EPTEdit: I miss my Dragoon. Also I made a 1k post blog thing (see sig).
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Edit: I miss my Dragoon. Also I made a 1k post blog thing (see sig). | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On April 03 2012 07:38 Seuss wrote: Cass was legitimately bad when she was released. She's one of the few champions I remember having trouble rolling the old, mentally deficient bots with. Edit: I miss my Dragoon. Also I made a 1k post blog thing (see sig). Ehhh I bought her on release and instantly fell in love with her. She was good, maybe slightly weak on release, and her cast animation buffs definitely helped fix that. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On April 03 2012 07:38 Seuss wrote: Cass was legitimately bad when she was released. She's one of the few champions I remember having trouble rolling the old, mentally deficient bots with. . God I hope that's some sort of exaggeration.. Those bots should never even get near being difficult to roll through with any champion. | ||
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
edit: cassiOPea is way too powerfull imo; cannot trade with her ever; banned for life p.s: i don't main mid, but cass wrecked me on orianna. | ||
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gbooo
39 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On April 03 2012 07:42 ketchup wrote: God I hope that's some sort of exaggeration.. Those bots should never even get near being difficult to roll through with any champion. Bear in mind she was released almost a year and a half ago. Back then I was many, many times more terrible at this game than I am now. That skill disparity likely exaggerates her weaknesses somewhat. | ||
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
Did anyone feel like in the Luna vs AL games Maluno was really off ? He used flash to get away from fights but ended up dieing for a couple of extra autoattacks or just some random DoT. I mean as a 1800 rated I just let myself die if I am not very certain I can disengage a fight w/o wasting flash. I was actually watching the game via Malunoo's stream and Sleper was raging at Xinec so hard and therefore Malunoo tried to calm them down and kept messing up | ||
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Craton
United States17242 Posts
Bots aren't a challenge on any champion. I hard random every time I do it and even on supports and champs like Amumu or Rammus I have no trouble winning. On an actual carry it's a joke; you can go 30-0 in 20 minutes easily. The changes to Cass since release are extremely minimal and would've had no affect on the ability to beat bots (.1 ratio increase on E and 50 damage increase on ult is all the damage buffs she has had ever and Q/E have both been nerfed). | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Edit: You corrected yourself before I could correct you, curses! I think it was the usability as much as anything else. Cass E and Ult before their mechanics were changed were significantly less user-friendly. But don't underestimate the power of .1 ratio on a ability you can spam once a second. | ||
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courtpanda
866 Posts
(note: AD counts only the Atma's bonus from the item, not from the champion themself. i'm comparing the two items, when theyre built on the same champion, they would both get the same AD bonus) Builds: Atmogs: 920 (1270) health, 18.4 (25.4) AD, 5355 gold, Bonuses: 30 (40) HP5. (items in parentheses are at full stacks) Fratmas: 700 health, 34 AD, 5605 gold, Bonuses: 40% slow for 2.5 seconds item gold efficiencies 2.58 gold/health (2.58 gold can buy you 1 hp, based on giant's belt) 36.67 gold/AD (36.67 gold can buy you 1 point of AD, based on BF sword) 29 gold/HP5 (29 gold can buy you 1 HP5, based on regrowth pendant) So subtracting the two values from the items, you get 220 (570) health, -15.6 (-8.6) AD, 30 (40) HP5, -250 gold and then using the gold efficiencies 567.6 (1470) gold [health], -572 (-315.3) gold [AD], 870 (1160) gold [HP5] At 0 stacks: Atmogs is worth 865.6 gold more, for 250 gold less. The Frozen Mallet slow is worth 615.6 gold At full stacks: Atmogs is worth 2315 gold more, for 250 gold less. The Frozen Mallet slow is worth 2065 gold when not counting the HP5 (its generally pretty irrelevant) At 0 stacks: Atmogs is worth -4.4 gold more, for 250 gold less. The Frozen Mallet slow is worth 245.6 gold At full stacks: Atmogs is worth 1155 gold more, for 250 gold less. The Frozen Mallet slow is worth 905 gold so with all the theorycrafting done, when is it better to get Fratmas or Atmogs? there are some champions where Warmogs is almost a requirement (Mundo), but for most bruisers (lee sin, shyvana, trundle, riven etc.), they get one or the other. for those champions, which one is better? | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
Fratma's on Lee Sin because it's just better for him in general. Shyvana can get either one, depends on the game. Trundle gets Atmog's because he already has a strong slow and chasing ability, and doesn't need the AA slow. Riven, like shyvana, depends on the situation, but having the slow to keep them in combo range favors Fratma's. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
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Craton
United States17242 Posts
I tend away from Warmogs lately just because so many games are decided before the time when you'd finally get an Atmogs built up. You can build phage > defensive item(s) > atma's much more easily than you can do with warmogs due to just how long you damage would be delayed. I'd rather have a strong midgame of e.g. phage randuin's atma's mallet (which progresses pretty evenly as the game goes) compared to warmogs into atma's which has two large power jumps (and gaps prior to them). | ||
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DURRHURRDERP
Canada929 Posts
ya by the time you get atmas the game is basically decided, plus getting FH/randuins as your armor component does a lot more to help ur team in fights whereas atmas adds basically nothing (if you go on some squishy without being kited they're dead in 1 combo anyway) | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On April 03 2012 09:12 phyvo wrote: For what it's worth I think Malphite sucks vs bots. Maybe I should stop trying to go glass cannon AD with him but who the heck wants to build tank vs bots? Sword of the Occult - Trinity Force - Atma's - PD Carry botgames as AD-everything. Always works. | ||
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Craton
United States17242 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On April 03 2012 07:42 ketchup wrote: God I hope that's some sort of exaggeration.. Those bots should never even get near being difficult to roll through with any champion. I have played roughly 80 co-op vs AI with friends. Ranging from friends who are new to the game and so they don't wanna "play against real people" to my friends who are bad and feel they need a few co-op vs AI games to learn a new character. I have only lost one co-op vs AI ever. It was because I played 0 CS Soraka and just built support items. In that game we had two of my friends who were pretty new to the game and then two randoms who were just straight up awful. All of them had negative scores, I had the most kills on the team but for some stupid reason kept building shit like Shurelya's and Soulshroud. Really hard to carry a game even against bots when you have no damage and virtually no tankiness. But still, that remains the only co-op vs AI I've ever lost. I've played shit like Sona or Taric in co-op vs AI, gotten farm, built damage items, and still can get like triple and quadra kills. It's just stupid easy. | ||
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Juddas
768 Posts
Am I completely wrong about this? I don't own him (yet) so this is all theorycrafting, but because of his crazy blink mobility and his super high ratios on his W and R, I think he would just be better as a sort of pokey champ that likes to stay in the back as long as possible like Kog. And then because he can actually do some damage with his ult he can clean up after teamfights like no other. So for builds I would assume something like Sheen into some AP item like maybe RoA or Crystal, then Deathcap, then Lich Bane and then whatever fits in well. So thoughts on this? And also how would this compare to the standard Lich Bane TF? | ||
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Craton
United States17242 Posts
Lich without AP items is garbage. | ||
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