On April 22 2012 15:27 sRapers_ValkS wrote: What do you guys think about Lux against Cassio mid?
lux gets raped cause of stupid long cd
Pretty much this. Even if the Cass is terrible and misses almost every q, they just have to hit one and there goes half of your hp from the twing fang followup. If you miss a q as Lux, she can be in your face and zone you off of creeps for the next 10-15 seconds or so. The Cass has to be criminally bad for the Lux to even have a chance.
For what it's worth I think the extra healing on SV is greatly overstated. It's +10% which is worth 2% spell vamp and maybe 1 HP5 after WotA on champs with no other sources of healing. The other stats are fine but anyone pretending that WotA + negatron isn't better for lane sustain is kidding themselves given that you don't even need HP for lane sustain.
Even on Vladimir you get more healing per gold going CDR boots + Wota/DC and only after that would you finish SV, counting resists. Yet you see Dyrus in tournaments going straight sorc shoes into hourglass first and winning lanes and games like a boss. Maximizing healing might be one playstyle but if it's optional on Vlad I can hardly imagine it being central on other characters.
That said I think the stats on it are underrated because CDR is like arpen: impossible to put a gold value on.
On April 22 2012 11:37 turdburgler wrote: doesnt kayle get dunked by teemo?
Kayle's E (the magic damage porton) is supposed to hit through blinds and jax's counterstrike. It doesn't help much vs jax as you want to be running from him when he's using his counterstrike, but it should let her trade more evenly with teemos. I've never played the matchup against teemos and all the times I've played against jaxes and lee sins they've been nonconfrontational at early levels letting me get a big lead.
If you max teemo's Q his blind lasts longer but he doesn't get the damage on his poison. If you max poison the blind duration is shorter. Not sure how kayle's supposed to get "dunked" by teemo.
On April 22 2012 11:37 turdburgler wrote: doesnt kayle get dunked by teemo?
Kayle's E (the magic damage porton) is supposed to hit through blinds and jax's counterstrike. It doesn't help much vs jax as you want to be running from him when he's using his counterstrike, but it should let her trade more evenly with teemos. I've never played the matchup against teemos and all the times I've played against jaxes and lee sins they've been nonconfrontational at early levels letting me get a big lead.
If you max teemo's Q his blind lasts longer but he doesn't get the damage on his poison. If you max poison the blind duration is shorter. Not sure how kayle's supposed to get "dunked" by teemo.
Yeah but teemo's poison does a lot more damage overall and he has a higher base AS. Basically, If you fight him the moment you engage on him with q + e active he just blinds you. You miss 3 or more of your auto's even though he takes the magic damage, and then he still out dps's you from poison anyway. You either will die if you keep fighting or you run, in which case he can move quick and move faster than you with your w on, getting a few more potshots, and you're going to end up with a lot less hp cause of poison ticks. He's like the most abusive laner in the game except for like....yorick, and maybe kennen.
On April 22 2012 11:37 turdburgler wrote: doesnt kayle get dunked by teemo?
Kayle's E (the magic damage porton) is supposed to hit through blinds and jax's counterstrike. It doesn't help much vs jax as you want to be running from him when he's using his counterstrike, but it should let her trade more evenly with teemos. I've never played the matchup against teemos and all the times I've played against jaxes and lee sins they've been nonconfrontational at early levels letting me get a big lead.
If you max teemo's Q his blind lasts longer but he doesn't get the damage on his poison. If you max poison the blind duration is shorter. Not sure how kayle's supposed to get "dunked" by teemo.
How does this sound for a functional tri-lane bottom?
Veigar: XP quints gold/5 seals, flat AP glyphs, Mpen Marks 9/0/21 masteries focusing on mana regen/xp/cdr/AP/gold Start of game items: Faerie pendant, rejuv bead, 1 mana pot
Zilean: XP Quints flat mana regen seals, flat mana glyphs, flat mana regen marks, 0/9/21 focusing on hp/armor/xp/gold/manaregen/cdr Start of game items: Mana Manipulator
Caitlyn: Arpen Marks, flat AD runes, flat armor seal, MR/lvl Glyph 21/9/0 masteries, normal. Start of game items: Dorans Blade
Caitlyn gets ALL cs bot, you start at wraiths clear it then give cait red, clear it and then get into lane just as the creeps get low. veigar harrasses with Q, zilean can harrass with bomb and use slow, cait farms and can put a trap underneath anyone slowed or stunned by veig for much longer duration. the +19% xp from zil/mastery/runes allows the tri laners (except cait who gets only +8% xp, but all the gold/kills) to lvl at the same pace as the duo lane, and perhaps better due to massive harrassment. this set up allows easy dragon control, the ability to steal the opponents blue buff for mid so you don't lose out on anything from the jungler for the team, except top lane, who would have to pick a character that has good sustain and escape, but with slightly better xp because of zil, and a lot of gold from bot tower and dragon early on, top lane should do already. Veigar builds HoG/Philo quickly, zileans gets philo. and cait just farms everything.