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Remember guys, this is the general discussion thread. Keep whine/QQ posts in the appropriate QQ memorial thread! Thanks!
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
April 10 2012 01:39 GMT
#4701
On April 10 2012 10:33 Fawkes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 10:06 TheKefka wrote:
N1 rammus counter---->soraka


Silence before he w's then hope your team blows him up in 2 spells?

Well yea if they have a brain.A rammus that can't W and powerballs into 5 people drops like a fly.
Cackle™
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 01:41:11
April 10 2012 01:39 GMT
#4702
I think Riot just wanted to make the stats/gold for Atma's more inline w/ other items in the game. I think it was a bit too cost effective late game.

I definitely agree with Op's original post that the nerf to the item was a class nerf, but I don't think Riot accounted for this.

The cleaner way to deal with it, is to Nerf Atma's and buff underused bruiser, just to make item balance better.
liftlift > tsm
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
April 10 2012 01:42 GMT
#4703
On April 10 2012 08:30 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 08:15 Slusher wrote:
Is Olaf even fun to play without Brolaf skin, serious question.


I don't know what the love is for the brolaf skin


spend more time around bros irl.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
April 10 2012 01:43 GMT
#4704
So bruisers get nerf, time to play double ap?
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
April 10 2012 01:44 GMT
#4705
bruisers got a huge buff in maw existing, I don't think atmas getting nerfed is going to have any particular impact on them.

It's also kinda lol that he draws an analogy with double wota, an item they should 100% take the aura off of. Not exactly helping your case there bro.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 01:46:16
April 10 2012 01:45 GMT
#4706
On April 10 2012 10:43 0123456789 wrote:
So bruisers get nerf, time to play double ap?


WotAWotAWotAWotAWotAWotAWotAWotA!

Triple WotA now viable! WotA on Mid, WotA on AP top, WotA on support.

I think that yes, double AP is a bit better, but it is being overexaggerated.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 01:55:38
April 10 2012 01:53 GMT
#4707
Huh, I just met some 1600 who just facechecked 3 of my tiger stance procs at level 1 in the river bush and went:

'HOW DOES UDYR DO SO MUCH DAMAGE?!'

'HOW DOES HE OUTTRADE ME WITHOUT LOSING HP?!'

wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 10 2012 01:55 GMT
#4708
tbh I think maw was created to counter double wota. but what bruisers needed was a way to counter spellvamp, rather than just the damage.
liftlift > tsm
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
April 10 2012 01:58 GMT
#4709
Wota and revolver stack.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 02:02:07
April 10 2012 02:00 GMT
#4710
On April 10 2012 10:55 wei2coolman wrote:
tbh I think maw was created to counter double wota. but what bruisers needed was a way to counter spellvamp, rather than just the damage.

Well executioners is collecting a lot of dust to be honest.Don't know if they need to buff it or something but buffing a item like that seems real dangerous.
They should rework it and add ad instead of crit or something I guess to make it attractive to bruisers.
Cackle™
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
April 10 2012 02:02 GMT
#4711
On April 10 2012 11:00 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 10:55 wei2coolman wrote:
tbh I think maw was created to counter double wota. but what bruisers needed was a way to counter spellvamp, rather than just the damage.

Well executioners is collecting a lot of dust to be honest.Don't know if they need to buff it or something but buffing a item like that seems real dangerous.

they need to do with it what they did to hexdrinker lol, make it build into a bigger item with more useful stats and the same effect
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 02:03:28
April 10 2012 02:02 GMT
#4712
On April 10 2012 11:00 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 10:55 wei2coolman wrote:
tbh I think maw was created to counter double wota. but what bruisers needed was a way to counter spellvamp, rather than just the damage.

Well executioners is collecting a lot of dust to be honest.Don't know if they need to buff it or something but buffing a item like that seems real dangerous.

The problem with executioners is that it offers stats that bruisers don't need, like crit chance, and that lifesteal (considering most bruisers can get away with limited lifesteal), and it doesn't build into anything lategame.

But I agree, a buff to something like this could be real dangerous, I could totally see AD ranged carries picking this up if it was buffed, and we all know ad carries don't need more buffs.
liftlift > tsm
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
April 10 2012 02:04 GMT
#4713
On April 10 2012 11:00 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 10:55 wei2coolman wrote:
tbh I think maw was created to counter double wota. but what bruisers needed was a way to counter spellvamp, rather than just the damage.

Well executioners is collecting a lot of dust to be honest.Don't know if they need to buff it or something but buffing a item like that seems real dangerous.

I said that in the IPL4 thread, they should make an item that builds from executioners calling for bruisers, so bruisers actually have a point for existing once the game gets going. They've been adding support and bruiser items, but you can't expect for them to suddenly dump like 4 items that should "fix" the game and expect for people to be able to figure it out.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 02:08:52
April 10 2012 02:04 GMT
#4714
"The Mundo Masher" "UNIQUE Active: Any healing effects on a champion instead deal 50% of the heal value in true damage" "UNIQUE Passive: Make all Mundos, Swains, Sions and Volibears with a 1100 range radius bawl like little girls".


In seriousness, ignite effects are rather binary:

Random Ignite/Grevious Wounds suggestion. I feel that the power curve on those effects are wonky; they completely hose a few champions (Mundo, Swain, Roka to an extent, etc.) and don't really do much on others. Following that, they make huge healing effects rather binary; either you Ignite the Mundo/Swain and he's a sitting duck (sorta), or you don't and he doesn't die. What if they instead prevented a flat amount of heal for x seconds, rather than a flat 50% reduction on everything? It'd still be useful against healers, but it wouldn't completely hose them if they got ignited. On the flip-side, it'd also give flexibility for various levels of "anti-sustain" like "Prevent 30 health of regen in the next 10 seconds". Not saying that'd necessarily be a good ability, but it opens up the design space.


With the recent regen bars, it could even have an icon to show your regen/heal is being blocked.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 02:11:05
April 10 2012 02:08 GMT
#4715
Well if they really do buff it or make it so it turns into something more useful than they need to raise the cd on the active because that thing right now has like a 20 secs cd and the debuff last for 8 seconds lol.
Like the dude above said if that item gets buffed instead of reworked you might as well just remove mundo and swain from the game.
Cackle™
ninjakingcola
Profile Joined March 2011
United States405 Posts
April 10 2012 02:15 GMT
#4716
On April 10 2012 10:06 TheKefka wrote:
N1 rammus counter---->soraka


I thought it was Janna.
Where my demons hide? Why, if I showed you it wouldn't be a secret my dear.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
April 10 2012 02:23 GMT
#4717

Well executioners is collecting a lot of dust to be honest.Don't know if they need to buff it or something but buffing a item like that seems real dangerous.


People don't buy Executioner's Calling because they don't have balls.

Dat crit and lifesteal aren't that bad, the active is just icing on the cake.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
April 10 2012 02:23 GMT
#4718
Janna counters everything though.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
April 10 2012 02:25 GMT
#4719
Let's say you could upgrade Exec Calling to something else, Hexdrinker style. Would that make you get it in lane?
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 02:28:21
April 10 2012 02:27 GMT
#4720
shake I love your stream but sometimes it randomly pauses and I have to refresh it, sometimes waiting for it to... buffer or something works as well, but often it doesn't. Only other stream I've noticed it on is vman's, I don't know what's up.

PS that fight where karthus ult didn't show up until the last second you coulda kicked the yorick ghost instead of yorick, it woulda yorick so it'd be the same amount of damage and the ghost wouldn't be smacking you as you tried to run away. Woulda lived.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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