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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 27 2012 18:34 GMT
#2341
Haha, my comment was a little tongue-in-cheek.

In reality, you're probably right. M5 would want to learn/practice against Froggen as much as possible, especially in scrims.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23404 Posts
April 27 2012 18:39 GMT
#2342
I'd ban her until he stopped practicing anivia, a bit like westrice with akali.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
April 27 2012 18:58 GMT
#2343
Froggen's been on an AP Kog and Ahri kick for awhile. Banning Anivia doesn't do much.
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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
April 27 2012 19:14 GMT
#2344
Has anyone heard anything Riot buffing Irelia a bit? Heard Morello talking about how they hit her too hard, which I still agree with.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
April 27 2012 19:17 GMT
#2345
Dude, guys, leona is seriously the most fun support in this game. Even with zero farm botlane you get to be aggressive, jump on people into the thick of the fight, and initiate all over the place with ultimate.. That and she's #1 for stealing kills from your carry.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 27 2012 19:18 GMT
#2346
On April 28 2012 04:17 phyvo wrote:
Dude, guys, leona is seriously the most fun support in this game. Even with zero farm botlane you get to be aggressive, jump on people into the thick of the fight, and initiate all over the place with ultimate.. That and she's #1 for stealing kills from your carry.

I'm not sure what carries you are playing with but usually carries get the kill, especially considering leonas passive.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
April 27 2012 19:23 GMT
#2347
On April 28 2012 04:18 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 04:17 phyvo wrote:
Dude, guys, leona is seriously the most fun support in this game. Even with zero farm botlane you get to be aggressive, jump on people into the thick of the fight, and initiate all over the place with ultimate.. That and she's #1 for stealing kills from your carry.

I'm not sure what carries you are playing with but usually carries get the kill, especially considering leonas passive.

I don't know if this has been fixed, but on release if Leona's passive was triggered for the kill it went to Leona. My personal favorite moment playing Leona was on release week. I got a triple kill popping improved fortify and dropping the ultimate on 3 people. Those were the days.
Mystogun
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States392 Posts
April 27 2012 19:28 GMT
#2348
On April 28 2012 04:14 Cloud9157 wrote:
Has anyone heard anything Riot buffing Irelia a bit? Heard Morello talking about how they hit her too hard, which I still agree with.


I haven't heard anything about it, but I don't really mind at my level. I pretty much just play Irelia, and the nerfs mean no one picks her but me, and it definitely separates good Irelias from greater ones. Her laning pre-9 is still more difficult, but if you can make it to 9 without feeding and farming up it's about the same as it was before.
"What I'm sayin' is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns, but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know we don't know." | SC2: NoiSe.730 | LoL: Galladiator
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
April 27 2012 19:29 GMT
#2349
Even on some of the higher end teams that run leona, leona tends to get kills. At least that's been the case every time I see them run her.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 27 2012 19:31 GMT
#2350
It's always a pain in the ass to balance sustain-oriented laners because it always comes down, very precisely, to the numbers. They can just +/- tweak the numbers on W until they find something that fits I guess.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
April 27 2012 19:36 GMT
#2351
Here are the numbers on Irelia from PBE.

Damage increased: 56.3 (+3.3 per level), to 59.3 (+3.3 per level).
Health increased: 515 (+85 per level), to 546 (+90 per level).
Health per 5 sec increased: 6.5, to 7.5.

It's to coincide with the release of her newest skin. Buff the champion and sell more skins, it's the Riot way.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
April 27 2012 19:40 GMT
#2352
On April 28 2012 04:28 Mystogun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 04:14 Cloud9157 wrote:
Has anyone heard anything Riot buffing Irelia a bit? Heard Morello talking about how they hit her too hard, which I still agree with.


I haven't heard anything about it, but I don't really mind at my level. I pretty much just play Irelia, and the nerfs mean no one picks her but me, and it definitely separates good Irelias from greater ones. Her laning pre-9 is still more difficult, but if you can make it to 9 without feeding and farming up it's about the same as it was before.


Yeah, I feel the same way.

If you don't feed and are able to just last hit at tower/freeze the lane, then you're in good shape and will be a monster mid-late game.

My main problem is that she already got bullied pretty hard by some tops before the nerf (Riven and Olaf are 2 perfect examples) and the idea is that if you can survive that portion of the game, you should be able to start winning against them around 8-11.

Idunno, just my take on it. The nerf took her retarded matchups and made them even harder to play. I felt that maybe if they made her W last a second or 2 longer or if they had hit her restoration by 25% (so I'm bad at math but I believe that is 19.5 hp/strike at lvl 5 W) it would have been a much more reasonable nerf. 50% just seemed WAY too harsh imo.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Mystogun
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States392 Posts
April 27 2012 19:44 GMT
#2353
On April 28 2012 04:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 04:28 Mystogun wrote:
On April 28 2012 04:14 Cloud9157 wrote:
Has anyone heard anything Riot buffing Irelia a bit? Heard Morello talking about how they hit her too hard, which I still agree with.


I haven't heard anything about it, but I don't really mind at my level. I pretty much just play Irelia, and the nerfs mean no one picks her but me, and it definitely separates good Irelias from greater ones. Her laning pre-9 is still more difficult, but if you can make it to 9 without feeding and farming up it's about the same as it was before.


Yeah, I feel the same way.

If you don't feed and are able to just last hit at tower/freeze the lane, then you're in good shape and will be a monster mid-late game.

My main problem is that she already got bullied pretty hard by some tops before the nerf (Riven and Olaf are 2 perfect examples) and the idea is that if you can survive that portion of the game, you should be able to start winning against them around 8-11.

Idunno, just my take on it. The nerf took her retarded matchups and made them even harder to play. I felt that maybe if they made her W last a second or 2 longer or if they had hit her restoration by 25% (so I'm bad at math but I believe that is 19.5 hp/strike at lvl 5 W) it would have been a much more reasonable nerf. 50% just seemed WAY too harsh imo.


Yeah, that coupled with the wriggles nerf in the same patch made a lot of people think she was straight unplayable. Her last hitting under tower is still really good, I just wish that they gave the ult back some damage. It just really does not feel like an ultimate. It just clears waves =/ I never actually notice the healing, and the damage is pretty insignificant late-game.
"What I'm sayin' is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns, but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know we don't know." | SC2: NoiSe.730 | LoL: Galladiator
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
April 27 2012 19:52 GMT
#2354
if irelia is unplayable, you guys must think 75% of the champs are unplayable
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
April 27 2012 19:55 GMT
#2355
On April 28 2012 04:52 Silidons wrote:
if irelia is unplayable, you guys must think 75% of the champs are unplayable


I don't think she is, it just takes even more effort to play her now.

Between the fact that people realize that you NEED to pretty much shut her down early and her even worse matchups now, its pretty frustrating to play her.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
April 27 2012 20:07 GMT
#2356
I've been playing her bot lane with Ali. Works pretty well, Irelia goes in and w+auto+q+auto then Ali jumps in with wq. Haven't lost lane vs the standard ad carry support lanes yet, but we have only done it a handful of times.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 27 2012 20:08 GMT
#2357
On April 28 2012 04:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 04:28 Mystogun wrote:
On April 28 2012 04:14 Cloud9157 wrote:
Has anyone heard anything Riot buffing Irelia a bit? Heard Morello talking about how they hit her too hard, which I still agree with.


I haven't heard anything about it, but I don't really mind at my level. I pretty much just play Irelia, and the nerfs mean no one picks her but me, and it definitely separates good Irelias from greater ones. Her laning pre-9 is still more difficult, but if you can make it to 9 without feeding and farming up it's about the same as it was before.


Yeah, I feel the same way.

If you don't feed and are able to just last hit at tower/freeze the lane, then you're in good shape and will be a monster mid-late game.

My main problem is that she already got bullied pretty hard by some tops before the nerf (Riven and Olaf are 2 perfect examples) and the idea is that if you can survive that portion of the game, you should be able to start winning against them around 8-11.

Idunno, just my take on it. The nerf took her retarded matchups and made them even harder to play. I felt that maybe if they made her W last a second or 2 longer or if they had hit her restoration by 25% (so I'm bad at math but I believe that is 19.5 hp/strike at lvl 5 W) it would have been a much more reasonable nerf. 50% just seemed WAY too harsh imo.


riven and olaf are two really good lanes for irelia though
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 27 2012 20:14 GMT
#2358
On April 28 2012 05:08 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2012 04:40 Cloud9157 wrote:
On April 28 2012 04:28 Mystogun wrote:
On April 28 2012 04:14 Cloud9157 wrote:
Has anyone heard anything Riot buffing Irelia a bit? Heard Morello talking about how they hit her too hard, which I still agree with.


I haven't heard anything about it, but I don't really mind at my level. I pretty much just play Irelia, and the nerfs mean no one picks her but me, and it definitely separates good Irelias from greater ones. Her laning pre-9 is still more difficult, but if you can make it to 9 without feeding and farming up it's about the same as it was before.


Yeah, I feel the same way.

If you don't feed and are able to just last hit at tower/freeze the lane, then you're in good shape and will be a monster mid-late game.

My main problem is that she already got bullied pretty hard by some tops before the nerf (Riven and Olaf are 2 perfect examples) and the idea is that if you can survive that portion of the game, you should be able to start winning against them around 8-11.

Idunno, just my take on it. The nerf took her retarded matchups and made them even harder to play. I felt that maybe if they made her W last a second or 2 longer or if they had hit her restoration by 25% (so I'm bad at math but I believe that is 19.5 hp/strike at lvl 5 W) it would have been a much more reasonable nerf. 50% just seemed WAY too harsh imo.


riven and olaf are two really good lanes for irelia though


Really =O ?
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 27 2012 20:15 GMT
#2359
Semi final of corsair cup (10k $), CLGeu vs Sk running atm.
CLG up 1-0.

http://www.twitch.tv/kaostv
http://leaguepedia.absolutelegends.net/wiki/Corsair_Vengeance_Cup_Playoffs
Off-season = best season
jaymik
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (South)425 Posts
April 27 2012 20:17 GMT
#2360
king shit
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/next-patch-full-release-spectator-mode
jaymik kr/na
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