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Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
March 20 2012 10:53 GMT
#161
NA up :3
LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 20 2012 11:05 GMT
#162
Just got up for the morning and...god damnit Phreak. Bad enough everybody was going to take Lulu mid, now they're going to jungle with her too.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 20 2012 11:07 GMT
#163
Time to find a stream fo someone playing Lulu I guess? Though they'll prob all send her mid.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 20 2012 11:13 GMT
#164
Man, I want to play lulu so much. But on CN server Fiora will come..tomorrow. 2 weeks behinds the rest of the world is a pain in da ass.
Terran
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
March 20 2012 11:17 GMT
#165
On March 20 2012 19:36 Erasme wrote:
fuck, free Ori week means i'll see more brainless idiot playing her.


So far I've seen about two decent ones(this week).

As for the rest...it's painful to even talk about how badly they were feeding.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 11:34:49
March 20 2012 11:34 GMT
#166
On March 20 2012 18:59 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 14:41 UniversalSnip wrote:
On March 20 2012 14:17 Craton wrote:
On March 20 2012 13:52 Ryuu314 wrote:
if they nerf shen's ult range he'll be 100% unplayed.

You mean like how TF, Panth, and Noct are 100% unplayed?

Please.


It's not really the same. Shen ult is really reactive, tf panth and noct ult you can go gank a lane with.

If instead of shielding it did something that helped a gank, like ccing enemies next to the target, a range nerf wouldn't hurt that badly.

It's very much the same. Shen ult can be used both offensively to gank and defensively to counter gank, just like all of the other global teleport ults. You SHOULD have to move toward a lane before you can instantly teleport to it. You should NOT be able to afk farm bot lane and then immediately join a fight at dragon or baron (especially when said split push is optimal play with 0 disadvantages). Nor should you be able to cross the entire map to counter gank from top to bottom.

When you play against Shen you can't force objectives or gank unless you have a multiple person advantage going into it to offset Shen coming with a giant shield. This forces you to play passively and defensively, lest you try to go aggressive and get stung by the ult counter. It's especially shitty when Shen is the jungler because you can't even get the consolation prize of tower damage.

The exact reason they nerfed all of the globals ults was because of all these abuse cases. Well, they overbuffed shen and apparently don't want to make him unviable again, so this is the only solution to bringing him in line with everything else.


The shen ult in my opinion is much less aggressive than the Noc/Panth/TF ult. The reason is that you port to one of your teammates and not directly to the enemy. Yes you can use it with a bit of coordination for ganking, but the other ults let you literally jump on top of the enemy. I think that makes a big difference.

You are of course right, that Shen forces you to be less aggressive but he doesn't really "gank" in those cases. I would also like to add, that from a technical point of view Shen's ult is the only one of the four mentioned so far that can be cancelled by killing his target. The shield will go off, but he does not port. I'm aware though that in most relevant cases, you won't be able to kill the target. But maybe if people get more used to play against Shen, they will start to take this into account at high levels of play.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 20 2012 11:34 GMT
#167
I don't understand why all those life steal items were nerfed. Were they really that strong?
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 11:44:06
March 20 2012 11:43 GMT
#168
You don't need to nerf the shen ulti range... In my opinion just removing the shield and perhaps increasing the channeling time would at least fix it assuming it's broken.
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Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
March 20 2012 11:47 GMT
#169
The thing about Shen's ulti is cause it is global, allowing for a very strong 1v1'er ( Shen) to split push and be able to instantly join a 4v4 team fight elsewhere on the map.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 20 2012 11:50 GMT
#170
You btw can counter that by running teleport
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
March 20 2012 11:56 GMT
#171
On March 20 2012 20:43 Shikyo wrote:
You don't need to nerf the shen ulti range... In my opinion just removing the shield and perhaps increasing the channeling time would at least fix it assuming it's broken.


The shield is what made the ability. It was originally intended to be a "savior" ult, like Soraka's. Removing it would make it just a second teleport.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
March 20 2012 11:56 GMT
#172
The Lulu spotlight definitly got me. «Even though she's a support, I play her as a jungler», I DIDN'T EXPECT THAT.

Btw Triforce seems cool on her kekeke.
The legend of Darien lives on
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 20 2012 12:08 GMT
#173
On March 20 2012 20:56 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 20:43 Shikyo wrote:
You don't need to nerf the shen ulti range... In my opinion just removing the shield and perhaps increasing the channeling time would at least fix it assuming it's broken.


The shield is what made the ability. It was originally intended to be a "savior" ult, like Soraka's. Removing it would make it just a second teleport.

What makes the ability is you teleporting to your ally ;s
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
March 20 2012 12:11 GMT
#174
On March 20 2012 11:35 NeoIllusions wrote:
Shaco
Fixed a bug that caused Deceive to sometimes deal more damage than intended

I once had a shaco hit me for 68% on one deceive with just a triforce. My immediate reaction was "that's batshit crazy." If that happened all the time, then I think it's safe to say that shaco isn't a big threat anymore.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
March 20 2012 12:13 GMT
#175
You could make shen ult like noct ult, first cast will shield your selected ally, second cast will let you teleport if ally is in range. Or just run noct, use it during teamfight so shen can't tp, or just shadow shen and ult him when he ults;p
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 20 2012 12:16 GMT
#176
On March 20 2012 20:17 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 19:36 Erasme wrote:
fuck, free Ori week means i'll see more brainless idiot playing her.


So far I've seen about two decent ones(this week).

As for the rest...it's painful to even talk about how badly they were feeding.

I main her. I don't know if i'll play this week since i'll probably be facepalming so hard every time someone take her and fail.
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BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
March 20 2012 12:21 GMT
#177
On March 20 2012 21:13 JackDino wrote:
You could make shen ult like noct ult, first cast will shield your selected ally, second cast will let you teleport if ally is in range. Or just run noct, use it during teamfight so shen can't tp, or just shadow shen and ult him when he ults;p


I would propose to make the channeling time range dependent. The further away he is, the longer it takes to channel. This would give the enemy time to react and also makes his actual position a bit more relevant. This doesn't have to be linear. So doing it halfway across the map could have a really long channeling time. The ult would be still global, but they could tune it a bit better.
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Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
March 20 2012 12:23 GMT
#178
Riot effectively killed Anivia with this patch.
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nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 20 2012 12:25 GMT
#179
On March 20 2012 21:23 Zato-1 wrote:
Riot effectively killed Anivia with this patch.



Or they forced her to go bot lane with soraka.

I think Riot hates AP mid. The reason AP mid exists is because of blue buff access
Gondlem
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia642 Posts
March 20 2012 12:28 GMT
#180
SV so hilarious right now on his stream. Anyone know who the Ryze he's duoing with is?
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