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Remember guys, this is the general discussion thread. Keep whine/QQ posts in the appropriate QQ memorial thread! Thanks!
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 13 2012 09:19 GMT
#5661
chauster stomping on koreans at 2k elo
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 13 2012 09:20 GMT
#5662
On April 13 2012 18:11 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 18:07 Eiii wrote:
Honestly, her ultimate always feels underwhelming to me, especially when put next to grave's :/


Her ulti actually does less damage than just auto attacking late game.

It kind of bad.


Yeah but ult can hit 5 people easily which does way more damage, and far outranges her auto, its not terrible, its just that a big channeled ult doesnt really work very well with her lack of escapability
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
April 13 2012 09:21 GMT
#5663
You guys dont get it, its the laugh during her ulti that does all the damage
KCCO!
Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
April 13 2012 09:24 GMT
#5664
On April 13 2012 18:11 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 18:07 Eiii wrote:
Honestly, her ultimate always feels underwhelming to me, especially when put next to grave's :/


Her ulti actually does less damage than just auto attacking late game.

It kind of bad.


Yeah once mf has a couple items her ult is better for just clearing creep waves than for teamfights. Obvious argument could be if all 5 are somehow perfectly grouped and somehow aoe stunned or something then maybe it could be worth it, but 99% of the time using mf ult in a late game team fight is gonna be a bad idea.

Also I think cait late game is really strong. Especially in a poke comp as Craton said, but even in general its really nice to be able to protect yourself. Maybe this is just solo queue talking, but I always feel pretty confident with late game cait that i'll be able to survive.
FruitMarket
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
April 13 2012 09:33 GMT
#5665
rofl chauster trashing hotshot cuz hes losing to random 1700 guy
GANDHISAUCE
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
April 13 2012 09:45 GMT
#5666
What happened to that annoucement that hotshot was switching to support and chauster was going to top lane?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 13 2012 09:46 GMT
#5667
On April 13 2012 18:33 De4ngus wrote:
rofl chauster trashing hotshot cuz hes losing to random 1700 guy

Chauster stomping n00bs.

Hotshot goes 0/3 in lane.
As Renekton.
wat
A backwards poet writes inverse.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
April 13 2012 09:50 GMT
#5668
On April 13 2012 18:45 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
What happened to that annoucement that hotshot was switching to support and chauster was going to top lane?

ya what happened to that. chauster solo so beast.
GANDHISAUCE
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
April 13 2012 09:52 GMT
#5669
As soon as hotshot learns to support. We know hotshot loses to 1.7k elo koreans already.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
SpaceToaster
Profile Joined October 2010
United States289 Posts
April 13 2012 09:53 GMT
#5670
Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but I've been trying to get a stream set up. So far everything is working well except in game my FPS seems to drop pretty low. My question is does xsplit limit your FPS to the stream settings? I have my stream set up to 25FPS (the max thats free now that 1.0 is out). My in game FPS drops from 60+ to around 40, though my CPU and RAM sit down at 20-40%.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 13 2012 10:03 GMT
#5671
On April 13 2012 18:53 SpaceToaster wrote:
Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but I've been trying to get a stream set up. So far everything is working well except in game my FPS seems to drop pretty low. My question is does xsplit limit your FPS to the stream settings? I have my stream set up to 25FPS (the max thats free now that 1.0 is out). My in game FPS drops from 60+ to around 40, though my CPU and RAM sit down at 20-40%.

Xsplit doesnt limit ingame fps, that's your cpu not being able to handle the game at full fps+encoding for streaming.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 13 2012 10:06 GMT
#5672
On April 13 2012 18:53 SpaceToaster wrote:
Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but I've been trying to get a stream set up. So far everything is working well except in game my FPS seems to drop pretty low. My question is does xsplit limit your FPS to the stream settings? I have my stream set up to 25FPS (the max thats free now that 1.0 is out). My in game FPS drops from 60+ to around 40, though my CPU and RAM sit down at 20-40%.


I would try some of these guides if you want advice on streaming

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=stream&t=t&f=46&u=&gb=date&d=
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Hakanfrog
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden690 Posts
April 13 2012 10:09 GMT
#5673
How is Ashe end game compared to other AD carrys?

Her ulti is good for engaging and she´s good at chasing, but her damage doesn´t seem that amazing to me.
SpaceToaster
Profile Joined October 2010
United States289 Posts
April 13 2012 10:11 GMT
#5674
On April 13 2012 19:03 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 18:53 SpaceToaster wrote:
Not sure if this is the best place to post this, but I've been trying to get a stream set up. So far everything is working well except in game my FPS seems to drop pretty low. My question is does xsplit limit your FPS to the stream settings? I have my stream set up to 25FPS (the max thats free now that 1.0 is out). My in game FPS drops from 60+ to around 40, though my CPU and RAM sit down at 20-40%.

Xsplit doesnt limit ingame fps, that's your cpu not being able to handle the game at full fps+encoding for streaming.


Doesn't seem to be a CPU issue, it sits at a cool 30% or so, maybe its my GPU since it is the weak link in this computer (I'm running a GTX460). Thanks for the answer.
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
April 13 2012 10:15 GMT
#5675
On April 13 2012 19:09 Hakanfrog wrote:
How is Ashe end game compared to other AD carrys?

Her ulti is good for engaging and she´s good at chasing, but her damage doesn´t seem that amazing to me.


She's a utility carry, brings a lot to the table but has just about the lowest damage of all ads.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-13 10:17:20
April 13 2012 10:16 GMT
#5676
Ashes damage in practical circumstances is actually really high with just IE or IE PD because of good range, good animation, volley, and her slow. There's a reason vayne and kog aren't played every game.
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-13 10:19:16
April 13 2012 10:19 GMT
#5677
On April 13 2012 19:09 Hakanfrog wrote:
How is Ashe end game compared to other AD carrys?

Her ulti is good for engaging and she´s good at chasing, but her damage doesn´t seem that amazing to me.


Late game Damage:

Vayne > Kog/Tristana > Corki/ Graves > Cait > MF > Ashe

In terms of pure DPS output late game. Just my experience though.
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
April 13 2012 10:21 GMT
#5678
On April 13 2012 19:16 Slayer91 wrote:
Ashes damage in practical circumstances is actually really high with just IE or IE PD because of good range, good animation, volley, and her slow. There's a reason vayne and kog aren't played every game.


Endgame damage, not midgame ^^
Only the dead have seen the end of war
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
April 13 2012 10:29 GMT
#5679
Ashe has the 5th lowest lvl 18 attack damage in the game. Out of everyone. Every AD does more damage than ashe (unless you're going AD fiddlesticks or something).

However, arrow is insanely good and you can kite really really effectively with Q on, meaning that in an actual game you will likely get far more hits in on ashe than on MF because it's so much easier to do so safely.

Ashe late game is incredibly strong, but I think it works best if you have some other major source of damage (like a cassio or something), because you don't do enough damage on your own to be the only major damage source on a team.
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-13 10:35:12
April 13 2012 10:30 GMT
#5680
On April 13 2012 19:21 Schwopzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 19:16 Slayer91 wrote:
Ashes damage in practical circumstances is actually really high with just IE or IE PD because of good range, good animation, volley, and her slow. There's a reason vayne and kog aren't played every game.


Endgame damage, not midgame ^^


Add LW and BT in there and the gap is even smaller. You saw hotshots cho with randunis and frozen heart melt in 5 seconds or less in hannover.

In lategame being harder to catch with CC and having a huge slow means you do a lot more damage than carries with "more damage" in a lot of games.

Nobody cares about your potential damage if everyone leaves you alone for 10 seconds. You don't see people playing rumble and fiddle and cass constantly because they do lots of damage lategame.

Kog has huge range a nice slow and good poke, vayne has huge mobility and true damage, tristana has huge range and a 2 escapes. People play ashe for damage just as much as people play tristana for damage, and they all have their own utility.
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