EPT[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 179
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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ManyCookies
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Do Malz's Voidlings benefit with built Life Steal? On hit effects? Armour Pen? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 04 2012 00:23 ManyCookies wrote: Alright, I'm convinced. I'm assuming runes are something like AD Reds/Quints, Armour Yellows, AS Blues. Masteries are 21/0/9 or something like 9/12/9? Or do you max CDR in the Utility Tree? Early build includes Tears and Brutalizer somewhere, I'd guess. Boots CDR? How are ganks pre-6 and post? How does he deal with counter-jungling? Do Malz's Voidlings benefit with built Life Steal? On hit effects? Armour Pen? Yesterday I ran 21-9-0, ad reds, armor yellows, mr/lvl blues, armpen quints. I didnt actually find I needed tear. Id try a game without it just to see if you do need it (I did take blues though, but even without blue I found I was still clearing pretty well). I opened cloth 5 to be safe and took some damage, dont know if boots works on him. He actually clears pretty quick so I wouldnt be TOO worried about counterjungling, but I'm not sure how well he handles himself in a 1v1. Needs more testing. Ganks are really good post 6. Basically ww, only with a longer duration and more damage. Voidlings benifit from armor pen, dont think they benifit from on hits or lifesteal. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
Don't know what runes/masteries he went though, and all I remember is that he went wriggles and a couple of dorans. IIRC he had a long sword so I figured he was working on either Phage or Manamune. | ||
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Mogwai
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Bwaaaa
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Lounge
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From my experience they went something like: Manamune -> FH -> Aegis -> BT -> Banshees. I never played as AD but playing against I'd assume you really want CDR so you can keep your voidlings up and on the right target because once malefic visions falls off they just kind of derp around. So I guess build him similar to Urgot? If Riot ever adds the real AD caster item everyone wants I assume it'd be good on him. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On April 04 2012 00:34 Bwaaaa wrote: Lane Noc on wickd's stream right now haha Why is this a haha? Noct's a pretty strong top laner, not sure why no one plays him tbh. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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ManyCookies
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Oh that reminds me, I'm assuming you level R>E>Q>W, start W->E->Q? | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
do you get silence or pool at level 1? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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ManyCookies
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As an aside, a constant amount of Pen will always increase your DPS by the same amount, regardless of your opponent's resistances. If you have 100 armor shred against a 100 armour target, you'll do twice as much damage as if you had none. If you have it against 200 armour, you'll do twice as much damage as if you had none. Just thought that was interesting. | ||
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Bwaaaa
Australia969 Posts
On April 04 2012 00:40 Mogwai wrote: Why is this a haha? Noct's a pretty strong top laner, not sure why no one plays him tbh. He doesn't get played because the jungler can just can camp a perma pushed lane. It is funny because he know he is playing against snoopeh's naut who is a very proficient ganker coupled with shen. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On April 04 2012 01:03 Bwaaaa wrote: He doesn't get played because the jungler can just can camp a perma pushed lane. It is funny because he know he is playing against snoopeh's naut who is a very proficient ganker coupled with shen. If Nautilus is top laning, every single time he activates one of his abilities he pushes the lane. Therefore, Nocturne would be a relatively safe pick against him with minimal autoattacking minion waves. | ||
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necrosed
Brazil885 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On April 04 2012 01:05 Praetorial wrote: If Nautilus is top laning, every single time he activates one of his abilities he pushes the lane. Therefore, Nocturne would be a relatively safe pick against him with minimal autoattacking minion waves. Snoopeh is jungling Naut, he was talking about how Nautilus could gank nocturne easily because he always pushes with his passive. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On April 04 2012 00:05 Alaric wrote: You're annoying Seuss, I've got one unused runepage, and the feeling that I'm going to cede, buy armor blues to complete my collection, and try your way. Those precious runepages. :< My video demonstrating it should be in the Nautilus thread (though I don't get a leash), so you don't have to jump in blindly in any case. Full armor page is also awesome for Malphite and Rammus, and laning against certain annoying champions top. On April 04 2012 00:29 Two_DoWn wrote: Kk just did some more research. Malz has an aa range of 550, which is respectable for ranged damage. His damage gain is actualy better or equal to a lot of ad caries. The issue is that his attack speed gain per level is pretty bad, less than half of other ad carries. So you will need to throw some attack speed in there somewhere. Yesterday I ran 21-9-0, ad reds, armor yellows, mr/lvl blues, armpen quints. I didnt actually find I needed tear. Id try a game without it just to see if you do need it (I did take blues though, but even without blue I found I was still clearing pretty well). I opened cloth 5 to be safe and took some damage, dont know if boots works on him. He actually clears pretty quick so I wouldnt be TOO worried about counterjungling, but I'm not sure how well he handles himself in a 1v1. Needs more testing. Ganks are really good post 6. Basically ww, only with a longer duration and more damage. Voidlings benifit from armor pen, dont think they benifit from on hits or lifesteal. If you're just jungling/casually clearing a lane you're fine without Tear/Manamune/Blue, but when you go into super spam mode to get a ton of voidlings out mana becomes a big issue in my experience. 1v1 you throw E on your opponent and kite backwards while your voidlings chew them up. This works better the quicker your reaction time is to the counter-jungler. If they're already on top of you you're in trouble, especially if it's someone like Lee Sin. Voidlings do not benefit from anything outside of AD and APen, and aren't affected by auras (e.g. Zeke's, Aegis etc.). Buffs like Sivir ult/Sona E work on them. The biggest problem with Voidlings is that once opponents have boots if they run your Voidlings will usually chase after them uselessly. You need slows/CC to really get your damage going, so Phage isn't a bad investment. I think I've managed both Boots and Long Sword on jungle Malzahar the last time he came up in discussion, but it requires a ton of finesse with Voidling management. I'd have to take another look. | ||
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