EPT[Patch 1.0.0.138: Hecarim] General Discussion - Page 60
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On April 22 2012 18:35 Wetty wrote: The extra healing is an increase to EHP, making it a valuable addition to the equation which you seem to be ignoring. This is wrong. It's not valuable, and I am considering it. Mathematically, it is not that good a deal. Period. Midrange items typically have grossly high cost to value ratios and visage is pretty much on par with base items. Look at glacial shroud which is straight up 500 gold above cost and loses stats because it builds into heart. Also, buying SV isnt about being really tanky, ofc you can do that better with other items straight up. The idea is its a defensive item with other stats that can be quite useful to certain champions. It gives you a well rounded option at a reasonable price to have strong mid game survivability. Having a single stat defensive item that builds into something bigger isnt as strong because you get no multiplication affect. Not until you actually finish the item are you getting the full benefit of the slot spent on it. It's true you aren't getting the full benefit of the item you are going to build a chain vest into until you finish the upgrade, but the chain vest itself is very competitive with SV. The idea of an item like SV is that its strong in the mid game when you first finish it. As the game goes on, sure, having completed the deathcap instead of having its components would make a big difference. But, if the SV has given you an advantage early on that you might otherwise not of had, then you'll be at a very similar spot. In the late game, its always possible to sell it for another item of hiring value, and its resell price is much better than doran's which is an item commonly brought for the same purpose as i propose for SV - to give you a stronger mid game leading into your first major item purchase. Its not uncommon for a player to buy 3 dorans rings on an AP mid to acquire some extra early power... This has a very similar cost to buying a SV, yet the rings take 2 additional slots and resell for significantly less. You are incorrectly assuming I think midrange items are bad generally. On April 22 2012 18:44 De4ngus wrote: o look dyrus with spirit visage on renekton atm. he must be a terrible player. hurrrr. How long did people run manamune corki? How long did chu get away with roa triforce maokai? | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On vladimir, SV gives you no offence while giving you defensive stats that you can get without delaying your core significantly anyways. You could get negatron+finish your wota (or get a blasting wand if you already have wota) and you get MR, more damage, healing, and health cuz of your passive. Sure CDR is nice and I like to get kindlegem if I don't have enough gold to buy a bigger item and sell it later on if I get to the point where I start getting blue pots but I still feel getting SV after wota on vladimir just isn't worth it in most cases. SV imo works better for those sustain dependent bruisers who rely on their base damage while building tanky. Vlad's primary role is still to do damage. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On April 22 2012 07:20 Two_DoWn wrote: T_D Jungle fortune cookie of the day: True Jungle mastery is being able to play a ganking jungle as a farmer and a farming jungle as a ganker. Nah, this is easy. Farming jungle clears faster so it's easier to gank a lot and ganking junglers clear slower so if you try to farm constantly you'll not have time to gank. It's the other way around that's harder. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
viewership INSTA increased from 15k to 17k xD + Show Spoiler + edit. 18k now edit2. 20k soon tldr: dyrus went afk because team too bad, ppl rages at forums... viewership increased... from now every streamer should afk more imho... | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
The most fun lane was with Ezrael (vs graves & cow). So much poke. Afterwards the enemy graves complemented me and said he was going crazy with the dodging. A nice tip for people who want to have some fun. Its absolutely awesome. Just need to ban soraka :D | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
summoner name : jjonga | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On April 22 2012 19:06 Beyonder wrote: Oh man Ive been playing Nidalee support (@1700 elo). I rush 3x GP5 before boots and play with a lot of mana regen runes and money quints. I am 7-2 in ranked. Every game so far Ive been carring, often getting more cash than our mid/top/jungle. My spears have been absolutely destroying. People shout: OH NO NOT NIDA SUPPORT at the start, and hail me afterwards. On average in the games Ive been earning 11.2k gold, carrying the team with a quick rabadons. The most fun lane was with Ezrael (vs graves & cow). So much poke. Afterwards the enemy graves complemented me and said he was going crazy with the dodging. A nice tip for people who want to have some fun. Its absolutely awesome. Just need to ban soraka :D Yeah... I've had a game or two vs nida support before. Spears are really hard to dodge and the mana cost is really low >_> poke too good. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On April 22 2012 19:07 nyxnyxnyx wrote: if there's anyone on NA right now who wants to duo q i'm 1400 elo and ready to play like a pro 1600 player summoner name : jjonga Fuck where you find so many accounts. Me need smurfT.T | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 22 2012 20:35 IntoTheheart wrote: Ahaha the Atma nerf. At least they didn't target the armour or the crit. They can't really do that, it's just the base stats of the components. | ||
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jadoth
694 Posts
On April 22 2012 16:37 De4ngus wrote: btw the game loading sound is so loud now. that shit scares me everytime. it reverbs and causes my speakers to crackle. i thought my sound was bugged. they intentionally changed it to be this loud? On April 22 2012 12:23 Chexx wrote: I always wanted to try a blitzcrank support + alistar ad lane. Seemed in theory so strong and fun why would you run blitz as the sup when blitz scales so much harder than ali? | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On April 22 2012 21:16 jadoth wrote: it reverbs and causes my speakers to crackle. i thought my sound was bugged. they intentionally changed it to be this loud? why would you run blitz as the sup when blitz scales so much harder than ali? No one knows how well blitz really scales, not even clg apparently when they ran support blitz n gave the farm to alis. Attackspeed buff and AD duplicator(this the right word?!) apparently not as good as having cc. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
support blitz versus leona hahaha | ||
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jadoth
694 Posts
On April 22 2012 21:23 JackDino wrote: No one knows how well blitz really scales, not even clg apparently when they ran support blitz n gave the farm to alis. Attackspeed buff and AD duplicator(this the right word?!) apparently not as good as having cc. a while ago i had a like 1 hour 10 minute game so everyone got to full build and they had a support blitz and he was ungodly tanky. i was trist and it felt like i wasn't doing damage to him. he 1v1ed a wu with him starting at like 10% and wu at 50%. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
it reverbs and causes my speakers to crackle. i think the crackling is in the soundfile, i dont think my headphones would crackle from that and i heard hear it when i used them and started a game. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Pretty much this. Even if the Cass is terrible and misses almost every q, they just have to hit one and there goes half of your hp from the twing fang followup. If you miss a q as Lux, she can be in your face and zone you off of creeps for the next 10-15 seconds or so. The Cass has to be criminally bad for the Lux to even have a chance. | ||
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