EPT[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 239
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UniversalSnip
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gtrsrs
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ManyCookies
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On April 10 2012 14:20 Niton wrote: Frostbite (1600) 200 HP 25 Magic Resist UNIQUE Passive: Your autoattacks have a 35% chance to apply Grievous Wounds, reducing the effect of all healing on the target by 50% for 3 seconds. Active: Shoots a blast of freezing air at the target, reducing the effect of all shields currently on the target and all new healing and shielding by 50% for 5 seconds. (No idea how to phrase that right..) If you want to get really saucy, you could even argue for a that + phage combo into a NuMallet. Case in point, MR+CDR+Health is decent for bruisers at pretty much all stages of the game. That's not a terrible item even without the passive, especially if it built into something. If you're up against anyone with decent regenerative effects, it becomes a great item. If you're up against Swain or Vlad, it becomes a stupidly good item. Again, items that hose that strongly should not actually be good or even decent on their own. Executioner's Calling should be bad in 99% of cases. The only time it should be good is a. When a healing champion is very fed (or is AD Sion late game) b. Riot makes a huge mistake with numbers on a healing effect. | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
On April 10 2012 14:20 Niton wrote: If you want to get really saucy, you could even argue for a that + phage combo into a NuMallet. stop fucking my mind... | ||
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triplej
United States47 Posts
new UI is sexy when you payback someone, it says SHUT DOWN in huge obnoxious letters, same with first blood it tells you when your First Win bonus is available on your profile page you can search for custom games now (there's a search box) | ||
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ManyCookies
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
On April 10 2012 14:42 ManyCookies wrote: I actually like the huge obnoxious letters for stuff like First Blood and Quadra/Penta kills, but we really don't need it every time someone gets a double kill or dies with a 3 kill streak. does anyone know if there's a way to turn that off, i can see that being really annoying lol | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On April 10 2012 14:31 ManyCookies wrote: Case in point, MR+CDR+Health is decent for bruisers at pretty much all stages of the game. That's not a terrible item even without the passive, especially if it built into something. If you're up against anyone with decent regenerative effects, it becomes a great item. If you're up against Swain or Vlad, it becomes a stupidly good item. Again, items that hose that strongly should not actually be good or even decent on their own. Executioner's Calling should be bad in 99% of cases. The only time it should be good is a. When a healing champion is very fed (or is AD Sion late game) b. Riot makes a huge mistake with numbers on a healing effect. Why? Most of the actives in this game have an effect that they counter, and Exec Calling is the only one that's bad on numbers alone (Gunblade just has the 'nobody can both use this well and spend that much on it' problem.) IMO, the best solution is simple: If a champion's viability is determined solely by the amount of healing a skill does to them. it should be unaffected by modifiers and balanced from there. A lot of design space is either skirted around or wasted because of the current binary toggle system. | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On April 10 2012 14:39 triplej wrote: when you payback someone, it says SHUT DOWN in huge obnoxious letters, same with first blood Anyone know if there are copyright laws/rules for things like this that are very similar to other games, like HoN (don't know if it's in DOTA#)? Or is it ubiquitous enough that it doesn't matter? I'm not sure what is considered "stealing/plagiarizing" when it comes to game design features. | ||
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ManyCookies
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On April 10 2012 14:43 Niton wrote: Why? Most of the actives in this game have an effect that they counter, and Exec Calling is the only one that's bad on numbers alone (Gunblade just has the 'nobody can both use this well and spend that much on it' problem.) Oh yeah, I'm not arguing against healing debuffs altogether. I'm specifically referring to the 50% reduction, which is "Slap on the wrist for most champions, curb stomp for a few". Frostbite would lose a bit of hosing power in exchange for being a decent item, which is a whole lot worse for said champions. IMO, the best solution is simple: If a champion's viability is determined solely by the amount of healing a skill does to them. it should be unaffected by modifiers and balanced from there. A lot of design space is either skirted around or wasted because of the current binary toggle system. Exactly. Completely and unambiguously agree...d with that a page ago. Effects like "UNIQUE Passive: Each Auto-attack applies a debuff that prevents 15 healing points for 5 seconds" would be great. Still useful, possibly more so against long term regen, and would still be better against Vlad/Swain/whatever, but it doesn't have to completely fuck them. Anyone know if there are copyright laws/rules for things like this that are very similar to other games, like HoN (don't know if it's in DOTA#)? Or is it ubiquitous enough that it doesn't matter? I'm not sure what is considered "stealing/plagiarizing" when it comes to game design features. For the most part, it has to be a really, really blatant rip-off. Like down the exact champions, items, and balance blatant. Just taking some game-design/ubiquitous phrase isn't remotely copyright infringement. I wouldn't even say that's ethical plagiarizing in most cases. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On April 10 2012 14:46 beefhamburger wrote: Anyone know if there are copyright laws/rules for things like this that are very similar to other games, like HoN (don't know if it's in DOTA#)? Or is it ubiquitous enough that it doesn't matter? I'm not sure what is considered "stealing/plagiarizing" when it comes to game design features. id Software would be the ones suiting. Unless someone was using things like "shut down" before Quake. Not to mention "shut down" has been in LoL since way before I started playing. Probably since beta. They just didn't have it in big letters. | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
On April 10 2012 14:46 beefhamburger wrote: Anyone know if there are copyright laws/rules for things like this that are very similar to other games, like HoN (don't know if it's in DOTA#)? Or is it ubiquitous enough that it doesn't matter? I'm not sure what is considered "stealing/plagiarizing" when it comes to game design features. doubt it but it'd be pretty awkward for HoN/DotA to sue riot for something like the announcement text given all the other similarities between the games | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 10 2012 14:46 beefhamburger wrote: Anyone know if there are copyright laws/rules for things like this that are very similar to other games, like HoN (don't know if it's in DOTA#)? Or is it ubiquitous enough that it doesn't matter? I'm not sure what is considered "stealing/plagiarizing" when it comes to game design features. LoL already uses some of the same kill callouts as DotA anyway. I'd assume that it's fine. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
I am pretty sure Valve and/or Blizzard are happy enough that Riot is being neutral in the copyright war. And HoNs company complaining about copying would just be hilarious. | ||
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Requizen
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UniversalSnip
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
They'd rather instantly become the only champion I played like... ever. I suck at DotA, and havn't played for years... but I have fond memories of running around with five meepos and instagibbing people with "Poof!" when everyone was convinced Geomancer was the worst champ ever made. | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
awwwwwww :D | ||
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ManyCookies
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