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dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
March 20 2012 08:26 GMT
#141
Curse Njacky plays an excellent Veigar, probably the best in NA.
Go go Alliance.
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 08:28:01
March 20 2012 08:26 GMT
#142
On March 20 2012 17:23 sToFu wrote:
Could anyone tell me about major streamers/players who play Veigar? I'm level 11 atm and I've been doing really badly after level 8. I've watched a couple scarra videos, but who else?

No one I've seen really plays him consistently. Only every now and then one person will play him at a random time but no regulars unfortunately.

Another note, Saint is commentating SK vs. AAA. Not sure if it's a current game, I think it's a replay or rebroadcast?
http://clgaming.net/live/258-clg-saintvicious
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 20 2012 08:30 GMT
#143
On March 20 2012 17:26 dooraven wrote:
Curse Njacky plays an excellent Veigar, probably the best in NA.


Best in the world more like. jiji's Veigar is strong too but I don't think he's played him as much. jiji went on a big Veigar spree right after his buffs and did really good in solo queue. Could probably look up vods on youtube. But yeah, Nyjacky is the best Veigar ever. He keeps stun at level 1 and can still full combo people who have mercs. It's sick.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 20 2012 08:33 GMT
#144
I believe jiji plays veigar from time to time.

The Janna 'nerf' is more of a fix in my eyes. It makes sense that the bonus only holds as long as the shield holds. People have been spoiled with it not working like that before.

The blue nerf I applaud. More spoiling of the AP mid has been going on. If you look at champs who use energy like kennen or the rumble heat-system, it seperates good from the kickass if you can manage that resource. Manausers just get blue and spam all day. There is no more saving up mana for that 1 combo to finish the enemy. Mana regeneration is frowned upon in a team. You dont get manaregen anymore 'you will have blue anyway'.

Manaregen should be a bigger thing, to seperate the good from the epic AP mids, blue change will help with that.

In other news, the girls in my team will have a mudwrestlingcontest in my head before every game who gets to play lulu from now on *yay*
KCCO!
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
March 20 2012 08:39 GMT
#145
Why no one mentioning loci when talking veigar
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 08:39:49
March 20 2012 08:39 GMT
#146
I think the blue buff nerf was good. If it totally destroys the playability of a champ (like possibly Anivia), I think Riot will just decrease that champ's mana costs to compensate. We'll see how much people can adapt to the super mana heavy champions.

On March 20 2012 17:39 JackDino wrote:
Why no one mentioning loci when talking veigar

When's the last time you saw him stream?
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
March 20 2012 08:43 GMT
#147
Just nicely ask him to stream some veigar games:p, or replays.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
March 20 2012 08:48 GMT
#148
On March 20 2012 17:26 beefhamburger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 17:23 sToFu wrote:
Could anyone tell me about major streamers/players who play Veigar? I'm level 11 atm and I've been doing really badly after level 8. I've watched a couple scarra videos, but who else?

No one I've seen really plays him consistently. Only every now and then one person will play him at a random time but no regulars unfortunately.

Another note, Saint is commentating SK vs. AAA. Not sure if it's a current game, I think it's a replay or rebroadcast?
http://clgaming.net/live/258-clg-saintvicious


That was from the recent IEM Hannover. According to him that was the 1st Saintvicious daily(name WIP imo).
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bobbob
Profile Joined December 2009
United States368 Posts
March 20 2012 09:17 GMT
#149
On March 20 2012 14:09 NSANE.hydra wrote:
Does anyone happen to know if Fiora's Riposte blocks GP Q?

It does. Amazing mindgames that went on last time I laned one.

All I can say is they should buff her other skills and nerf her ultimate. She is basically a one skill hero, but that skill is a bit too strong relative to other heroes' ults. She just snowballs too well by just pressing r and if your carry is in the area, he gets forced back.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 09:25:16
March 20 2012 09:23 GMT
#150
On March 20 2012 17:33 ihasaKAROT wrote:
I believe jiji plays veigar from time to time.

The Janna 'nerf' is more of a fix in my eyes. It makes sense that the bonus only holds as long as the shield holds. People have been spoiled with it not working like that before.

The blue nerf I applaud. More spoiling of the AP mid has been going on. If you look at champs who use energy like kennen or the rumble heat-system, it seperates good from the kickass if you can manage that resource. Manausers just get blue and spam all day. There is no more saving up mana for that 1 combo to finish the enemy. Mana regeneration is frowned upon in a team. You dont get manaregen anymore 'you will have blue anyway'.

Manaregen should be a bigger thing, to seperate the good from the epic AP mids, blue change will help with that.

In other news, the girls in my team will have a mudwrestlingcontest in my head before every game who gets to play lulu from now on *yay*


Thing is, mana regen is pretty binary, either you have enough to use for a reasonable amount of time while still being ready for a fight, or you don't. Mana efficient clearers who can make do without blue such as morg, annie, sion etc. can basically sit back, and farm indefinitely regardless of blue status, and having blue just means they can basically use skills on CD to farm without ever ooming due to mana costs.

Anivia is on the other end of the spectrum. Early game, even with blue, if she takes wraiths just a couple of times and goes for harass she's going to oom.

Basically, it's a buff to the champs who already are capable of going double or triple dorans into dcap, because they don't need the %mana regen to have enough to use, while hurting the ones that are mana hungry.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 20 2012 09:29 GMT
#151
Riposte would be so much more awesome if it reflected 100% of the attack damage, in physical. That'd be way cooler from a design perspective, as opposed to dealing flat APdmg.
liftlift > tsm
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
March 20 2012 09:35 GMT
#152
I dont think you are looking at it from the right perspective there. Mana is a resource, if you dont have to manage that (specially earlygame), whats the point of having mana in the first place? Give all champs CD based skills. But since its magic, its gonna be mana. Thats fine , but atleast make it harder to manage. Theres just not that many times where a gank can get trough because the enemy doesnt have mana for an escape. Thats a pity. If you are trading blows, but you are keeping your mana more intact it should tip in your favour at the end. Right now its just nuke whatever you can with blue and roam abit after. Blue makes more of an impact to red in my opinion. With this change it seems more balanced. It helps, but not to the crazy amount where you would just have infinite mana for a few minutes.

@wei2coolman, riposte is fine as it is. The fact that it reflects magicdamage only helps, since they usually spec armor vs your normal attacks / ultimate.
KCCO!
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
March 20 2012 09:36 GMT
#153
A more interesting skill might have been to make Fiora's Riposte block the next autoattack and make her jump to the person who got their attack parried and hit them for some ad damage.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
March 20 2012 09:37 GMT
#154
On March 20 2012 18:36 dignity wrote:
A more interesting skill might have been to make Fiora's Riposte block the next autoattack and make her jump to the person who got their attack parried and hit them for some ad damage.


Lol, I would never play fiora against a protect the kogmaw comp then
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 20 2012 09:49 GMT
#155
So, it was a bug for Viktor? I always assumed it was intended and was disappointed with him. If it makes people play him maybe they'll realize his ult has been overbuffed w/ regards to damage, too. Sometimes when I play him I feel a bit like Xerath: w/o your ult, you feel a great loss in damage. Except, y'know, Viktor is fun, and it's only because Chaos Storm is a huge component of his damage, not because the rest tickles.

I can see the consistency issue for Janna. I'd rather have all supports buffed rather than this kind of "technically a nerf" things thrown at the best ones.

Support Blitz less mana-starved, yay.

I'm not sure what to think about the new item. I mean, sure it gives a lot of AD, but on champs like Mundo I'd probably itemize AS/crit anyway (atma's/zeke on Mundo next time he's free), and the MR feels a bit low (MoM + mercs + scaling MR blues + 30 base MR is only 114 MR, which can go up to 140 with defensive spec and MR scaling depending on the champ; that'd still make me feel a bit naked compared to a negatron).

Irelia... meh. I really think they went overboard. But I need to test/see it for myself before drawing any conclusions. Probably see. Knee-jerk reaction, but her sustain looks so weak from numbers (and she can really easily burn through her mana as is before the patch) I'm kinda disheartened.

So Morgana's permaban status, Irelia's seeing more and more play and got hit hard, Olaf received buffs, popularity and I've started seeing him banned... why do so many of the champs I pick for personal preferences and playstyle get popular and taken away from me?


Also, nice free rotation. Nocturne, Blitzcrank, Orianna, Malphite... gotta try Nocturne again, even tho he seems too much on the offensive side, and not enough on the tanky for my style. And Malphite.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
March 20 2012 09:54 GMT
#156
Saintvicious - Claims he will never tell someone how to build or rune a champ if you ask him
*Saintvicious goes jungle olaf*
Saint: "Hey Hotshot, you go fratma's on Olaf right?"
-_-
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 10:01:39
March 20 2012 09:59 GMT
#157
On March 20 2012 14:41 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 14:17 Craton wrote:
On March 20 2012 13:52 Ryuu314 wrote:
if they nerf shen's ult range he'll be 100% unplayed.

You mean like how TF, Panth, and Noct are 100% unplayed?

Please.


It's not really the same. Shen ult is really reactive, tf panth and noct ult you can go gank a lane with.

If instead of shielding it did something that helped a gank, like ccing enemies next to the target, a range nerf wouldn't hurt that badly.

It's very much the same. Shen ult can be used both offensively to gank and defensively to counter gank, just like all of the other global teleport ults. You SHOULD have to move toward a lane before you can instantly teleport to it. You should NOT be able to afk farm bot lane and then immediately join a fight at dragon or baron (especially when said split push is optimal play with 0 disadvantages). Nor should you be able to cross the entire map to counter gank from top to bottom.

When you play against Shen you can't force objectives or gank unless you have a multiple person advantage going into it to offset Shen coming with a giant shield. This forces you to play passively and defensively, lest you try to go aggressive and get stung by the ult counter. It's especially shitty when Shen is the jungler because you can't even get the consolation prize of tower damage.

The exact reason they nerfed all of the globals ults was because of all these abuse cases. Well, they overbuffed shen and apparently don't want to make him unviable again, so this is the only solution to bringing him in line with everything else.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 20 2012 10:01 GMT
#158
I don't know why Saint switched targets twice there, he just got himself killed while letting both escape. :/ Also, no ult to counter Janna's.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 20 2012 10:36 GMT
#159
fuck, free Ori week means i'll see more brainless idiot playing her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
March 20 2012 10:44 GMT
#160
On March 20 2012 13:16 Eiii wrote:
I wish they would hit the CDR on blue buff instead of the mana regen, just to make CDR a more interesting stat to consider when buying for mids.


Inclined to agree on this. Maybe a smaller regen nerf to 0.75-0.8 and cdr nerf would've been better?
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