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Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
April 09 2012 05:32 GMT
#4501
On April 09 2012 13:54 daemir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 13:22 gtrsrs wrote:
yo just for clarification, putting someone bot lane and then denying them farm doesn't make them a support champ. there is no "support urgot" because urgot doesn't have any skills that are buffs/shields/heals/boosts/whatever for his teammates. stacking gp10s does not make a champ a support champ, and buying auras does not make a champ a support champ. placing champs that need farm in a no-farm position just makes them underfarmed versions of themselves.

the question you guys are ACTUALLY asking is "can urgot perform without farm in a cheesy kill lane as the second AD-carry" and the answer depends on your opponents. will urgot without farm ever be as good as soraka or taric or whomever without farm? come on, you know the answer to that...


Soraka, no, Taric? Probably lol.


Are you implying that Taric is a bad support?

Please tell me you aren't.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 05:42:03
April 09 2012 05:36 GMT
#4502
Taric lost almost every game at IPL, he's pretty bad. Soraka won almost every game and Janna got banned a bunch. Basically, Janna/Soraka > everything.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 09 2012 05:36 GMT
#4503
No real offense, but how on did this Travis guy get to be host of SOTL and interviewer for IPL etc...? I dont know If I'm alone in this but I just get this horrible vibe from him....he has like negative charisma or something. Listening to him he doesnt seem to have any sort of game knowledge either. Was he a pro or something or a riot employee or what, or is he just a dude who managed to start a stream show mysteriously?
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 09 2012 05:38 GMT
#4504
On April 09 2012 14:36 sob3k wrote:
No real offense, but how on did this Travis guy get to be host of SOTL and interviewer for IPL etc...? I dont know If I'm alone in this but I just get this horrible vibe from him....he has like negative charisma or something. Listening to him he doesnt seem to have any sort of game knowledge either. Was he a pro or something or a riot employee or what, or is he just a dude who managed to start a stream show mysteriously?

He allowed Doublelift to live with him when Doublelift got kicked out of his home by his mom or something.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
SpaceToaster
Profile Joined October 2010
United States289 Posts
April 09 2012 05:38 GMT
#4505
On April 09 2012 14:36 sob3k wrote:
No real offense, but how on did this Travis guy get to be host of SOTL and interviewer for IPL etc...? I dont know If I'm alone in this but I just get this horrible vibe from him....he has like negative charisma or something. Listening to him he doesnt seem to have any sort of game knowledge either. Was he a pro or something or a riot employee or what, or is he just a dude who managed to start a stream show mysteriously?


As far as I know, hes an above average player, but not pro, just the first one to have the idea. High enough Elo to know some pros to get it all off the ground. Don't call me on it though, I haven't really watched it since the third or fourth one.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 09 2012 05:39 GMT
#4506
I seriously don't understand all this Travis hate?

Sure he's not the most attractive looking guy, but he does a good job with interviewing, very personal connection with a lot of the players. Even that SotL at Ipl was pretty legit as well.
liftlift > tsm
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 05:40:53
April 09 2012 05:39 GMT
#4507
On April 09 2012 14:36 sob3k wrote:
No real offense, but how on did this Travis guy get to be host of SOTL and interviewer for IPL etc...? I dont know If I'm alone in this but I just get this horrible vibe from him....he has like negative charisma or something. Listening to him he doesnt seem to have any sort of game knowledge either. Was he a pro or something or a riot employee or what, or is he just a dude who managed to start a stream show mysteriously?


I think at this point, I feel like the fact that he comes across as a tool is actually something of a feature of the podcast. I actually like the podcast because his attitude contrasts well with the players. I feel like an actually charismatic host might not even work as well.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 05:42:31
April 09 2012 05:40 GMT
#4508
On April 09 2012 14:36 sob3k wrote:
No real offense, but how on did this Travis guy get to be host of SOTL and interviewer for IPL etc...? I dont know If I'm alone in this but I just get this horrible vibe from him....he has like negative charisma or something. Listening to him he doesnt seem to have any sort of game knowledge either. Was he a pro or something or a riot employee or what, or is he just a dude who managed to start a stream show mysteriously?


Well if you create the show then I guess it's probably you "get to be the host" of SOTL
As for the interviewer, no idea. I'm pretty neutral about him, I can listen to him, but he isn't the most exciting and his control over his own show is sometimes lax.

And yes, I think Taric is a horrible support, absolutely terrible. He doesn't offer anything comparable to other supports once laning phase is over. I'd rather have the urgot support at that point. His skillset is unbelievably boring. Armor aura, ad/ap aura, a point click stun, weak heal. Woohoo..
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 09 2012 05:42 GMT
#4509
Wow, after hearing about doublelifts story , i gotta support my asian brethern.
liftlift > tsm
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
April 09 2012 05:55 GMT
#4510
On April 09 2012 14:38 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 14:36 sob3k wrote:
No real offense, but how on did this Travis guy get to be host of SOTL and interviewer for IPL etc...? I dont know If I'm alone in this but I just get this horrible vibe from him....he has like negative charisma or something. Listening to him he doesnt seem to have any sort of game knowledge either. Was he a pro or something or a riot employee or what, or is he just a dude who managed to start a stream show mysteriously?

He allowed Doublelift to live with him when Doublelift got kicked out of his home by his mom or something.


Clearly the take home message here is that TL needs to get me some sick connections so I can become the next big thing in LoL casting/media, I promise I will deliver(trust me I am way better looking and way more charismatic than Travis, although that's not saying much).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
April 09 2012 05:56 GMT
#4511
How do you deal with crippling loss? I just lost a game where my team got 0 kills after annie feeds 4 kills to talon mid, and janna/ezreal fed enemy sivir at bot. I was jungling Mundo and just so thrown off I did terribly, ended up 1-4 only getting a kill cause kennen dived up to the shop for kicks when we were losing our nexus

I hate to say "i lost cause of my team" cause it doesn't help me improve. How do I learn and improve from a game where every lane was feeding. The most frustrating situation was me coming down the river for an easy gank on their sona (who had blown ult already) and sivir. The ezreal and janna stayed at the tower. I knew they had warded part of the brush so I stayed in the fog on the side of their jungle. After entering the jungle bot warns me for the first time "they warded river noob mundo" (they didnt warn me about the brush ward during my first gank bot either) and didn't come to help, both were full while sona/sivir were about half and they just left me to die in the bush under 2 golem camp then flamed me all game for "coming after we warned u about ward **** noob"

can I take anything away from a game like this? I guess I can just look for opportunities where I could have carried situations instead of just farming my jungle safely like I did for most of the game since no one would cooperate with ganks
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 09 2012 06:00 GMT
#4512
On April 09 2012 14:55 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 14:38 HazMat wrote:
On April 09 2012 14:36 sob3k wrote:
No real offense, but how on did this Travis guy get to be host of SOTL and interviewer for IPL etc...? I dont know If I'm alone in this but I just get this horrible vibe from him....he has like negative charisma or something. Listening to him he doesnt seem to have any sort of game knowledge either. Was he a pro or something or a riot employee or what, or is he just a dude who managed to start a stream show mysteriously?

He allowed Doublelift to live with him when Doublelift got kicked out of his home by his mom or something.


Clearly the take home message here is that TL needs to get me some sick connections so I can become the next big thing in LoL casting/media, I promise I will deliver(trust me I am way better looking and way more charismatic than Travis, although that's not saying much).

pics or gtfo.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 09 2012 06:00 GMT
#4513
On April 09 2012 14:32 Qualm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 13:54 daemir wrote:
On April 09 2012 13:22 gtrsrs wrote:
yo just for clarification, putting someone bot lane and then denying them farm doesn't make them a support champ. there is no "support urgot" because urgot doesn't have any skills that are buffs/shields/heals/boosts/whatever for his teammates. stacking gp10s does not make a champ a support champ, and buying auras does not make a champ a support champ. placing champs that need farm in a no-farm position just makes them underfarmed versions of themselves.

the question you guys are ACTUALLY asking is "can urgot perform without farm in a cheesy kill lane as the second AD-carry" and the answer depends on your opponents. will urgot without farm ever be as good as soraka or taric or whomever without farm? come on, you know the answer to that...


Soraka, no, Taric? Probably lol.


Are you implying that Taric is a bad support?

Please tell me you aren't.


It isn't that Taric is bad but if you want a support with a stun why pick Taric when you could pick Leona or Alistar? Both bring a lot more to a team late game than Taric. Both are stronger in lane too imo. I dunno why people still pick Taric to be honest.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
April 09 2012 06:02 GMT
#4514
Ali Leona is to Taric like Nautilus is to Sejuani, why pick the latter if the former is available.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 06:08:35
April 09 2012 06:06 GMT
#4515
On April 09 2012 15:00 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 14:32 Qualm wrote:
On April 09 2012 13:54 daemir wrote:
On April 09 2012 13:22 gtrsrs wrote:
yo just for clarification, putting someone bot lane and then denying them farm doesn't make them a support champ. there is no "support urgot" because urgot doesn't have any skills that are buffs/shields/heals/boosts/whatever for his teammates. stacking gp10s does not make a champ a support champ, and buying auras does not make a champ a support champ. placing champs that need farm in a no-farm position just makes them underfarmed versions of themselves.

the question you guys are ACTUALLY asking is "can urgot perform without farm in a cheesy kill lane as the second AD-carry" and the answer depends on your opponents. will urgot without farm ever be as good as soraka or taric or whomever without farm? come on, you know the answer to that...


Soraka, no, Taric? Probably lol.


Are you implying that Taric is a bad support?

Please tell me you aren't.


It isn't that Taric is bad but if you want a support with a stun why pick Taric when you could pick Leona or Alistar? Both bring a lot more to a team late game than Taric. Both are stronger in lane too imo. I dunno why people still pick Taric to be honest.

Because there's actually a lot to be said about having a reliable single-target stun that has moderate range and doesn't require a skillshot to set up. As a defensive/frontline stun, Ali/Leona are obviously superior, but Ali/Leona can't be as selective about their stun targets often-times because their stuns being melee/pbaoe means your positioning heavily restricts what you can hit.

Though TBH I think Riot caved too easily to the whining about single-target point-and-click stuns. People bitched about Sion+X or Taric+X lanes being too hard to beat and Riot just caved to the pressure and shaved half a second off each of them. It's hard to justify single-target stuns in general when they have LESS duration than their AoE counterparts.
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DURRHURRDERP
Profile Joined May 2006
Canada929 Posts
April 09 2012 06:08 GMT
#4516
taric used to suck a lot comparatively but now that they nerfed alistar, janna, sona and soraka, taric is pretty good. he has a lot more reliable stun/burst than leona.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 09 2012 06:15 GMT
#4517
Taric used to be one of the strongest laning supports and you actually used him to crush your lane. Nowadays taric cannot even do that. Imo Soraka's the strongest laner at the moment with corki or graves or anyone who can get free damage so long as they have the mana.

Taric's only a decent pick at the moment vs an AD-heavy team.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 09 2012 06:19 GMT
#4518
I'm so sad about current taric....
liftlift > tsm
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 09 2012 06:20 GMT
#4519
On April 09 2012 14:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
How do you deal with crippling loss? I just lost a game where my team got 0 kills after annie feeds 4 kills to talon mid, and janna/ezreal fed enemy sivir at bot. I was jungling Mundo and just so thrown off I did terribly, ended up 1-4 only getting a kill cause kennen dived up to the shop for kicks when we were losing our nexus

I hate to say "i lost cause of my team" cause it doesn't help me improve. How do I learn and improve from a game where every lane was feeding. The most frustrating situation was me coming down the river for an easy gank on their sona (who had blown ult already) and sivir. The ezreal and janna stayed at the tower. I knew they had warded part of the brush so I stayed in the fog on the side of their jungle. After entering the jungle bot warns me for the first time "they warded river noob mundo" (they didnt warn me about the brush ward during my first gank bot either) and didn't come to help, both were full while sona/sivir were about half and they just left me to die in the bush under 2 golem camp then flamed me all game for "coming after we warned u about ward **** noob"

can I take anything away from a game like this? I guess I can just look for opportunities where I could have carried situations instead of just farming my jungle safely like I did for most of the game since no one would cooperate with ganks

It's hard to say exactly what you could've done without being able to watch the game.

However, keep in mind that because this is a team game, some games truly are unwinnable. One possible way to improve when you get absolutely crushed is to take note of what the opposing team did that helped them win. Also, when lanes start to lose, people, especially at lower levels of play, tend to implode on themselves and start tilting really hard. It's important to keep your teammates morale up. Usually that means directing the team to objectives or simply just ganking a ton.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
April 09 2012 06:25 GMT
#4520
dafuk guys taric not bad at all. the key to winning with taric is to buy the pink ranger skin. before i got that i was 0-3 with taric in ranked. now i am 5-3
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