[Patch 1.0.0.138: Hecarim] General Discussion - Page 58

On April 22 2012 12:15 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:


You mean the fact that I have shit for farm on mundo or that I always forget to gank when I'm playing shaco/xin proves I'm super gosu at this game? Thanks!

On April 22 2012 14:12 dooraven wrote:
lol I agree that AD Kayle top is superb, went 17w/4L today with her.

support Kayle is interesting.

On April 22 2012 15:06 UniversalSnip wrote:
spirit visage sucks.

It's not even a slot thing, it's just not particularly cost efficient.

On April 22 2012 15:17 Wetty wrote:


On a high sustain champ like vlad? Sucks is definitely the wrong word. For the 300g combine cost, you get +50 hp, +6 MR and the 15% increased healing. Given that at the stage in the game you buy it, that amount of health/MR/CDR is relevant and useful, on someone generating so much extra healing its a pretty good item. For vlad, its great, as he scales off health as well, for mord its not quite as good but "sucks" would still be the wrong word for it given the fact that it synergises well with the health return from his ult.

Ocelotte used to play a cass build revolving around having wota + a revolver and SV, and it worked great in the situations he'd use it. You could argue that its a completely cost inefficient build (which it somewhat is) but he'd be completely unstoppable with it.

Needless to say, saying that SV straight out sucks its wrong, it certainly has it's uses

On April 22 2012 15:17 Wetty wrote:


On a high sustain champ like vlad? Sucks is definitely the wrong word. For the 300g combine cost, you get +50 hp, +6 MR and the 15% increased healing. Given that at the stage in the game you buy it, that amount of health/MR/CDR is relevant and useful, on someone generating so much extra healing its a pretty good item. For vlad, its great, as he scales off health as well, for mord its not quite as good but "sucks" would still be the wrong word for it given the fact that it synergises well with the health return from his ult.

Ocelotte used to play a cass build revolving around having wota + a revolver and SV, and it worked great in the situations he'd use it. You could argue that its a completely cost inefficient build (which it somewhat is) but he'd be completely unstoppable with it.

Needless to say, saying that SV straight out sucks its wrong, it certainly has it's uses

On April 22 2012 15:44 UniversalSnip wrote:


I know what the item does and I know how much it costs and how valuable the stats are. I also know people have built it in the past and some continue to build it, including some excellent players. I'm aware of all of this and the item sucks. You can be just as strong building base items and then when you turn them into high end items they make visage look like garbage. Why wouldn't you just finish wota instead of working on visage? Or buy a negatron or a giant's belt or something? Ugh.

On April 22 2012 15:27 sRapers_ValkS wrote:
What do you guys think about Lux against Cassio mid?

On April 22 2012 15:44 UniversalSnip wrote:


I know what the item does and I know how much it costs and how valuable the stats are. I also know people have built it in the past and some continue to build it, including some excellent players. I'm aware of all of this and the item sucks. You can be just as strong building base items and then when you turn them into high end items they make visage look like garbage. Why wouldn't you just finish wota instead of working on visage? Or buy a negatron or a giant's belt or something? Ugh.

On April 22 2012 15:52 Wetty wrote:


Sometimes you don't have the gold to straight up buy something big, like a neg or a giants belt, where you might have the gold to build the smaller components to make a visage. Sure, working on wota instead is a good idea, but you can have both. I think the orginal post was looking at SV as an item you can build towards instead of buying several dorans items early on for champions where dorans items dont actually work and where SV is better than average due to the increased healing. The fact is, having a giants belt or a neg isn't straight up better than a SV,

and if the game doesnt go to a full item build, the SV is a strong slot to have for some champions.

It has more use than many other items in this game see,

and saying that it straight up sucks is just misleading. Its on of many options and in some situations, the right choice.

On April 22 2012 16:18 De4ngus wrote:
lol are you trolling? spirit visage is fine wtf. have you play warwick before? like 10 other champs can make good use out of it as well.

On April 22 2012 16:14 UniversalSnip wrote:
Ok after some more thought I think one thing people are missing here is that healing is not a stat you wanna stack to infinity anyway. This is the same reason manamune banshees frozen is a horrible build. Adding a multiplier along the axis of a stat that sucks worse and worse the more you get of it is the opposite of powerful. An item has to be really, really freaking OP to make a build like that good. SV actually used to be but it's gotten nerfed to the point of fairness, ie, it sucks.

On April 22 2012 16:32 Wetty wrote:


Could you explain this better? Not really sure what your trying to state. How is healing "worse and worse" the more you get?

It increases your EHP significantly and stacks multiplicative with other defensive stats (which the item has some of) and I feel that you also vastly undervalue CDR, especially on a characters (vlad/mord) that may not be carrying blue.