EPTFlat reduction is calculated first and so you'll almost never hit anything below 0. The only time I can think of it really mattering is amumu's MR reduction letting you smite at bonus health. I'm sure there are others but it's such an afterthought.
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
Flat reduction is calculated first and so you'll almost never hit anything below 0. The only time I can think of it really mattering is amumu's MR reduction letting you smite at bonus health. I'm sure there are others but it's such an afterthought. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 04 2012 03:27 Sandster wrote: Hah that'd be op as hell, just stack penetration runes all day. Flat reduction is calculated first and so you'll almost never hit anything below 0. The only time I can think of it really mattering is amumu's MR reduction letting you smite at bonus health. I'm sure there are others but it's such an afterthought. There are plenty of situations where you'd have enough flat reduction effects in play to put people on -armor. Corki+Taric lanes, for example. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
You gotta be playing some seriously awful players though to reduce their armor below 0. They have to stand in the gatling gun and not run armor runes at all...which does happen at a certain level of play. And it's hilarious when it happens. Although a Rammus ganking a Corki/Taric lane sounds brutal. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 04 2012 03:36 Sandster wrote: Unfortunately Wukong won't do anything because % reduction is calculated after flat reduction...but add Karthus or Kog and you've got it. Or Eve, lol. You gotta be playing some seriously awful players though to reduce their armor below 0. They have to stand in the gatling gun and not run armor runes at all...which does happen at a certain level of play. And it's hilarious when it happens. Although a Rammus ganking a Corki/Taric lane sounds brutal. % Reduc -> flat Reduc -> flat Pene -> % Pene Also add Exhaust. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On April 04 2012 03:52 spinesheath wrote: % Reduc -> flat Reduc -> flat Pene -> % Pene Also add Exhaust. no flat reduc>%reduc lol. When attacking, armor penetration and armor reduction are considered on the target champion in the following order: Flat armor reduction Percentage armor reduction Flat armor penetration Percentage armor penetration | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Watching five players on ts/vent/skype playing individually and communicating only to bitch at teammates disappointed me. Now a question. I'm new to LoL and about to hit level 30. I played mostly blind pick with friends leveling up the account. At 30, I would like to start playing ranked games eventually. I do not have AP runes, nor any specialized runes for support. Do I need to know how to play every role? Should I play more normal draft? With only two rune pages, would I run an ad page for support? Being a noob in team games so sad  *edit - Oh yeah, major props to the TL LoL community. I've lurked this subforum for a month and TL continues to impress with reasonable discussion. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
It's pretty clear from both that Flat Reduction is coming first. I'm wondering if/when this was changed, because months ago I would have sworn it was the other way around. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Ap runes dont really matter either. Its actually fairly common for mids to run mr blues instead of ap. Hell, some people even avoid running mr reds in favor of more mr. Quints again are flexible. Pretty much whatever you have works. That being said, you probably should work towards mpen reds and ap quints just to complete up a standard page. Ideally you should be able to run at least one character for each role, and be comfortable enough with that character to carry. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 04 2012 04:18 Seuss wrote: It's pretty clear from both that Flat Reduction is coming first. I'm wondering if/when this was changed, because months ago I would have sworn it was the other way around. Are you sure it was changed at some point? I could have sworn that flat always came first for both penetration and reduction, going all the way back to when I first started playing and was learning about old last whisper. The other way around would be kind of rediculous. It would be way to easy to cut through armor if you sliced off % first. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 04 2012 04:32 arb wrote: real men run gp10 runes on their supports. false. real men pick zilean and run full ap. I was playing with shake and beat our solo mid ap carry to deathcap and had more ap at all points in the game. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On April 04 2012 03:27 Sandster wrote: Hah that'd be op as hell, just stack penetration runes all day. Flat reduction is calculated first and so you'll almost never hit anything below 0. The only time I can think of it really mattering is amumu's MR reduction letting you smite at bonus health. I'm sure there are others but it's such an afterthought. A correction, smite does true damage so MR/Armor reduction does nothing to improve smite damage. The only way to increase smite damage afaik is via Shaco's passive. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
V1.0.0.111: Now deals True Damage instead of magic damage. Wow they changed that a while ago (Feb 2011). I quit for almost a year around that period so that explains why I never heard about this. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On April 04 2012 04:13 JonnyLaw wrote: Listening to CLG eu scrim (might be some tourney) vs MTW gives me more faith in the LoL community. Previously, I watched CLG NA and TSM a few times. The coordination, patience and communication taking advantage of the fact that this is in fact a team game. Watching five players on ts/vent/skype playing individually and communicating only to bitch at teammates disappointed me. Now a question. I'm new to LoL and about to hit level 30. I played mostly blind pick with friends leveling up the account. At 30, I would like to start playing ranked games eventually. I do not have AP runes, nor any specialized runes for support. Do I need to know how to play every role? Should I play more normal draft? With only two rune pages, would I run an ad page for support? Being a noob in team games so sad The "right" runes are not actually all that important, if you have a generic defensive runepage, you can just substitute that for any role where no other page you have makes sense. For example, I have no special page for top, because I rarely play top. I just pick some page with a bunch of armor (maybe MR, depends) and MS quints. For support, I'd presonally say defensive runes are generally better than AD carry runes, but of course it depends on the support, the enemy lane, and how your runepages actually look like, which I don't know, obviously. Knowing every role is a different story though. You'll definetly need to play support when you start ranked. I promise. Whenever you're last pick you'll be support (until waaaay later up the ELO brackets). And there's no way around being lastpick if you just started ranked. Jungling is also a role that you might get stuck with if you're in the last 2 in pickorder, but it's far less common you really have to jungle if you just write "I can't jungle" (actually write it like that if you don't want to, if you just say you don't WANT to jungle, noody cares...) The "big 3" of solo-queue - Top, Mid and AD carry - you usually don't need to know all of those roles. As I already said, I don't play top much personally. And in all the games so far, I never really needed to go top. If you're on the top in the picks, you can just call your position, and if your at the bottom, you're gonna mostly be support and jungler. So support, jungler and at least one of those three you should be able to play for ranked, I'd say. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On April 04 2012 03:36 Sandster wrote: Unfortunately Wukong won't do anything because % reduction is calculated after flat reduction...but add Karthus or Kog and you've got it. Or Eve, lol. You gotta be playing some seriously awful players though to reduce their armor below 0. They have to stand in the gatling gun and not run armor runes at all...which does happen at a certain level of play. And it's hilarious when it happens. Although a Rammus ganking a Corki/Taric lane sounds brutal. except a corki taric rammus gank is like 50% magic dmg so its not even that big a deal ;p | ||
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