EPT[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 228
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dooraven
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dooraven
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http://www.twitch.tv/absolutelegends Winner vs Sypher in grand finals | ||
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zulu_nation8
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Mondieu
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daemir
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shrinkmaster
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On April 09 2012 20:17 zulu_nation8 wrote: xmithie solo'd drag at 4min with a dorans blade, really curious how he did it. woot? which hero? | ||
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fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
Fiddlesticks? | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
On April 09 2012 16:12 obesechicken13 wrote: You know how in Dota a single champ can farm multiple lanes? Well I just thought... can't some junglers do that too? Like if you have a twitch jungling and a huge wave is pushing top, you can have twitch come top, farm the wave, go back to the jungle, and do it again once bot starts pushing essentially funneling farm into one champion. how can you farm multiple lanes in dota? You cannot be at two places at once. Btw what team is Wingsofdeath in? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 09 2012 13:22 gtrsrs wrote: yo just for clarification, putting someone bot lane and then denying them farm doesn't make them a support champ. there is no "support urgot" because urgot doesn't have any skills that are buffs/shields/heals/boosts/whatever for his teammates. stacking gp10s does not make a champ a support champ, and buying auras does not make a champ a support champ. placing champs that need farm in a no-farm position just makes them underfarmed versions of themselves. the question you guys are ACTUALLY asking is "can urgot perform without farm in a cheesy kill lane as the second AD-carry" and the answer depends on your opponents. will urgot without farm ever be as good as soraka or taric or whomever without farm? come on, you know the answer to that... I disagree with this HEAVILY. The ONLY qualification that is necesary for a champion to work as a support is that they are able to perform some function useful to the team without any items. Heals/sheilds/buffs for lane and late game are 1 way to do it. But it isnt the only way. Your definition means that blitzcrank and leona are just underfarmed versions of themselves. Hell, after this weekend your definition would mean that Janna, lulu, alistar, and soraka are all underfarmed versions of themselves when played bot because they can all be played more effectivly mid, top, or in the jungle. The real question that defines wether a champ works as a support is that even if they only have 10% of the items they would want they can still use 75% of their potential. Galio, for example, can perform at 60-75% with no farm. Hence why we see chauster use him bot. | ||
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JackDino
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Doing drag at 4mins on fiddle is normal, why would a fiddle start with dblade ? You sure it was a fiddle? | ||
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Two_DoWn
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On April 09 2012 21:44 Two_DoWn wrote: I disagree with this HEAVILY. The ONLY qualification that is necesary for a champion to work as a support is that they are able to perform some function useful to the team without any items. Heals/sheilds/buffs for lane and late game are 1 way to do it. But it isnt the only way. Your definition means that blitzcrank and leona are just underfarmed versions of themselves. Hell, after this weekend your definition would mean that Janna, lulu, alistar, and soraka are all underfarmed versions of themselves when played bot because they can all be played more effectivly mid, top, or in the jungle. The real question that defines wether a champ works as a support is that even if they only have 10% of the items they would want they can still use 75% of their potential. Galio, for example, can perform at 60-75% with no farm. Hence why we see chauster use him bot. see i dont like how you phrase it either, a 6 item soraka vs a 1 item soraka isnt 75% as effective. the soraka is much much worse. the point of a support role in the current meta is can they achieve more or less than another champ with no items. the comparison isnt with the farmed version of themselves its with the underfarmed version of another hero. for example 6 item graves stomps 6 item soraka. but 1 item soraka probably kills(or achieves more for the team) a 1 item graves. so its easy to say that if you have to have a 0 cs support role, soraka is stronger than graves (in general). | ||
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BlackPaladin
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-Zoda-
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Since he's built bruiser anyway, why does nobody play him top lane where he could shit on any non-ranged char ? Kinda like seeing corki top. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On April 09 2012 22:26 -Zoda- wrote: People were talking about Urgot soem pages ago and a question came to my mind: Since he's built bruiser anyway, why does nobody play him top lane where he could shit on any non-ranged char ? Kinda like seeing corki top. Not sure if he has the mana to top, urgot used to be one of the best mids though. Just shat on everything. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 09 2012 22:07 BlackPaladin wrote: It's mainly just dependant on the utility the champ supplies to the team. That's a major factor of a support for a team - they provide some type of utility for the team to effectively use. Obviously a soraka with a dcap will HEAL more than a soraka without one, but items don't change the fact that she still gives 16 MR to the team and 125 armor to the one she heals. Utility of your spells don't scale, only potency. It's why things like "support ashe" or "support plank" can exist, because they have a lot of general utility even without farm. They're not conventional supports and don't work as well because their kits weren't designed specifically for it, but that doesn't mean they're not a support if you pick them to act as one. To be fair, I dont think "design" is the reason that they arent as effective. The thing that stops them is the current confines of normalcy. Karma was meant to be a support. Nunu wasnt. Ori was meant to be a support. Galio wasnt. Lux and Morg were meant to be supports. I think the key to working as a support CURRENTLY is having enough utility or damage without items to survive laning, then after that just being high utility is enough. For example, Ashe would probably be the best support in the game if you could start a game with everyone at level 6. If you remove the requirement to babysit, the support pool expands drastically. And we end up with a lot better choices overall. Which will actually make these new changes to exp interesting: if they let you roam around more and still keep up with levels, you should be able to FORCE bot to become a 1v1 lane simply by picking a champ who can 1v2 semi sucessfully while you go around killing other lanes. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On April 09 2012 22:26 -Zoda- wrote: People were talking about Urgot soem pages ago and a question came to my mind: Since he's built bruiser anyway, why does nobody play him top lane where he could shit on any non-ranged char ? Kinda like seeing corki top. He's an easy gank top for the most part and runs out of mana real fast. That's why he's really strong mid where ganking is harder and really strong bottom where he has a support to ward and zone for him while he does his harassment. If you want a pure harass bullying bruiser top Pantheon doesn't have to wait 3 levels to be really efficient and can w to junglers who come behind him at the very least. Left alone up top, though, Urgot is a real beast of a laner like he is anywhere, for sure. | ||
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