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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On March 20 2012 11:38 greggy wrote: was this discussed? I must've missed it, because it's pretty big. No, it was never discussed. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23436 Posts
On March 25 2012 21:26 koreasilver wrote: People at low ELO ban Kass because most of them are stupid and don't know how to counter him properly. It's actually hilarious how people are so against the idea of just putting an AD carry like Caitlyn against Kass when she shits all over him. It's actually mindboggling how difficult it is to convince people that it works. Then some people think that the positions denote exactly how you build... this one game where Caitlyn and I (Vlad) convinced our teammates that it would be best for us to send Caitlyn mid against Kass and send the Malzahar and I top and bot the support player said that I should build IE... I was so dumbfounded that I just didn't reply. It does'nt really work. I've seen CLG go duo mid and kassadni still got fed. I've seen people try all sorts of AD counters to kass but he just gets blue and they end up him getting fed. Kassadin is weak early levels against everyone, not just ads. Kass was played a lot in tournaments and he was never countered by ad mid. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On March 25 2012 22:06 Keniji wrote: Kass is one of those champs that get hilarious fed when they are on the enemy team and have like 20cs at 20min when they are on your team. That said I don't think he has been a top priority ban/pick in a while. Reminds me of most characters too in all honesty. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On March 25 2012 22:17 Slayer91 wrote: It does'nt really work. I've seen CLG go duo mid and kassadni still got fed. I've seen people try all sorts of AD counters to kass but he just gets blue and they end up him getting fed. Kassadin is weak early levels against everyone, not just ads. Kass was played a lot in tournaments and he was never countered by ad mid. Almost every single time I've seen Caitlyn lane against Kassadin the Kassadin got zoned hard though, like only being able to CS with his Q and losing tons of gold. I don't think all AD carries are good against Kass though, but Caitlyn seems to be a really strong pick against Kass. | ||
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Gondlem
Australia642 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23436 Posts
On March 25 2012 23:40 koreasilver wrote: Almost every single time I've seen Caitlyn lane against Kassadin the Kassadin got zoned hard though, like only being able to CS with his Q and losing tons of gold. I don't think all AD carries are good against Kass though, but Caitlyn seems to be a really strong pick against Kass. And you get silenced you go in to counter harass and jungler kills you and kassadin free farms and kills other lanes? | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
On March 25 2012 23:51 Slayer91 wrote: And you get silenced you go in to counter harass and jungler kills you and kassadin free farms and kills other lanes? I have played Sivir vs Kassadin lane like 5-6 times now, and all of those have ended me being up like 100+ cs and either killing him at will, or zoning him HC forcing him out of lane. Of course i am very low elo (1300-1500 is where i have played those) and prolly those kassadins don't know how to handle the situation, but still, i don't know what kassadin can do. Sivir can push so fast, spellshield one of his offensive spells, and QW is so much damage if kass jumps on you, that usually they only do it once. Especially in my games, where after my first B i usually have a big CS advantage, and those dorans buffer so much. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23436 Posts
On March 25 2012 23:40 koreasilver wrote: Almost every single time I've seen Caitlyn lane against Kassadin the Kassadin got zoned hard though, like only being able to CS with his Q and losing tons of gold. I don't think all AD carries are good against Kass though, but Caitlyn seems to be a really strong pick against Kass. Almost every single time I've seen a physical lane against kassadin something went wrong kass gets a fast blue and he domiantes the game. Experiences differ as will opinions. Being able to win a lane 1v1 and being able to win a lane in a real game are different scenarios. You can be 50 cs up in a 1v1 but in a real game you get ganked and kassadin can gank lanes both of which are in favour of kassadin. | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
So my question is: how are junglers tiered and which should I buy? I've got ~7k ip saved up. I've got a standard arp/as rune page, but do I need any specific runes (e.g. ms etc.) I also prefer the 'clear the jungle and gank at 4' strategy, but wouldn't mind trying my hand at a lvl2 gank. I've seen TOO's jungle guide and I don't really have problems clearing. TL;DR: what junglers do i buy with 7k ip if i prefer ricing instead of ganking. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On March 26 2012 01:13 greggy wrote: So I've been playing premade 5s with a few friends and as I'm getting pretty close to 30, we want to do ranked 5s. I've been jungling for a while now so I guess this is the role I'll take. I sort of know the basics of jungling and such, but my hero pool is pretty limited. I've been playing noc as he's free atm and I kinda like him, but from what I understand he isn't a top tier jungler (and is also 6300). Also played amumu but I don't really like him even though he has a lot of utility. So my question is: how are junglers tiered and which should I buy? I've got ~7k ip saved up. I've got a standard arp/as rune page, but do I need any specific runes (e.g. ms etc.) I also prefer the 'clear the jungle and gank at 4' strategy, but wouldn't mind trying my hand at a lvl2 gank. I've seen TOO's jungle guide and I don't really have problems clearing. Two downs made some sort of a guide with a table comparing junglers, suggest checking that out as a start. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On March 26 2012 01:20 Caphe wrote: Watching Doublelift play AD carry in low elo is quite enjoy able. Always kill never die, his mechanic is too good for people below 2k. Just 3man gank him when his support leaves lane. | ||
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jadoth
694 Posts
On March 26 2012 01:13 greggy wrote: So I've been playing premade 5s with a few friends and as I'm getting pretty close to 30, we want to do ranked 5s. I've been jungling for a while now so I guess this is the role I'll take. I sort of know the basics of jungling and such, but my hero pool is pretty limited. I've been playing noc as he's free atm and I kinda like him, but from what I understand he isn't a top tier jungler (and is also 6300). Also played amumu but I don't really like him even though he has a lot of utility. So my question is: how are junglers tiered and which should I buy? I've got ~7k ip saved up. I've got a standard arp/as rune page, but do I need any specific runes (e.g. ms etc.) I also prefer the 'clear the jungle and gank at 4' strategy, but wouldn't mind trying my hand at a lvl2 gank. I've seen TOO's jungle guide and I don't really have problems clearing. TL;DR: what junglers do i buy with 7k ip if i prefer ricing instead of ganking. i would say get cho mundo ww at 1350 and udry at 3150. | ||
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shrinkmaster
Germany947 Posts
On March 26 2012 01:13 greggy wrote: TL;DR: what junglers do i buy with 7k ip if i prefer ricing instead of ganking. get ww and udyr and save for shyvanna | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
Shyvana always banned never not banned. Unless you want to force a ban :S Udyr, WW, Mundo are the ones i'd recommend cause cheap and stronk. | ||
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Bambipwnsu
Canada698 Posts
Noc is also on sale right now. | ||
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Vathus
Canada404 Posts
On March 26 2012 01:13 greggy wrote: So I've been playing premade 5s with a few friends and as I'm getting pretty close to 30, we want to do ranked 5s. I've been jungling for a while now so I guess this is the role I'll take. I sort of know the basics of jungling and such, but my hero pool is pretty limited. I've been playing noc as he's free atm and I kinda like him, but from what I understand he isn't a top tier jungler (and is also 6300). Also played amumu but I don't really like him even though he has a lot of utility. So my question is: how are junglers tiered and which should I buy? I've got ~7k ip saved up. I've got a standard arp/as rune page, but do I need any specific runes (e.g. ms etc.) I also prefer the 'clear the jungle and gank at 4' strategy, but wouldn't mind trying my hand at a lvl2 gank. I've seen TOO's jungle guide and I don't really have problems clearing. TL;DR: what junglers do i buy with 7k ip if i prefer ricing instead of ganking. I would say Udyr, Shyvana, Lee Sin, Maokai, and Nocturne are the top tier jungle picks right now. But I would also recommend trying Jarvan, Rammus, Mundo, and maybe skarner or ww. With the 7k ip I would at least buy Udyr and then maybe Mundo or you could save for jarvan or one of the 6300 ip junglers. | ||
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