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Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
April 21 2012 21:02 GMT
#1101
On April 22 2012 05:58 MooMooMugi wrote:
You can condemn people though it because its not a solid obstacle, its considered a light obstacle therefore condemn goes through, not stun against it

No, you can condemn people through it because they haven't figured out how to code terrain interactions to work with temporary terrain.
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
April 21 2012 21:09 GMT
#1102
How the hell do you deal with Ali/Blitz bottom with a jungler that doesn't gank?

I played Vayne and my friend played Taric, we tried to play super safe, but one hook meant insta death(they were running exh/ignite). We had a Shyv who refused to gank bottom at all and bitched at us the rest of the game. We didn't know they were running it until after we had picked, because they picked last. Are there any suggested supports that can deal with the lane, or strategy for it?

I was thinking of picking Tristana, but changed my mind last second :/
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 21:16:35
April 21 2012 21:15 GMT
#1103
On April 22 2012 06:09 Mondeezy wrote:
How the hell do you deal with Ali/Blitz bottom with a jungler that doesn't gank?

I played Vayne and my friend played Taric, we tried to play super safe, but one hook meant insta death(they were running exh/ignite). We had a Shyv who refused to gank bottom at all and bitched at us the rest of the game. We didn't know they were running it until after we had picked, because they picked last. Are there any suggested supports that can deal with the lane, or strategy for it?

I was thinking of picking Tristana, but changed my mind last second :/


Wards shut down that lane pretty easily. As long as you see them, they should never be able to catch you off guard. This should happen from the beginning, and should not be a reactive thing. It's not really the jungler's fault if you don't ward properly since the beginning.

Also on a side note, as long as you play defensively, you should be able to out damage them late game.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
April 21 2012 21:16 GMT
#1104
Ward the brush, don't get hooked. You die to any blitz lane if you eat hooks, alistar doesn't make that anymore special.
Remember Violet.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
April 21 2012 21:17 GMT
#1105
On April 22 2012 06:09 Mondeezy wrote:
How the hell do you deal with Ali/Blitz bottom with a jungler that doesn't gank?

I played Vayne and my friend played Taric, we tried to play super safe, but one hook meant insta death(they were running exh/ignite). We had a Shyv who refused to gank bottom at all and bitched at us the rest of the game. We didn't know they were running it until after we had picked, because they picked last. Are there any suggested supports that can deal with the lane, or strategy for it?

I was thinking of picking Tristana, but changed my mind last second :/



If the hooks are your problem, don't get grabbed? It's a skillshot, tumble out of it. Get brush control with wards and just get the cs you can get. They obviously are trying to kill you, but Vayne scales 1000 times harder than both of them combined.

Support wise, take Janna. One good tornado will allow you to get out of the cc chain and the shield helps too. And if both fail she still has ult and dat passive.
Nafaltar
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany302 Posts
April 21 2012 21:18 GMT
#1106
Just play safe to lvl3 with Taric going Stun/Aura/Aura then start killing the Alistar aggressively is what I'd try.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 21:28:16
April 21 2012 21:27 GMT
#1107
Just pick corki and push the lane, can't grab you with huge minion wave, if they try to run past minions and grab you it's easier to avoid the hook. Just gotta be careful you dont get hit by alistar. Corki good at pushing+escape.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 21:38:17
April 21 2012 21:33 GMT
#1108
Interesting comp for Luna Gaming in Game 2 of the 4PL finals. Jungle Jax, top Twitch, mid Viktor, bottom Taric/Urgot.

Edit: Nope. Viktor top, Urgot mid, Twitch bot.
Zero fighting.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
April 21 2012 21:48 GMT
#1109
On April 22 2012 06:33 Jaksiel wrote:
Interesting comp for Luna Gaming in Game 2 of the 4PL finals. Jungle Jax, top Twitch, mid Viktor, bottom Taric/Urgot.

Edit: Nope. Viktor top, Urgot mid, Twitch bot.

Wish it was doing better
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
NSANE.hydra
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States644 Posts
April 21 2012 21:56 GMT
#1110
xerath is a really good choice vs twitch, and also good to mid against urgot imo, good pick.
"fuck mech...I could 4pool and as long as he's simply PLANNING on going mech, I'll lose"
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
April 21 2012 22:14 GMT
#1111
Wth I don't understand how TOO has 3.5k health on noc with that build.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 21 2012 22:20 GMT
#1112
T_D Jungle fortune cookie of the day:

True Jungle mastery is being able to play a ganking jungle as a farmer and a farming jungle as a ganker.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 23:10:47
April 21 2012 22:59 GMT
#1113
Link please.

EDIT: Guess I missed it, dang.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
April 21 2012 23:34 GMT
#1114
Fuck Richard Branson
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 23:43:00
April 21 2012 23:41 GMT
#1115
On April 22 2012 06:09 Mondeezy wrote:
How the hell do you deal with Ali/Blitz bottom with a jungler that doesn't gank?

I played Vayne and my friend played Taric, we tried to play super safe, but one hook meant insta death(they were running exh/ignite). We had a Shyv who refused to gank bottom at all and bitched at us the rest of the game. We didn't know they were running it until after we had picked, because they picked last. Are there any suggested supports that can deal with the lane, or strategy for it?

I was thinking of picking Tristana, but changed my mind last second :/


yeah that was your fault... you just need to ward and give up cs when you have to. It's not the jungler's fault you fed your lane, and it's not his job to fix your bad play. It's not gonna matter if he ganks if you keep failing after he gives you kills because you don't realize you're doing shit wrong.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
April 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#1116
Freeze minions in front of tower, keep lane brush warded as much as possible. Pink gank paths to allow the jungler to do something. Always stand out of range / behind minions.
twitch.tv/cratonz
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 22 2012 00:22 GMT
#1117
How much Burst can Blitz-Ali do? They are both tanky/cc characters. I feel like you have ranged to harass any last hits they go for and your support should have enough cc to save one grab. If you ward river and stay riverside of minions, should not be hard to outfarm them pretty hard while harassing and staying alive.
Freeeeeeedom
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
April 22 2012 00:40 GMT
#1118
On April 22 2012 09:22 cLutZ wrote:
How much Burst can Blitz-Ali do? They are both tanky/cc characters. I feel like you have ranged to harass any last hits they go for and your support should have enough cc to save one grab. If you ward river and stay riverside of minions, should not be hard to outfarm them pretty hard while harassing and staying alive.

enough to 100 to 0 pretty much anyone at level 2 with ignite

at most points in the lane a pull = a kill, you can basically deny people with fear of getting hooked
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-22 00:45:49
April 22 2012 00:45 GMT
#1119
Kill lanes are always like that, you have to play super safe and to try farm as much as you can, hoping your jungler ganks for you. When you go into the mid game you scale much better than them and they fall off drastically. They NEED kills to snowball or theyre basically useless
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
April 22 2012 00:48 GMT
#1120
Yeah pretty much don't get grabbed and miss cs if you have to. You win hard lategame.
=O
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