EPTAh well it's worse now, no sound either.
And now it's all fine. Thanks again guys.
[Patch 1.0.0.138: Hecarim] General Discussion - Page 64
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Ah well it's worse now, no sound either. And now it's all fine. Thanks again guys. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:22 57 Corvette wrote: In the current meta, what determines who is a good mid? either the ability to roam and gank other lanes like ahri or the ability to push the wave quickly and take wraiths every time they spawn like karthus or morde | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 23 2012 06:26 iCanada wrote: Thing is, nobody runs a 1 man botlane as a consistent strategy. If you change that 1v3 to a 2v3 it is once again 3v3 fights... thing is the team with the trilane has the hardest scaling champ out of the current 1-1-2/jungle shenanigans that is standard in LoL. The constant factor is still that your supports HAVE to get kills in a trilane to not be completely fucked midgame. And making that happen reliably in LoL won't happen with the way the game is played currently. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:23 Frolossus wrote: would roaming in LoL become more viable now that the exp thing has been changed so supports can catch up faster? The problem is that even if roaming CAN be effective, it's not *reliable*. In a competitive tournament setting where losing 1 game can eliminate you from the entire tournament, nobody is going to make a gamble like that. Even if the conventional 1-1-2+jungle, isn't necessarily better, it's SAFER. For roaming to be competitively viable, there needs to be some semblance of reliability to it. At this point, though, we have to question whether Riot would implement a mechanic that makes ganking *guarantee* kills. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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kekek
Finland26 Posts
A bit annoying yeah.. I'd just like games to be worth only 5-10 ELO, not 20-25 like they atm do (will go down eventually I know). I'm afraid of getting an unlucky streak and dropping to <1100 ELO but I'm kinda bored of normal games though. Idk, pointless post o/ | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On April 23 2012 06:48 Two_DoWn wrote: It became a problem because you ended up with an underleveled champion, even if you DID get kills. Not to mention this was the time before ad-support bot, so the 2 styles clashed until people realized that ad-support was just SAFER than anything else. It was post-ad support actually. I think the main reason people stopped doing it is because teams switched to instantly zoning the carry as soon as the roamer left, made it not worthwhile. For a while they were just sorta playing the lane normally while it was 2 vs 1, then they figured out they didn't have to. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:50 kekek wrote: 9 rankeds won, 10 lost with 91-54-138 k-d-a and 1177 ELO <_< A bit annoying yeah.. I'd just like games to be worth only 5-10 ELO, not 20-25 like they atm do (will go down eventually I know). I'm afraid of getting an unlucky streak and dropping to <1100 ELO but I'm kinda bored of normal games though. Idk, pointless post o/ This is general discussion, not the QQ thread ^_^ | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 23 2012 08:03 UniversalSnip wrote: It was post-ad support actually. I think the main reason people stopped doing it is because teams switched to instantly zoning the carry as soon as the roamer left, made it not worthwhile. For a while they were just sorta playing the lane normally while it was 2 vs 1, then they figured out they didn't have to. People didn't play roamers with AD bottom. At that point in time people were still playing AD carry solos mid/top. Generally roamers were played with reliable 1v2 heroes that are still used as 1v2s today when teams try to do top/bottom lane swap shenanigans. I don't think there really was a formal "clash" per se between roaming and AD/support bot lane. Roaming just sort of phased out over the weeks leading up to, and after Dreamhack, coinciding with nerfs to both to the roamers (e.g. Alistar, Evelynn) as well as the 1v2 heroes (e.g. Cho'gath). | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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rob.au
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It's still viable, M5 have roamed Alistar with success, the reason you don't see it as much is just because in solo queue it means your team has to pick a more specific composition which both requires some coordination in champ select, the right unlocks, and more importantly requires people to actually want to do it. Outside of a gimmick trilanes will never be successful in LoL. The supports are weaker at killing people and roaming, there's no denies, and junglers are way too strong. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On April 23 2012 08:34 wussleeQ wrote: Both of your statements kind of conflict in consideration of the metas. Yango says this was during ad mid/top and Universal says it was after ad support got popular... Which is true? I say 1v1 mid to decide it was before Dream Hack, and one was popular in Europe and one was popular in North America. Dreamhack was when everything became what it is now, and was the turning point for the game. Solo que, you never ran ad/support bottom in NA at 1500 before DH, but 5 days later you would get flamed if you don't, and it's common practice now. I have also seen some crazy good roamers still, you just have to play in a different way than you normally would, and you have to make a strong effort to keep track of your lvls, make sure your not too far behind, and you also have to have a really strong player comfortable with 1v2 bottom lane vs a strong lane. Overall its not worth it for most pro teams to take the risk, and most scrubs aren't good enough, the few times ive ever roamed, my bottom lane lost horribly, and I didnt have any impact on the game at all, and fell behind really quick.. This was back before DH, so who knows how i would do now, but you really need to change your mind set and such I think. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On April 23 2012 07:28 TheYango wrote: The problem is that even if roaming CAN be effective, it's not *reliable*. In a competitive tournament setting where losing 1 game can eliminate you from the entire tournament, nobody is going to make a gamble like that. Even if the conventional 1-1-2+jungle, isn't necessarily better, it's SAFER. For roaming to be competitively viable, there needs to be some semblance of reliability to it. At this point, though, we have to question whether Riot would implement a mechanic that makes ganking *guarantee* kills. remove flash :D | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Shifft
Canada1085 Posts
On April 23 2012 09:36 HazMat wrote: Is it just me or do you not lose Elo for queue dodging anymore? Oh god if this is true I'll dodge every second game. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On April 23 2012 09:20 Shikyo wrote: Make it so that you are unable to flash away from an enemy if they are within 1000 range from you =O meh. they just need to nerf wards | ||
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