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Remember guys, this is the general discussion thread. Keep whine/QQ posts in the appropriate QQ memorial thread! Thanks!
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
April 07 2012 01:39 GMT
#4281
On April 07 2012 10:05 warscythes wrote:
Eh, Kayle will probably still be underpowered,


She isn't underpowered. She is just a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none type of champion. Sure she can fill in any role on the team, but she isn't equal to the normal champions of each role. She trades off a dedicated role for a little bit of everything.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
April 07 2012 01:43 GMT
#4282
On April 07 2012 10:17 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 10:15 xiaoW wrote:
Teemo is gonna be strong I think.
Also, this patch is going to be good for AD carries and junglers as well. If an AD carry kills a sololane champ he will get more exp now, don't know how it will work out exactly tho


It also makes solo laner much less powerful in that it is much harder for say a Sion to go bot and snowball because even if he does get a kill he gets less experience from it than he would before.

I like it.

I wonder if they changing Nautilus' W procs because it has the same "bug" or mechanic as Teemo poison as well.


I think the naut part is meant to work like that. Says in his tooltip or something.

I really hope teemo isn't too strong this patch. I understand the game will never be perfectly balanced, but it is a lot more fun when the op champs don't include teemo.

I feel like roaming gameplay might make a return. You can get ali/blitz running between jungle and top/bot just being a jerk, then still advance in levels from the assists.
This, my friends, is the power of the Shikyo Memorial for QQ therapy thread. We make the world a better place, one chainsaw massacre prevention at a time.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 02:03:41
April 07 2012 01:51 GMT
#4283
KAYLE!!!!!!
Buff isn't that big. her Q still sucks.

It doesn't make sense to nerf defense over offence because offence affects how you do damage to every other target which allows mages to do their jobs. If offence is equal in strength to defense then you can build offensively, win trades, and snowball ahead to have so much offensive power you can kill anyone on the enemy team. The same can't be said of defense.

I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
April 07 2012 02:11 GMT
#4284
Varus skills - http://www.gamezone.com/products/league-of-legends/previews/pax-east-2012-league-of-legends-varus-the-arrow-of-retribution-abilities-and-impressions
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 02:24:25
April 07 2012 02:19 GMT
#4285
Holy crap, that's a good 30DPS stolen from Teemo. That should be a significant buff.
jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
April 07 2012 02:28 GMT
#4286
varus gets the bonus as on creep kills and can move while charging up her q. i just became very interested in him.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 02:37:40
April 07 2012 02:37 GMT
#4287
AS boost on minion kills sound like he'll be very easy to farm under tower with.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 02:43:43
April 07 2012 02:39 GMT
#4288
Yeah after seeing today's games... kog'maw is gonna get nerfed. He's supposed to deal this much damage because he's easy to get to but it's just too easy to protect him for that to work out. Half the games with him there wasn't even a protect comp, they just picked tanky guys to stand in the way. How does ryze olaf mundo peel for kog? That isn't a protect comp.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Glaceau
Profile Joined February 2012
Wales333 Posts
April 07 2012 02:50 GMT
#4289
from my impressions at pax, the centaur looks mediocre and the new ranged ad looks amazing.
Cmon, swing it
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
April 07 2012 02:51 GMT
#4290
On April 07 2012 11:39 UniversalSnip wrote:
Yeah after seeing today's games... kog'maw is gonna get nerfed. He's supposed to deal this much damage because he's easy to get to but it's just too easy to protect him for that to work out. Half the games with him there wasn't even a protect comp, they just picked tanky guys to stand in the way. How does ryze olaf mundo peel for kog? That isn't a protect comp.

Instant snare and heavy slows. It's one of those things where if you have a competent team it looks broken as all hell but if you don't, it's garbage.
Spaceball
Profile Joined November 2007
United States213 Posts
April 07 2012 02:53 GMT
#4291
I love playing Kayle so Im pretty excited about the changes. I've long felt her Q, E, & R were good skills but her passive and W were pretty lacking. Have to wait for the actual numbers, but fixing W will be a very welcome change imo.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 02:59:32
April 07 2012 02:59 GMT
#4292
On April 07 2012 10:43 petered wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 10:17 iCanada wrote:
On April 07 2012 10:15 xiaoW wrote:
Teemo is gonna be strong I think.
Also, this patch is going to be good for AD carries and junglers as well. If an AD carry kills a sololane champ he will get more exp now, don't know how it will work out exactly tho


It also makes solo laner much less powerful in that it is much harder for say a Sion to go bot and snowball because even if he does get a kill he gets less experience from it than he would before.

I like it.

I wonder if they changing Nautilus' W procs because it has the same "bug" or mechanic as Teemo poison as well.


I think the naut part is meant to work like that. Says in his tooltip or something.

I really hope teemo isn't too strong this patch. I understand the game will never be perfectly balanced, but it is a lot more fun when the op champs don't include teemo.

I feel like roaming gameplay might make a return. You can get ali/blitz running between jungle and top/bot just being a jerk, then still advance in levels from the assists.


Riot is actually quite aware of how Naut's W works currently, at the time of release they designed it that way on purpose. It's still always possible a stealth change might make it through, but they'd have to consciously change the champ to do that. Most likely.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
April 07 2012 03:00 GMT
#4293
On April 07 2012 11:51 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 11:39 UniversalSnip wrote:
Yeah after seeing today's games... kog'maw is gonna get nerfed. He's supposed to deal this much damage because he's easy to get to but it's just too easy to protect him for that to work out. Half the games with him there wasn't even a protect comp, they just picked tanky guys to stand in the way. How does ryze olaf mundo peel for kog? That isn't a protect comp.

Instant snare and heavy slows. It's one of those things where if you have a competent team it looks broken as all hell but if you don't, it's garbage.


Do you even know what I'm talking about? I'm pretty sure the teams at ipl4 are competent.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
April 07 2012 03:21 GMT
#4294
On April 07 2012 12:00 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 11:51 Gahlo wrote:
On April 07 2012 11:39 UniversalSnip wrote:
Yeah after seeing today's games... kog'maw is gonna get nerfed. He's supposed to deal this much damage because he's easy to get to but it's just too easy to protect him for that to work out. Half the games with him there wasn't even a protect comp, they just picked tanky guys to stand in the way. How does ryze olaf mundo peel for kog? That isn't a protect comp.

Instant snare and heavy slows. It's one of those things where if you have a competent team it looks broken as all hell but if you don't, it's garbage.


Do you even know what I'm talking about? I'm pretty sure the teams at ipl4 are competent.

So snaring and putting heavy slows on people diving your carry doesn't count as peeling for him?

Either way not everybody plays at IPL level with IPL caliber teammates.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
April 07 2012 03:28 GMT
#4295
On April 07 2012 12:21 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 12:00 UniversalSnip wrote:
On April 07 2012 11:51 Gahlo wrote:
On April 07 2012 11:39 UniversalSnip wrote:
Yeah after seeing today's games... kog'maw is gonna get nerfed. He's supposed to deal this much damage because he's easy to get to but it's just too easy to protect him for that to work out. Half the games with him there wasn't even a protect comp, they just picked tanky guys to stand in the way. How does ryze olaf mundo peel for kog? That isn't a protect comp.

Instant snare and heavy slows. It's one of those things where if you have a competent team it looks broken as all hell but if you don't, it's garbage.


Do you even know what I'm talking about? I'm pretty sure the teams at ipl4 are competent.

So snaring and putting heavy slows on people diving your carry doesn't count as peeling for him?

Either way not everybody plays at IPL level with IPL caliber teammates.


I assumed you meant the opposing team.

I'm extremely skeptical of the doesn't work in pubs argument, both because I don't think it's true and because broken competitive strats that don't work in pubs should still be nerfed.

And no, ryze mundo olaf are garbage peelers.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
April 07 2012 03:47 GMT
#4296
Man if they nerf AD kog, I hope they do it in a way that does not nerf AP Kog.

really unhappy about the exp change, I think it helps the game as an esport, but I'm not a fan of comeback mechanics. I guess we will see how strong it is in the end.

On the other hand it actually sounds like a much needed change for support.
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 07 2012 03:47 GMT
#4297
On April 07 2012 10:39 57 Corvette wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 10:05 warscythes wrote:
Eh, Kayle will probably still be underpowered,


She isn't underpowered. She is just a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none type of champion. Sure she can fill in any role on the team, but she isn't equal to the normal champions of each role. She trades off a dedicated role for a little bit of everything.


Umm. Jack of all trades characters (almost) never work.

I.E.

Spellpower Ret paladin (wow)
Tri-Sorc (Diablo2, unless you have tals, then its viable but not great) (also various other hybrid builds blow)
Mario (SSBM) (also see, Luigi)
Klobb (Goldeneye)

ETC

Sometimes a Jack of all trades character gets temporarily buffed into OPness because they become viable in a single role while still being mediocre+ at the other role(imagine Kayle with Ryze's AP power, but maintaining the same sustain/supportiness, another example would be making Annie's shield way better, and able to be placed on any team member).
Freeeeeeedom
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
April 07 2012 04:03 GMT
#4298
why is duoqueueing more effective than soloqueueing through low elo?
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
April 07 2012 04:05 GMT
#4299


Varus at PAX, includes skill tooltips.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
April 07 2012 04:10 GMT
#4300
On April 07 2012 13:03 Kenpachi wrote:
why is duoqueueing more effective than soloqueueing through low elo?


The logic behind it is, it's easier to carry 3 people than it is to carry 4 people.

Also, when are the new champions coming out? In how many weeks?
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