EPT[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 8
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On March 20 2012 17:23 sToFu wrote: Could anyone tell me about major streamers/players who play Veigar? I'm level 11 atm and I've been doing really badly after level 8. I've watched a couple scarra videos, but who else? No one I've seen really plays him consistently. Only every now and then one person will play him at a random time but no regulars unfortunately. Another note, Saint is commentating SK vs. AAA. Not sure if it's a current game, I think it's a replay or rebroadcast? http://clgaming.net/live/258-clg-saintvicious | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On March 20 2012 17:26 dooraven wrote: Curse Njacky plays an excellent Veigar, probably the best in NA. Best in the world more like. jiji's Veigar is strong too but I don't think he's played him as much. jiji went on a big Veigar spree right after his buffs and did really good in solo queue. Could probably look up vods on youtube. But yeah, Nyjacky is the best Veigar ever. He keeps stun at level 1 and can still full combo people who have mercs. It's sick. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
The Janna 'nerf' is more of a fix in my eyes. It makes sense that the bonus only holds as long as the shield holds. People have been spoiled with it not working like that before. The blue nerf I applaud. More spoiling of the AP mid has been going on. If you look at champs who use energy like kennen or the rumble heat-system, it seperates good from the kickass if you can manage that resource. Manausers just get blue and spam all day. There is no more saving up mana for that 1 combo to finish the enemy. Mana regeneration is frowned upon in a team. You dont get manaregen anymore 'you will have blue anyway'. Manaregen should be a bigger thing, to seperate the good from the epic AP mids, blue change will help with that. In other news, the girls in my team will have a mudwrestlingcontest in my head before every game who gets to play lulu from now on *yay* | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On March 20 2012 17:39 JackDino wrote: Why no one mentioning loci when talking veigar When's the last time you saw him stream? | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
On March 20 2012 17:26 beefhamburger wrote: No one I've seen really plays him consistently. Only every now and then one person will play him at a random time but no regulars unfortunately. Another note, Saint is commentating SK vs. AAA. Not sure if it's a current game, I think it's a replay or rebroadcast? http://clgaming.net/live/258-clg-saintvicious That was from the recent IEM Hannover. According to him that was the 1st Saintvicious daily(name WIP imo). | ||
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bobbob
United States368 Posts
On March 20 2012 14:09 NSANE.hydra wrote: Does anyone happen to know if Fiora's Riposte blocks GP Q? It does. Amazing mindgames that went on last time I laned one. All I can say is they should buff her other skills and nerf her ultimate. She is basically a one skill hero, but that skill is a bit too strong relative to other heroes' ults. She just snowballs too well by just pressing r and if your carry is in the area, he gets forced back. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On March 20 2012 17:33 ihasaKAROT wrote: I believe jiji plays veigar from time to time. The Janna 'nerf' is more of a fix in my eyes. It makes sense that the bonus only holds as long as the shield holds. People have been spoiled with it not working like that before. The blue nerf I applaud. More spoiling of the AP mid has been going on. If you look at champs who use energy like kennen or the rumble heat-system, it seperates good from the kickass if you can manage that resource. Manausers just get blue and spam all day. There is no more saving up mana for that 1 combo to finish the enemy. Mana regeneration is frowned upon in a team. You dont get manaregen anymore 'you will have blue anyway'. Manaregen should be a bigger thing, to seperate the good from the epic AP mids, blue change will help with that. In other news, the girls in my team will have a mudwrestlingcontest in my head before every game who gets to play lulu from now on *yay* Thing is, mana regen is pretty binary, either you have enough to use for a reasonable amount of time while still being ready for a fight, or you don't. Mana efficient clearers who can make do without blue such as morg, annie, sion etc. can basically sit back, and farm indefinitely regardless of blue status, and having blue just means they can basically use skills on CD to farm without ever ooming due to mana costs. Anivia is on the other end of the spectrum. Early game, even with blue, if she takes wraiths just a couple of times and goes for harass she's going to oom. Basically, it's a buff to the champs who already are capable of going double or triple dorans into dcap, because they don't need the %mana regen to have enough to use, while hurting the ones that are mana hungry. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
@wei2coolman, riposte is fine as it is. The fact that it reflects magicdamage only helps, since they usually spec armor vs your normal attacks / ultimate. | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
On March 20 2012 18:36 dignity wrote: A more interesting skill might have been to make Fiora's Riposte block the next autoattack and make her jump to the person who got their attack parried and hit them for some ad damage. Lol, I would never play fiora against a protect the kogmaw comp then | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I can see the consistency issue for Janna. I'd rather have all supports buffed rather than this kind of "technically a nerf" things thrown at the best ones. Support Blitz less mana-starved, yay. I'm not sure what to think about the new item. I mean, sure it gives a lot of AD, but on champs like Mundo I'd probably itemize AS/crit anyway (atma's/zeke on Mundo next time he's free), and the MR feels a bit low (MoM + mercs + scaling MR blues + 30 base MR is only 114 MR, which can go up to 140 with defensive spec and MR scaling depending on the champ; that'd still make me feel a bit naked compared to a negatron). Irelia... meh. I really think they went overboard. But I need to test/see it for myself before drawing any conclusions. Probably see. Knee-jerk reaction, but her sustain looks so weak from numbers (and she can really easily burn through her mana as is before the patch) I'm kinda disheartened. So Morgana's permaban status, Irelia's seeing more and more play and got hit hard, Olaf received buffs, popularity and I've started seeing him banned... why do so many of the champs I pick for personal preferences and playstyle get popular and taken away from me?  Also, nice free rotation. Nocturne, Blitzcrank, Orianna, Malphite... gotta try Nocturne again, even tho he seems too much on the offensive side, and not enough on the tanky for my style. And Malphite. | ||
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
*Saintvicious goes jungle olaf* Saint: "Hey Hotshot, you go fratma's on Olaf right?" -_- | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On March 20 2012 14:41 UniversalSnip wrote: It's not really the same. Shen ult is really reactive, tf panth and noct ult you can go gank a lane with. If instead of shielding it did something that helped a gank, like ccing enemies next to the target, a range nerf wouldn't hurt that badly. It's very much the same. Shen ult can be used both offensively to gank and defensively to counter gank, just like all of the other global teleport ults. You SHOULD have to move toward a lane before you can instantly teleport to it. You should NOT be able to afk farm bot lane and then immediately join a fight at dragon or baron (especially when said split push is optimal play with 0 disadvantages). Nor should you be able to cross the entire map to counter gank from top to bottom. When you play against Shen you can't force objectives or gank unless you have a multiple person advantage going into it to offset Shen coming with a giant shield. This forces you to play passively and defensively, lest you try to go aggressive and get stung by the ult counter. It's especially shitty when Shen is the jungler because you can't even get the consolation prize of tower damage. The exact reason they nerfed all of the globals ults was because of all these abuse cases. Well, they overbuffed shen and apparently don't want to make him unviable again, so this is the only solution to bringing him in line with everything else. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
On March 20 2012 13:16 Eiii wrote: I wish they would hit the CDR on blue buff instead of the mana regen, just to make CDR a more interesting stat to consider when buying for mids. Inclined to agree on this. Maybe a smaller regen nerf to 0.75-0.8 and cdr nerf would've been better? | ||
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