering how most Ranged ADs don't bother building MR until their 5-6th item.
That was my first useful post on TL. Ever.
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Actually, I think discussions of what is and isn't ok to be discussed shouldn't be allowed. They're far too meta and come up way too often.
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On April 25 2012 06:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
General Discussion is an open forum for just about any topic, I agree. But there are some topics that are simply not conducive to any form of analysis for those who have already done said analysis, but very informative to people who are new to the game or confused on a subject.
And please don't give me some slippery slope nonsense. If you want to compare "elo hell" discussion with Annie and Leona, I'll call your bluff.
fixed that for you
there are tons of misconceptions that we as experienced players should be happy to clear up, even though we feel a certain answer/solution is obvious
if you don't want to talk about elo hell, don't respond when someone brings up elo hell. start up a new discussion instead. same to T_D. if you think a simple link to a discussion on the merits of gp10 could stem a conversation, then instead of going up in arms when someone asks, link the discussion. there is absolutely no need to limit what people can talk about in an all-inclusive topic
the easiest solution is just making the first post a "table of contents" of sorts for answers to questions. put it in all-bold and before the patch notes. boom, someone checking the topic will see that first. but we don't need to punish people on TL for being bad/misinformed about the game
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On April 25 2012 06:46 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 06:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
General Discussion is an open forum for just about any topic, I agree. But there are some topics that are simply not conducive to any form of analysis for those who have already done said analysis, but very informative to people who are new to the game or confused on a subject.
And please don't give me some slippery slope nonsense. If you want to compare "elo hell" discussion with Annie and Leona, I'll call your bluff. fixed that for youthere are tons of misconceptions that we as experienced players should be happy to clear up, even though we feel a certain answer/solution is obvious if you don't want to talk about elo hell, don't respond when someone brings up elo hell. start up a new discussion instead. same to T_D. if you think a simple link to a discussion on the merits of gp10 could stem a conversation, then instead of going up in arms when someone asks, link the discussion. there is absolutely no need to limit what people can talk about in an all-inclusive topic the easiest solution is just making the first post a "table of contents" of sorts for answers to questions. put it in all-bold and before the patch notes. boom, someone checking the topic will see that first. but we don't need to punish people on TL for being bad/misinformed about the game
Pretty sure that's what Neo is doing - making a thread or link of some sort to go back to those discussion so we don't need to continually have them again.
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FAQ thread, that's always linked in the beginning of every GD thread, would be good idea.
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On April 25 2012 06:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
General Discussion is an open forum for just about any topic, I agree. But there are some topics that are simply not conducive to any form of analysis.
And please don't give me some slippery slope nonsense. If you want to compare "elo hell" discussion with Annie and Leona, I'll call your bluff.
If you include links to past discussions, will they just be to previous GD threads or to any specific, less... chaotic... discussion of said topics?
I suspect that just linking to past GD threads isn't the best idea because they, too, are full of contradictory statements, misleading random comments, and highly opinionated (and far from "analytical") rants. Deferring to those threads yet asking people to refrain from replying to their content feels very unsatisfactory.
It's different if you're linking to some specific thread where people put more effort into replying to the quantifiable parts (using rune/item X gives you effective damage A, using Y gives you B) without unnecessary (and irrelevant) personal judgements and hyperbole.
Or at least add a disclaimer before the links that the topics are banned regardless of whether the previous discussion (that is being linked to) made any sense. That way people won't feel the need to reply to a specific "sanctioned" discussion of the topic.
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On April 25 2012 06:46 gtrsrs wrote:
the easiest solution is just making the first post a "table of contents" of sorts for answers to questions. put it in all-bold and before the patch notes. boom, someone checking the topic will see that first. but we don't need to punish people on TL for being bad/misinformed about the game
This is a good idea, regardless of whether or not this "list of sensitive topics" comes to fruition.
The DotA 2 GD thread has this sort of thing. The links are very helpful.
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The whole point that I have in mind is writing a modified 10 commandments for our LoL subforum. One of the tenet will deal with taboo topics. Issues that have been beaten to death like GP10 will be linked. Non sequitur topics like elo hell and "what is a tank" honestly don't have a place on TL. Even if I don't want to participate, I have to read that nonsense as I browse GD.
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You can also just ask people to start a new thread on the topics that always come up so it can die where none of us want to see it again.
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On April 25 2012 06:57 obesechicken13 wrote:
You can also just ask people to start a new thread on the topics that always come up so it can die where none of us want to see it again.
Topics like ELO hell do not deserve their own topics. At least, they should not be mentioned anywhere on TL/LoL. It's way too toxic.
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On April 25 2012 06:36 cLutZ wrote:
I hope that they make some jungle changes that make it more spell-friendly. Or modify some spellcasters to be improved junglers.
The jungle meta needs to be shaken up. Least interesting part of the pro scene right now IMO.
They'd have to drastically increase the mana returns from clearing small camps for jungle spellcasters to become a reality. As it stands it's next to impossible for most spellcasters to clear without blue. On top of that spellcasters tend to like levels more than anything else, but jungling is only slightly better off than a duo lane in terms of leveling unless you pull off some very successful ganks or get to hold lanes a lot.
That said, there are tons of viable junglers right now (in general), more than there were before the jungle remake. The jungle doesn't need to be changed for them to be played, player mindsets need to change.
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There used to be a stickied thread for new players - I've asked about it before, but I still haven't seen an answer for why it's not there anymore. When I was just starting, it helped me a lot! It had a list of common acronyms, a brief description of what different roles entail, and a list of champions and their general playstyle (which I read very often because it was a much easier way of knowing which champions I should try than trying to read their abilities and figure it out for myself) I don't really see a problem with questions being repeated, but such a thread could easily contain an FAQ and links to where people can find more information about a given topic.
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General Discussion seems to be made up of mostly established posters, so it would probably be ok to discourage certain topics. It's worth noting, however, that when one of those beat-to-death subjects comes up, it's usually someone fairly new to the subforum that brings it up initially, since they were never around for the original discussion or any of the subsequent ones. For new posters, it may be the first time they have ever thought about that issue and wish for some discussion on it. There is nothing wrong with that and in fact that sort discussion should be encouraged by more veteran members as a way to help less experienced players.
That said, it is completely legitimate to say that some of these older discussions do not belong in this topic since most of the regular posters have already seen those discussion ad nauseum. Ideally you would want newer players to have their own thread for these questions and discussions and have veteran posters chime in, but there are 2 inherent problems with even that.
First, newer players/posters are very likely to be unfamiliar with the "new players" thread and may not find the correct thread. This is exacerbated by the fact that the thread with BY FAR the most views and posts is general discussion, which is always at the top of the subforum. So if new posters have a question and haven't lurked long enough to know the social dynamics of this subforum, then they will mistakenly post in GD anyway out of ignorance. Also the fact that this thread is called "General Discussion" and yet has topics that are banned from discussion will likely lead to further confusion. (See, the many posts directing people to the QQ thread)
Second, Since these kinds of discussions come along fairly infrequently, it would stand to reason that the "New Player" thread would fall fairly quickly without regular posting that GD has, further making it harder to find and less intuitive for new players. You could Sticky it, but that has it's own issues as well.
Furthermore, how likely are most of the veterans of this forum to post regularly helping new players with this? I'm actually not being insulting or facetious, just legitimately curious on whether or not the relevant posters would be willing to stay on top of that thread, even if it means repeating the same information, something that people in this very line of discussion have expressed disdain to.
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