EPT[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 73
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On March 25 2012 13:06 wussleeQ wrote: shaco honestly is a complete hit or miss though in most games. either you can play him and do really well... or just SUCK. That's because he's completely defined by his early game. If by 10 minutes he doesn't have at kill, he's infinitely far behind most other junglers. Add to that decent players will hear the giggle and/or see the smoke (which you can see inside brush/fog) when he decieves in, it makes it extremely hard to be worth it. That said, at lower ELOs, people don't watch for shaco ganks and are willing to overextend like mad when shaco is about. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On March 25 2012 13:35 deth2munkies wrote: That's because he's completely defined by his early game. If by 10 minutes he doesn't have at kill, he's infinitely far behind most other junglers. Add to that decent players will hear the giggle and/or see the smoke (which you can see inside brush/fog) when he decieves in, it makes it extremely hard to be worth it. That said, at lower ELOs, people don't watch for shaco ganks and are willing to overextend like mad when shaco is about. Pretty much a shaco with no kills is worth next to nothing | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
On March 25 2012 13:40 wei2coolman wrote: Just played 4 games of dota 2, holy shit every hero i played, their auto attacks were harder to time than pre-patch soraka bananas. And that's 90% of the game. Kind of sucks to have all abilities be on such high cooldowns with high costs. DOTA is definitely unforgiving. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On March 25 2012 14:04 arb wrote: Pretty much a shaco with no kills is worth next to nothing I always want to ban shaco for this reason, not afraid that the enemy team will pick him but my own team. A shaco with no early game advantage is worthless. Its just too much a gamble. | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
Picks panth jungle not realizing theres another jungle on the team, forgets to change masteries, flashes on fountain while typing about how he has the wrong masteries, then realizes he has double jungle and opens ward 5 health pot 3 mana pot, decides to lanesmite top but dies in their jungle trying to smite their wraith, unable to escape cuz he has no flash real terror | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On March 25 2012 13:02 OreoBoi wrote: Considering that a team with shaco, shen and kennen can lose at 1500 elo, I'm now sure that bans mean nothing at low ELO. Wrong, "strong picks", "proper runes" and "proper masteries" don't instawin you games, they just increase chances of winning. | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
So better just to ban him, and go on with the game.  (* We won that 4v5 btw, Kass had like 35 cs when i had 150 as sivir.  ) | ||
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Peru1308 Posts
Has the hp per level increase on jax made him scale a bit too well? It was only my 2nd time playing kennen solo top, but I was laning vs jax and I had him at his tower until lvl 7 at 20% hp. Then we both come back with boots/pots and a hextech revolver and at that point he became immovable and took half my hp with with a leap strike into stun cuz his base move speed is faster -_- eventually he just started tower diving me and went 5-1 in my lane. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On March 25 2012 20:05 Gaslo wrote: The reason why i ban Kassadin is because of the QQ. Same as Morg. I had a game where i left Kassadin open, and did not take him, and one of our guys went afk at fountain, only saying something like /all report this fucker, not banning kass, i am AFK!*. So better just to ban him, and go on with the game. (* We won that 4v5 btw, Kass had like 35 cs when i had 150 as sivir. )Why does everyone think Kassadin is broken anyway? It really doesn't make sense to me. He wins some lanes really hard... but a lot of Champs win some lanes really hard. Kass loses just as many lanes really hard as he wins really hard as well. Banning Kassadin like banning Akali, no reason to because if you pick the right teamcomp they really aren't that scary at all. I dunno, maybe people really hate his ulti? | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On March 25 2012 20:28 iCanada wrote: Why does everyone think Kassadin is broken anyway? It really doesn't make sense to me. He wins some lanes really hard... but a lot of Champs win some lanes really hard. Kass loses just as many lanes really hard as he wins really hard as well. Banning Kassadin like banning Akali, no reason to because if you pick the right teamcomp they really aren't that scary at all. I dunno, maybe people really hate his ulti? I don't think anyone considers Kass broken nowadays (i consider him strong lategamer with quite weak earlygame), he is just one of these bans like Shaco - the main reason why you ban him should be because in solo queue trusting your teammates is a bad idea. They both can be unkillable if played right and can be really heavy if not played correctly. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On March 25 2012 20:32 Kaniol wrote: I don't think anyone considers Kass broken nowadays (i consider him strong lategamer with quite weak earlygame), he is just one of these bans like Shaco - the main reason why you ban him should be because in solo queue trusting your teammates is a bad idea. They both can be unkillable if played right and can be really heavy if not played correctly. Actually Kass isn't that strong lategame unless your team is all bruisers. Especially if Kass is the only one getting fed on the enemy team, it's pretty easy to win lategame. As soon as your ranged AD doesn't instantly die from his combo, Kass is pretty much shut down. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
Kass is terror if you have a bad mid, feed him and a team of retards chasing him all day and get nothing then got triple killed while the enemy team arrives. | ||
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koreasilver
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On March 25 2012 20:28 iCanada wrote: Why does everyone think Kassadin is broken anyway? It really doesn't make sense to me. He wins some lanes really hard... but a lot of Champs win some lanes really hard. Kass loses just as many lanes really hard as he wins really hard as well. Banning Kassadin like banning Akali, no reason to because if you pick the right teamcomp they really aren't that scary at all. I dunno, maybe people really hate his ulti? He doesn't even win that many lanes hard. His pre 6 is really weak, after that he can shit on some of the ap champs. His strength is in his roaming (why he is banned in soloqueue), not his lane matchups. He is probably the easiest to shut down champ, just put like any bruiser against him and in the ideal case steal all his blues. For hilarity, put Pantheon against him. Kassadin will get dominated so hilariously hard in lane and when he tries to roam and gank, Pantheon just follows him with a mandrop. Too bad my low elo teams just didn't listen when I tell them to switch mid and top and put yorick against kassadin. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Ahri's far better at what Kass does anyway | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On March 25 2012 20:28 iCanada wrote: Why does everyone think Kassadin is broken anyway? It really doesn't make sense to me. He wins some lanes really hard... but a lot of Champs win some lanes really hard. Kass loses just as many lanes really hard as he wins really hard as well. Banning Kassadin like banning Akali, no reason to because if you pick the right teamcomp they really aren't that scary at all. I dunno, maybe people really hate his ulti? Kass isn't overpowered but very abusive. As you say, you need the right team comp and more importantly people need to take into account that if Kass goes missing, he can come from pretty much anywhere because he more or less ignores walls due to his ulti. You can't trust people to do that at lower elo's. So the easy solution is to ban him and spare yourself the headache of typing and pinging the entire game while praying that your team reacts to your warnings. Also countering him in lane only works when you can pin him down otherwise he will just roam and if your team isn't careful, he will pick up kills anyways. Regarding counters my personal favourite is Sivir. He can't do anything against her because it is so easy to spell shield his Q. At six he will be so far behind that he can't even jump you anymore and no matter at which point in the laning phase you will always block at least part of his combo. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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