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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On April 03 2012 19:31 JackDino wrote: I used to run arp reds and just auto them on supports. Stopped doing it because if they turn on you you'll take too much damage while your carry is sitting there like a retard not assisting once they turn. ya this sounded awesome to me and i started doing it as well but then i realize it only works vs retards. armor reds and gold quints are better. apen reds can work on janna because you can shield yourself with bonus ad and force trades. On April 03 2012 19:41 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: How do you guys deal with level two ganks on top or mid? Every time I am on blue side laning something like Olaf vs Irelia, I have a problem with stuff like Lee See ganking with red. Do I just open cloth+pots+ward or? What's the high elo way of dealing with those strong early ganks? give up cs. the three ranged creeps are not worth feeding leesin. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On April 03 2012 19:30 HazMat wrote: Terrible aspd and attack animation. Some jannas do that though bullshit, sorakas attack animation is amazing. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
On April 03 2012 19:41 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: How do you guys deal with level two ganks on top or mid? Every time I am on blue side laning something like Olaf vs Irelia, I have a problem with stuff like Lee See ganking with red. Do I just open cloth+pots+ward or? What's the high elo way of dealing with those strong early ganks? Play passive till you know whats going on. Let the support CV at about 2:20 if you have CV. Or just wait it out till he shows himself somewhere. Dont, ever, overextend, early! If you know lee is bot, play more freely, when you are blind, play as if you can be ganked at any moment. Also save escapes. If you play Renekton, level E at lvl2, save it. Same for kennen and such champs. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On April 03 2012 20:21 ihasaKAROT wrote: Play passive till you know whats going on. Let the support CV at about 2:20 if you have CV. Or just wait it out till he shows himself somewhere. Dont, ever, overextend, early! If you know lee is bot, play more freely, when you are blind, play as if you can be ganked at any moment. Also save escapes. If you play Renekton, level E at lvl2, save it. Same for kennen and such champs. CLG showed that an very good lvl 2 ganker can be shut down with appropriate play in their game vs NeL or XD, can't remember which one. The Koreans played Ali jungle, and he wasn't able to get any ganks off till very late in the game. Purely because of map control (wards & cv), and lanes playing safer than normal. If a very aggressive ganking jungler is walking around for 2 minutes looking for a gank, that's a lot of time you have wasted not farming or doing anything else effective. When Ali got his lvl 3 on Ali Saint already was 5-6 iirc. On April 03 2012 22:05 turdburgler wrote: i dont understand the purpose of saving smite for red. the sooner you use smite the sooner it comes back. assuming you 'know' you arent getting invaded i would say it would be even better to smite the instant blue is pulled so it can come around sooner for red again. On fast junglers with fast first clears (Olaf for example, but also Shyv, Mundo, etc) you can do wolves>blue>wraiths>golems and then your smite will still be on a ~20s cd if you use it on blue. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 03 2012 22:05 turdburgler wrote: i dont understand the purpose of saving smite for red. the sooner you use smite the sooner it comes back. assuming you 'know' you arent getting invaded i would say it would be even better to smite the instant blue is pulled so it can come around sooner for red again. It gives more options. You may lose like 3 seconds, but you gain a bunch of possibilites. You can get a much faster red (and much safer) than you would be able to do otherwise. You also can then go steal the enemy red (depending on who they/you are). No smite on blue into a red smite is actually really good on gakers who need level 3 to gank because it maximizes the ammount of health you have coming out of the blue buff. The issue with it coming up "sooner" for red is that you WILL out jungle smite. It then becomes the question of where do you waste time (because that is what you are doing: wasting time). Do you kill golems or go back to wolves? Either way it delays you far more than saving smite from blue does. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On April 03 2012 22:05 turdburgler wrote: i dont understand the purpose of saving smite for red. the sooner you use smite the sooner it comes back. assuming you 'know' you arent getting invaded i would say it would be even better to smite the instant blue is pulled so it can come around sooner for red again. I remember that Hotshot rage when he got ganked by a lvl 3 double buff rammus as he was still like lvl 1 or something rofl.Rammus got a beast leash on wolves and blue just powerballed to red with smite and went for a gank. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On April 03 2012 22:10 Doctorbeat wrote: CLG showed that an very good lvl 2 ganker can be shut down with appropriate play in their game vs NeL or XD, can't remember which one. The Koreans played Ali jungle, and he wasn't able to get any ganks off till very late in the game. Purely because of map control (wards & cv), and lanes playing safer than normal. If a very aggressive ganking jungler is walking around for 2 minutes looking for a gank, that's a lot of time you have wasted not farming or doing anything else effective. When Ali got his lvl 3 on Ali Saint already was 5-6 iirc. On fast junglers with fast first clears (Olaf for example, but also Shyv, Mundo, etc) you can do wolves>blue>wraiths>golems and then your smite will still be on a ~20s cd if you use it on blue. However on said fast junglers you Wolves->Blue->Wraiths->Wolves->Red Smite comes up literally the second you want to use it. If you start wolves they respawn as you get to them as well. The timings so perfect. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
How should I build jungle ad malz? I went wriggles/wits/phage last game, but I think I want more ad than that. Only ghostblade doesnt work cuz of the whole ranged thing, triforce might be a bit to expensive (and Im not sure how well I could use the phage proc). Any ideas? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On April 03 2012 22:35 Two_DoWn wrote: K guys I need help. I'm stumped. How should I build jungle ad malz? I went wriggles/wits/phage last game, but I think I want more ad than that. Only ghostblade doesnt work cuz of the whole ranged thing, triforce might be a bit to expensive (and Im not sure how well I could use the phage proc). Any ideas? There aren't really a lot of options for AD under 2k gold per item. Cutlass is an ok one I suppose, same goes for Hexdrinker or Manamune. Tiamat also gives 50 AD btw, but I don't know if that works with ad malz. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On April 03 2012 22:35 Two_DoWn wrote: K guys I need help. I'm stumped. How should I build jungle ad malz? I went wriggles/wits/phage last game, but I think I want more ad than that. Only ghostblade doesnt work cuz of the whole ranged thing, triforce might be a bit to expensive (and Im not sure how well I could use the phage proc). Any ideas? This is your next jungle tf/ez isn't it... | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On April 03 2012 22:35 Two_DoWn wrote: K guys I need help. I'm stumped. How should I build jungle ad malz? I went wriggles/wits/phage last game, but I think I want more ad than that. Only ghostblade doesnt work cuz of the whole ranged thing, triforce might be a bit to expensive (and Im not sure how well I could use the phage proc). Any ideas? Cdr/tanky imo, minions kill errything. I've been wanting to do it, just not sure how to gank. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 03 2012 22:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: This is your next jungle tf/ez isn't it... Only this actually jungles fast. And the ganks are really good. Who needs ap when your w still hits like a truck. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On April 03 2012 22:53 Two_DoWn wrote: Only this actually jungles fast. And the ganks are really good. Who needs ap when your w still hits like a truck. In the middle of the game, suddenly do an item switch to AP. It's like the TvZ Bio-Mech switch in Brood War, where you hit a timing where everyone is Or just go BT because your Voidlings have 1.0 AD ratio and you can charge up stacks fast on creep waves with E, idk. And lots of CDR for voidling spam, idk. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
Anyway I have a question of my own. I want to pick up Nautilus for my new jungler, really bored of jungle WW/Shyvana/Urdyr so I want to try him. From what I see hes quite good at gank. How is his clearing speed and what talent/runes should I go with him. | ||
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