EPTEdit @underneath: no, she becomes actively untargetable, but whatever is damaging her (DoTs) or damages where she stands without having to target her still damages her. I have no idea if it evades Karthus' ult tho, I guess it does if the ult targets each individual champ?
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Edit @underneath: no, she becomes actively untargetable, but whatever is damaging her (DoTs) or damages where she stands without having to target her still damages her. I have no idea if it evades Karthus' ult tho, I guess it does if the ult targets each individual champ? | ||
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LaNague
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wei2coolman
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:18 Alaric wrote: Doesn't Swain lack range against Vlad's Q? Or do you mean he's supposed to get an advantage/zone Vlad by abusing the early levels when Vlad can't get every cs with Q? Vlad's q has equal or less range than all of Swain's abilities. | ||
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Glaceau
Wales333 Posts
Another thing is that as you get higher elo, champs like leblanc and champs where you need to be super aggressive ( like this swain vs vlad matchup) junglers will know this and camp your lane. edit - speaking of fiona, she shits all over vlad. one of my favorite go to counters atm. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:18 wei2coolman wrote: How does swains kit counter vlad? swain can heal, too, swains abilities dont care for his pool, which means he can outtrade vlad, swain also has hard CC | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:18 wei2coolman wrote: How does swains kit counter vlad? Vlad cannot win a direct confrontation with Swain, Swain forces Vlad to blows tons of HP pooling his snare, Vlad can't trade Q harass with Swain because Swain's q damages vlad overtime so, if they trade Qs, Vlad will actually lose health from casting Q and swain's damage will tick off after the healing effect of Q happens, which is also how bird laser works (damage overtime negating burst healing). Swain can out sustain Vlad post 6. Basically, sustained over time damage undermines burst healing and Swain is 100% sustained overtime damage. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:13 NoobieOne wrote: Although one gank can throw the lane either way. Most vlads push the lane to your tower pretty fast and rumble actually can chase the pool at early levels (I save my E for after he goes out of pool) I've gotten multiple kills with early ganks while I'm rumble vs vlad and if you can get a small advantage (and a revolver) you should be able to start outtrading whenever vlad comes in to cs. He can't spellvamp back up if you engage on him every time he tries to CS. pretty sure rumble tends to push harder than vlad in the early levels, tho granted i havn't played much as or against rumble, but intuitively (given the nature of flamethrower) it seems right to me. re: ezreal, in my experience, he does much better vs assassins than most other ranged AD, just by virtue of being a slippery bastard. He and anivia are also the only ranged champions in the game with a built in attack speed reduction debuff (40% for 5 seconds max level ez w), which can be a big deal vs champs that rely heavily on autoattacks. Honestly, I actually think that value alone is massively underrated by the community at large, although admittedly it has a somewhat prohibitive mana cost. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:18 wei2coolman wrote: How does swains kit counter vlad? Swain's Q and E deal damage to Vlad through the pool, he has health himself himself and wins trades early on thanks to E's damage amplication. Vlad can't trade with him unless Swain has spells on cd, and that won't happen much until his Q has a lower cooldown. He can't really outsustain Swain's mana either, as early on he doesn't have spellvamp, and Swain's passive ease mana management a lot, especially pre-6. On April 14 2012 01:22 TwoToneTerran wrote: Vlad can't trade Q harass with Swain because Swain's q damages vlad overtime so, if they trade Qs, Vlad will actually lose health from casting Q and swain's damage will tick off after the healing effect of Q happens Can't Vlad just break the tether by moving out of range tho? Swain's problem against ranged champs... | ||
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barbsq
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Glaceau
Wales333 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:28 barbsq wrote: imo swain's e is a hell of a lot scarier than his q Funny thing, in all this chatter I mixed up Swain's e and q. They both do the same crap that messes with Vlad, though, and in tandem they really fuck him up. | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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RoyGBiv_13
United States1275 Posts
On April 14 2012 00:55 Mogwai wrote: I think Vlad wins it. Ramble takes too long to ramp up and sucks vs. sustained long range damage. Rumble wins as vlad's low damage but constant nukes are mitigated severely by the shield. Flamethrower does significant damage even with the sustain, and vlads escape ability just causes him to take even more damage. that being said, Rumble has to be engaged on vlad the entire time to be effective against him, and vlad can kite and farm in the mean time. Rumble is also out of position at this point and easily gankable. I believe I have seen a pro vlad vs ramble in mid and both lost the lane as they both were low all the time and had to retreat to avoid jangle ganks | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:14 cLutZ wrote: Suggestions? I'd look at W, and Passive, but that is just me. I think his passive is fine actually. I generally like the idea of allowing his W's attack speed buff to affect himself. The notable problem there is it's fairly trivial to reach 100% uptime on W if you have a little CDR and can land Qs. Some small numbers tweaks might be all that's required though, rather than any mechanical changes. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:22 barbsq wrote: pretty sure rumble tends to push harder than vlad in the early levels, tho granted i havn't played much as or against rumble, but intuitively (given the nature of flamethrower) it seems right to me. re: ezreal, in my experience, he does much better vs assassins than most other ranged AD, just by virtue of being a slippery bastard. He and anivia are also the only ranged champions in the game with a built in attack speed reduction debuff (40% for 5 seconds max level ez w), which can be a big deal vs champs that rely heavily on autoattacks. Honestly, I actually think that value alone is massively underrated by the community at large, although admittedly it has a somewhat prohibitive mana cost. Perhaps it is underrated, but all I ever see it used as is on teammates to stack Rising Spell Force (and I suppose to get them a buff). Whenever Ez is picked as AD carry I get really excited (because he is super fun to watch, kinda like nidalee) and then let down as he gets outtraded early game (even if he doesn't die) and outscaled late game. The only time I saw him look really good in a pro game was as solotop against a melle champ (Shen I think). | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I just played a game with one of those douchy "let me play X or I'll feed!" kids, except he was last pick and apparently could only top... however he didn't actually say this. So I picked Renekton fourth, and when it passed to him he just insta locked Olaf. Told us he was going top or he would just feed their AD like 10 kills. Alright, whatever... I went bottom with Renekton. I knew Renekton was strong early game, but against squishy AD champs his damage is almost ridiculous. Level 1 I FlashIgnite->Auto->W->Auto'd and pretty well 1 shot Sivir along with my Grave's Q and likely an Auto attack or two. From there on out, every single time Sivir or Soraka got within range of my E, they were just flat out dead. Finished the game 16-3-7. New meta found... | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On April 14 2012 01:28 Glaceau wrote: also the fiddle beating vlad thing is an old myth now that isnt true anymore. Between the fiddle nerfs and the vlad changes, vlad actually beats him now from my experience, and badly too. you can 100-0 him as soon as you hit level 6 and its impossible to get ulted by him at mid lane. guess it might work top though no, there's no way fiddle has 2 interrupts to vlad's combo, and even if vlad manages to get ult + ignite before getting feared/silenced, fiddle can use this downtime to wait out the ignite before draining or just walk away. also if fiddle drains as you approach for your combo, you're forced to either let him continue to drain you in anticipation that you'll get the kill anyway, or back off to stop the drain. if you say "no turning back" and do it, but DON'T kill him, he can ult you as you run away. if you do back off, you're down an ult and a summoner and he only had to use 1 spammable spell to prevent the kill | ||
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