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Remember guys, this is the general discussion thread. Keep whine/QQ posts in the appropriate QQ memorial thread! Thanks!
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
April 07 2012 07:18 GMT
#4321
so i just figured out that u can use old pax skin codes for korean servers and it will work
if any1 has pax jax or pax sivir or pax tf skin that they already used on na and would like to share with my team i'd really appreciate it
ill answer questions about high elo or tourney stuff in detail if any1 helps out thnx~
i wish riot would give me better ping
jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
April 07 2012 07:19 GMT
#4322
were people using full mr pages?
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
April 07 2012 07:27 GMT
#4323
Yes, shuts down things like leblanc so you can just build like triple doran and be safish in lane.
Juddas
Profile Joined January 2011
768 Posts
April 07 2012 07:40 GMT
#4324
So just played a super duper fun thing and i think I finally found a good spot for teemo. Support. He can harrass all day long and is a perma ward. I just did that to troll around and my trist had shits of CS and they had none because of the amount of harrass they were taking. I would bling them when they tried to last hit and then auto them and then they were less than 1/4 and at tower.

i was also tank XD, trolling pretty hard, but we won at 30 and I was 2/5/20 and the trist ended up 15/6/8 i think. It was lots of fun too. A good chase, harrass, harrass preventer, and OP free wards that slow. New meta
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
April 07 2012 07:45 GMT
#4325
On April 07 2012 16:40 Juddas wrote:
So just played a super duper fun thing and i think I finally found a good spot for teemo. Support. He can harrass all day long and is a perma ward. I just did that to troll around and my trist had shits of CS and they had none because of the amount of harrass they were taking. I would bling them when they tried to last hit and then auto them and then they were less than 1/4 and at tower.

i was also tank XD, trolling pretty hard, but we won at 30 and I was 2/5/20 and the trist ended up 15/6/8 i think. It was lots of fun too. A good chase, harrass, harrass preventer, and OP free wards that slow. New meta


Late to the party my friend, Support Teemo been a hidden op for ages duder. <3 Captain Teemo is a boss, counters every top lane and is awesome support.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
April 07 2012 07:49 GMT
#4326
http://www.lolpro.com/news/269-hecarim-varus-skills-and-stats-patch-changes

Unofficial Patch notes from the PBE.

Interesting:
Atma's Impaler now grants Attack Damage equal to 1.5% of your maximum Health, down from 2%.
Doran's Blade now grants +80 Health, down from +100 Health.
Doran's Ring now grants +80 Health, down from +100 Health.
Wit's End now has a 2150 Item Cost and 700 Recipe Cost. Up from 2000 Item Cost and 550 Recipe Cost.

A bunch of champions get reduced mana costs on their ultimates (Janna, Swain, Zilean) and Ori's Q is now 50 mana at all ranks,
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 07:56:53
April 07 2012 07:55 GMT
#4327
Those doran nerfs are nice from a support player's perspective. Now we're slightly less weak relative to the carries.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
April 07 2012 07:58 GMT
#4328
What. Like, reduce power of early game champs by giving exp boost for lower levels, and then proceed to nerf one of the main items of these champs...
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 08:02:27
April 07 2012 07:59 GMT
#4329
Was on the PBE with Swain. The change is appreciable, but Swain is still Blue reliant.

However, not on the patch notes, Swain's AA was changed. And it is AMAZING. Dear lord, it's so fucking smooth. There's pretty much no wind-up and the projectile is super fast. It's so, so much easier to last hit early on.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 07 2012 08:00 GMT
#4330
atma's nerf is coming about 4 patches after it was relevant
doran's should decrease in cost in addition to the nerf, doran's openings simply aren't viable compared to boots start in any lane except bot
wit's end nerf is needed. i would have hit its values instead of its cost but to each his own. probably gonna see a shift to other items like rageblade and ionic on certain champs
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 08:10:40
April 07 2012 08:09 GMT
#4331
Our team had a ridiculous champ selection which ended with me being stuck with Twitch top...

Dude, why the hell does everyone think twitch a bad champion? Like my last 10 games since have just been me playing twitch top and getting 15+ kills while carrying stupidly hard.

I feel like Rincent.
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
April 07 2012 08:16 GMT
#4332
Phage is now even better than double dorans as an ad carry.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
April 07 2012 08:20 GMT
#4333
Atmas nerf seems way too hard, doran's nerf I'm very happy about, wit's nerf I'm very happy about although perhaps it should have been done a different way. For example, they could have kept the max value the same but it could have required six or seven stacks to reach that value.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
April 07 2012 08:23 GMT
#4334
From those item nerfs, the only one I really agree with is the wits end nerf. If they nerf the dorans items, they should sell for more gold imo.

Orianna and Swain buffs are sweet
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 07 2012 08:24 GMT
#4335
Don't see why the nerf atmas when atmas builds are no longer dominating everything. the time when everyone and their mother ran warmogs/atmas was loooooonng ago.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 07 2012 08:26 GMT
#4336
Atmas is still very gold efficient even if you dont build warmogs, 40 AD,45 armour and 18% crit on someone with 2k(very easy to get on bruisers without building warmogs/mallet) hp for only 2355g? That's like almost bf for 825g.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
April 07 2012 08:28 GMT
#4337
So I just did some games on PBE with Hecarim. A few observations on him:

I got about 20-25 AD using boots of mobility and no movement speed quints. More bonus damage with E activated.

His Q does very mediocre damage, but very spammable. costs 25 mana at all levels. Very similar to skarners Q but without the slow.. however it scales with ad. Each time you use Q, you get a buff which reduces the CD on Q for 1 sec, stacks twice. So it takes two Qs to get the CD down to 2sec, before any CDR.

His W does about 260 magic dmg in an aoe at lvl 5. The healing has a cap on minions. 80-260 i think? It works really good in team fights as you get healing off all the damage enemies takes from any sources.

His E is really sick. It basically accelerates you for 4 seconds, I remember getting 600 something movement speed at level 5 with mobility boots at the end of the duration. It has a fairly high base damage, 80 max dmg at level 1, 150 at level 2 and 360 at level 5 max bonus damage for your next hit. I'm not sure how far away it is necessary to reach the max bonus damage yet tho.. oh and upon impact you and your target will be knocked forward slightly. This skill is really good at both engaging and disengaging.

His ultimate makes him charges across the field doing magic damage(100 initial + 50 at level 1) and does a 1 sec aoe fear at the impact area. It kinda like Sejuani's Q and works wonders as a gap closer. This synergies really well with E. Use E from far away, use ulti to close in, and then bam, tons of damage.

I can't draw a conclusion on wether he is good or not, as I have only played against noobs :p
gonna go play a few more games with him now.
Best Teemo World
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
April 07 2012 08:33 GMT
#4338
On April 07 2012 17:23 h3r1n6 wrote:
From those item nerfs, the only one I really agree with is the wits end nerf. If they nerf the dorans items, they should sell for more gold imo.

Orianna and Swain buffs are sweet


Dont think Ori buffs are enough.

She still kinda useless in lane, imo.

She need some sort of other buff, maybe an Auto attack range increase or something? I dunno.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 08:38:08
April 07 2012 08:37 GMT
#4339
On April 07 2012 17:33 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 17:23 h3r1n6 wrote:
From those item nerfs, the only one I really agree with is the wits end nerf. If they nerf the dorans items, they should sell for more gold imo.

Orianna and Swain buffs are sweet


Dont think Ori buffs are enough.

She still kinda useless in lane, imo.

She need some sort of other buff, maybe an Auto attack range increase or something? I dunno.


The mana reduction on Q is a pretty big buff imo. That thing gets spammed so hard. I wish she'd come back to style though, Orianna is by far my favorite AP carry to have in a game. So fun.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 09:16:19
April 07 2012 08:49 GMT
#4340
On April 07 2012 17:37 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 17:33 iCanada wrote:
On April 07 2012 17:23 h3r1n6 wrote:
From those item nerfs, the only one I really agree with is the wits end nerf. If they nerf the dorans items, they should sell for more gold imo.

Orianna and Swain buffs are sweet


Dont think Ori buffs are enough.

She still kinda useless in lane, imo.

She need some sort of other buff, maybe an Auto attack range increase or something? I dunno.


The mana reduction on Q is a pretty big buff imo. That thing gets spammed so hard. I wish she'd come back to style though, Orianna is by far my favorite AP carry to have in a game. So fun.


I know, but considering the Blue buff nerfs last patch she in the same spot she was in before. It great her Q costs 5/10/15/20 less mana on levesl 2/3/4/5 but she still mana starved as hell. Not only that many mage picks flat out out range her Q with nukes that deal more damage and are much easier to use. Take Ahri for example... not only her Q have a 80 range advantage it deals twice the damage, and has higher scaling... and then her auto attack is 25 range higher than ori's.

They scale back her damage so that she has to rely on her passives AA boost, but her AA's like one of the shortest compared to the resft of the mages in the game.

Even if you really really really want a Utility mage I'd say just taking a Zilean, Galio, Moragan or even say an AP Janna/Lulu gives you a much better lane presence, much better AP ratios/scaling, and pretty well similar levels of utility all the while being significantly easier to play.

Orianna prolly my favorite champion in the game, but she just not competitively viable compared to some other picks.
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