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rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 05:22:24
March 20 2012 05:21 GMT
#101
Riot have no idea what to do with supports for some reason. When your only interesting supports are janna/alistar don't nerf them til you make some more.

Also if the new hero is released with the numbers the wiki has then she will be xin zhao level broken.
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
March 20 2012 05:24 GMT
#102
On March 20 2012 14:17 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 13:52 Ryuu314 wrote:
if they nerf shen's ult range he'll be 100% unplayed.

You mean like how TF, Panth, and Noct are 100% unplayed?

Please.


TF became relatively unplayed, definitely no where near his former popularity. Just because they all have global ults doesn't mean they all react the same way. Shen will receive less play than he has now though if that happened, that's for sure.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 20 2012 05:25 GMT
#103
On March 20 2012 14:20 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
they basically stated that they put all the ezreal tweaks they were thinking of on hold for now.


I think it's very likely that they release his tweaks with his new skin. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up getting one of those "here's some buffs and some nerfs" kind of updates that leads to him becoming weaker. Although Riot could make me happy and just straight buff him.
SoraLimit
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada747 Posts
March 20 2012 05:25 GMT
#104
I swear that Phreak put the jungler portion of Lulu Champ Spotlight for the lulz now.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 20 2012 05:26 GMT
#105
On March 20 2012 14:25 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 14:20 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
they basically stated that they put all the ezreal tweaks they were thinking of on hold for now.


I think it's very likely that they release his tweaks with his new skin. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up getting one of those "here's some buffs and some nerfs" kind of updates that leads to him becoming weaker. Although Riot could make me happy and just straight buff him.

tbh he's perfectly fine as is. he was played plenty in IEM.
liftlift > tsm
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 05:29:05
March 20 2012 05:28 GMT
#106
On March 20 2012 14:26 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 14:25 overt wrote:
On March 20 2012 14:20 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
they basically stated that they put all the ezreal tweaks they were thinking of on hold for now.


I think it's very likely that they release his tweaks with his new skin. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up getting one of those "here's some buffs and some nerfs" kind of updates that leads to him becoming weaker. Although Riot could make me happy and just straight buff him.

tbh he's perfectly fine as is. he was played plenty in IEM.


I agree and think he's fine too. But someone mentioned they were holding off on Ez tweaks and I'm assuming that he isn't just talking out of his ass. If Riot at some point said they were going to tweak stuff on him I think it'll be really minor and it'll likely come out the same patch as his upcoming legendary skin.

Riot has a history of buffing or nerfing a champion just before a skin releases.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 20 2012 05:30 GMT
#107
The biggest nerf to ez was the removal of surfing ez animation.

surfing ez >> running ez.
liftlift > tsm
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
March 20 2012 05:33 GMT
#108
On March 20 2012 14:08 wei2coolman wrote:
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On March 20 2012 14:05 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Maw+Wits+atma seem like a solid 3 defence+offence items for those carry bruisers like olaf. Esp since olaf gets free resists from ult so you don't need to go overboard on resists. Add some health and you are set.

Also makes way for a good midgame build that transitions directly into a good lategame build as well.

Like midgame - wriggles, wits, phage, chainvest, hexdrinker

Lategame - wriggles(may sell for BT), wits, Mallet/warmog, atma, Maw

MaW is gunna be a huge metashift back into bruiser centric comps. I'm calling it now.

The main weaknesses of bruisers were their weak scaling into late game, but with an item like MaW that has strong midgame(hex drinker), and strong lategame stats, I don't see how this item won't get nerfed.

This is the new bruiser meta.

wriggles - > phage ->hex drinker ->glacial shroud or atma's or randuins-> frozmallet->maw's-


probably yeah. the thing is riot is still gonna be adding/changing more items so we'll have to wait and see how they interact with the existing ones.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
March 20 2012 05:33 GMT
#109
On March 20 2012 14:21 rob.au wrote:
Riot have no idea what to do with supports for some reason. When your only interesting supports are janna/alistar don't nerf them til you make some more.

Also if the new hero is released with the numbers the wiki has then she will be xin zhao level broken.


She seems reasonable too me. If she wants CC, she can only level 1 of her nukes, and if she nukes with her E, then she can't shield. Overall, she seems versatile and interesting, but not over powered. None of her ratios are out of line or anything obvious.

Her passive seems quite strong, but other then that none of her numbers stand out to me. I am guessing that her passive doesn't shoot through creeps balances out that it deals (3+2*lvl)*3 damage.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 20 2012 05:39 GMT
#110
It's sort of sad, AP lulu looks weak ,but semi viable.
only 300base dmg + .7 ap ratio on 7 sec cooldown, that's pretty weak sauce, especially if you want to put her mid.
Her saving grace in mid will be her strong autoattack damage, along with polymorph.
liftlift > tsm
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 05:42:41
March 20 2012 05:41 GMT
#111
On March 20 2012 14:17 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 13:52 Ryuu314 wrote:
if they nerf shen's ult range he'll be 100% unplayed.

You mean like how TF, Panth, and Noct are 100% unplayed?

Please.


It's not really the same. Shen ult is really reactive, tf panth and noct ult you can go gank a lane with.

If instead of shielding it did something that helped a gank, like ccing enemies next to the target, a range nerf wouldn't hurt that badly.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
March 20 2012 05:45 GMT
#112
On March 20 2012 14:41 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 14:17 Craton wrote:
On March 20 2012 13:52 Ryuu314 wrote:
if they nerf shen's ult range he'll be 100% unplayed.

You mean like how TF, Panth, and Noct are 100% unplayed?

Please.


It's not really the same. Shen ult is really reactive, tf panth and noct ult you can go gank a lane with.

If instead of shielding it did something that helped a gank, like ccing enemies next to the target, a range nerf wouldn't hurt that badly.


Shen can taunt someone near to the teammate as soon as he ports . . .

Unless you mean cc as soon as shen's ult which will never happen because it has no counterplay.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
March 20 2012 05:49 GMT
#113
I wish Shaco was nerfed a bit more, such a silly character. Or then it's just that I can't counter it ever. What do you do against Shaco?
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 06:05:15
March 20 2012 05:55 GMT
#114
Lulu mid actually beat me fairly decisively as Swain, although I was playing badly. Her QE combo does quite a bit of damage (160+1.3 damage at level 2 is pretty damn good) and is essentially instant, and her auto-attack harass is nice too. Not to mention Polymorph, which is pretty low cost mana-wise for such a strong ability (on her or you). Not sure how well she'd do outside of laning, but she could probably function well as a Zilean-like support AP.
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
March 20 2012 06:02 GMT
#115
On March 20 2012 14:49 PeZuY wrote:
I wish Shaco was nerfed a bit more, such a silly character. Or then it's just that I can't counter it ever. What do you do against Shaco?


A couple things you can do:
Figure out if he's starting red or blue.
Try and get your team to invade his jungle. Even if you just pop his boxes and get out, you'll slow him down a lot.
Watch out for level 2 ganks, especially if you're close to the buff camp he started at.
Ward aggressively in his jungle. If you're jungling yourself, and you feel secure doing so, go counterjungle him. Time his buffs and take them yourself.

Basically, even if Shaco gets 2-3 kills by the time laning is over, he's still dead weight in teamfights if your team doesn't totally hurp things around.
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
March 20 2012 06:05 GMT
#116
On March 20 2012 14:55 ManyCookies wrote:
Lulu mid actually beat me fairly decisively as Swain, although I was playing badly. Her QE combo does quite a bit of damage (160+1.3 damage at level 2 is pretty damn good) and is essentially instant, and her auto-attack harass is pretty good. Not to mention Polymorph, which is pretty low mana-wise for such a strong ability (on her or y). Not suure how well she'd do outside of laning, but she could probably function well as a Zilean-like support AP.


Zilean is likely going to be more powerful outside of laning. Only needs to rank 1 ability to get 2 nukes with .9 scaling, has possibly the most powerful ultimate in the game, and one of the strongest speed buffs/slows in the game. Lulu just doesn't have the ratios to be viable as a mid imo.

EG is scrimming 4not + Dan right now.
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
March 20 2012 06:06 GMT
#117
On March 20 2012 13:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 13:28 stink123 wrote:
Lulu spotlight here:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1934107

"Though Lulu is a support, I play her as a jungler."
Well done, Phreak.


I wish I could buy that man a drink.
triplej
Profile Joined May 2011
United States47 Posts
March 20 2012 06:10 GMT
#118
Are mana regen seals needed on mids now? I was about to replace my scaling MR seals with scaling AP :c
Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
March 20 2012 06:13 GMT
#119
I guess it depends on whether you plan on starting dorans/rushing catalyst or not.
Aspiring British Caster / Masters Protoss
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
March 20 2012 06:13 GMT
#120
On March 20 2012 15:10 triplej wrote:
Are mana regen seals needed on mids now? I was about to replace my scaling MR seals with scaling AP :c


The flat mana component of Blue is where most of the regen comes from early game. The change in mana regen isn't going to be big enough to make flat mp5 seals necessary. That said, I like them on mana hungry mid champions. I am only 1800, and mid is my worst lane, so take it with a grain of salt.
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