EPTtwitch + taric both with boots of mobility + tele on morgana with urgot and jarvan cc and dmg... no one is safe.
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Mios
United States686 Posts
twitch + taric both with boots of mobility + tele on morgana with urgot and jarvan cc and dmg... no one is safe. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
So if you have an Ashe with 2.5 attack speed: FH: 2.5 * 0.8 = 2 Randuin's (Active Ability): 2.5 * .65 = 1.625 Randuins (Passive Proc): 2.5 - .658 * .35 = 2.2697 Basically FH is stronger for the purposes of slowing the attack speed of enemies than Randuin's, whereas Randuin's is better if you're trying to avoid being kited since both the passive and the active had movement speed slows in addition to attack speed slows. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Mios
United States686 Posts
 maybe add nunu snowball for teh lulz. cant think of any other attack speed slows atm. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:36 Mios wrote: plz do the math on all 3 stacked at the same time, then with all 3 + malph e. im lazy but curious. maybe add nunu snowball for teh lulz. cant think of any other attack speed slows atm. ezreal W, nasus wither... there's a cap on how low your attack speed can go as I recall though. EDIT: No that's just move speed isn't it? | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:36 Mios wrote: plz do the math on all 3 stacked at the same time, then with all 3 + malph e. im lazy but curious. maybe add nunu snowball for teh lulz. cant think of any other attack speed slows atm. Nasus. Although Nasus by himself can basically keep a one person under permanent randuins+ slow. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Interesting, Kerp jungles and frogurt goes mid on TF, maybe they switched because one of them can't play the opposite champion too well | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
No minimum. The 5 strongest hero debuffs are Wither (95%) Cripple (60%) Ground Slam (50%) Barrel Roll (40%) Essence Flux (40%... more than I thought. Hmm.) Plus Dragon (20%) Frozen Heart (20%) Randuin's Active (35%) So at 2.5 attack speed... 2.5 * 0.05 * 0.4 * 0.5 * 0.6 * 0.6 * 0.8 * 0.8 * 0.65 = 0.003744 attacks per second, or one attack every 267 seconds, which is one attack every 4 and a half minutes. I don't know how to add randuins active into that. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:43 Dandel Ion wrote: Frogurt was the jungler the last games, no? Interesting, Kerp jungles and frogurt goes mid on TF, maybe they switched because one of them can't play the opposite champion too well yep, prolly. Luna with some very unconventional champions/playstyle. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:35 Slayer91 wrote: How often do enemies have 2.5 AS? Not often, but in the theoretical case Ashe would need to have 1.1515 attack speed in order for FH and the Randuin's passive proc to be equal. By the time you can reasonably finish either item Ashe (or any other carry) should be well past that point. On April 03 2012 06:36 Mios wrote: plz do the math on all 3 stacked at the same time, then with all 3 + malph e. im lazy but curious. maybe add nunu snowball for teh lulz. cant think of any other attack speed slows atm. The math is very similar to APen/MPen math. (Current Attack Speed - Base Attack Speed * .35) * Multiplier 1 * Multiplier 2 * Multiplier 3 ... = Final Attack Speed In Malphite's case: (2.5 - .658 * .35) * .8 * .65 * .5 = .59 Attack Speed Adding Nunu (.4) brings it down to .236 Attack Speed. On April 03 2012 06:39 UniversalSnip wrote: ezreal W, nasus wither... there's a cap on how low your attack speed can go as I recall though. EDIT: No that's just move speed isn't it? It's not in the wiki, but minimum attack speed is 0.2. It's easily testable with Nasus against any champion as a 95% slow will drop attack speed below that point even if you have 2.5s attack speed. On April 03 2012 06:54 Alaric wrote: Isn't Randuin's active better than FH for slowing the AS of enemies from your calculations, Seuss? Or did you not take it into account because it's an active? I didn't take it into account because it's temporary, whereas FH is active as long as you're alive. 3-5 seconds after the Randuin's active is over the cumulative effect of FH surpasses it. Edit: 999 posts. Better make a blog. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:51 Woony wrote: yep, prolly. Luna with some very unconventional champions/playstyle. Unconventional playstyle = 20 towerdives They are detroying Urgot botlane so hard it's not even funny anymore | ||
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daSilvaz
809 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:05 Sandster wrote: iirc, cassio was the "she's really strong in lane but nothing else" (the LB argument). Then people realized that winning lanes = winning games. Somewhere along the way people realized she has insane late game damage and an ult that single handedly wins games, too. I thought she was just considered a shitty hero till Ocelote showed everyone how strong she really is | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
Twin Fang cast animation sped up Petrifying Gaze Cast animation sped up Cast range increased to 850 from 700 (effect now roughly matches the particle) Damage increased to 200/325/450 from 150/275/400 Cooldown reduction with rank is now reflected in the levelup tooltip More accurately targets enemies that move in/out of the area during the cast time v1.0.0.110 - 2011-02-01 Twin Fang range increased to 700 from 675 v1.0.0.108 - 2011-01-03 Base movement speed increased to 310 from 305 Noxius Blast movement speed buff increased to 3 seconds from 2 Twin Fang ability power ratio increased to .55 from .45 Petrifying Gaze slow increased to 60% at all levels from 40/50/60% Petrifying Gaze cooldown changed to 130/120/110 seconds from 120 at all levels | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:49 UniversalSnip wrote: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_speed No minimum. The 5 strongest hero debuffs are Wither (95%) Cripple (60%) Ground Slam (50%) Barrel Roll (40%) Essence Flux (40%... more than I thought. Hmm.) Plus Dragon (20%) Frozen Heart (20%) Randuin's Active (35%) So at 2.5 attack speed... 2.5 * 0.05 * 0.4 * 0.5 * 0.6 * 0.6 * 0.8 * 0.8 * 0.65 = 0.003744 attacks per second, or one attack every 267 seconds, which is one attack every 4 and a half minutes. I don't know how to add randuins active into that. the lowest AS can get is .2 ^corrected lowest AS possible | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On April 03 2012 07:01 UniversalSnip wrote: v1.0.0.115 - 2011-04-11 Twin Fang cast animation sped up Petrifying Gaze Cast animation sped up Cast range increased to 850 from 700 (effect now roughly matches the particle) Damage increased to 200/325/450 from 150/275/400 Cooldown reduction with rank is now reflected in the levelup tooltip More accurately targets enemies that move in/out of the area during the cast time v1.0.0.110 - 2011-02-01 Twin Fang range increased to 700 from 675 v1.0.0.108 - 2011-01-03 Base movement speed increased to 310 from 305 Noxius Blast movement speed buff increased to 3 seconds from 2 Twin Fang ability power ratio increased to .55 from .45 Petrifying Gaze slow increased to 60% at all levels from 40/50/60% Petrifying Gaze cooldown changed to 130/120/110 seconds from 120 at all levels the twin-fang cast animation was a big deal, i remember a lot of ppl complaining about how the cd negation on twin fang didn't even really work because it took so damn long for the fang to travel. | ||
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fantasticoranges
1327 Posts
Cass got buffed like 5 patches in a row or something like that, just about everyone knew she was strong, just considering how many skillshots / skillshot dependent spells she had people had to learn how to play her. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:59 arb wrote: I thought she was just considered a shitty hero till Ocelote showed everyone how strong she really is Sydtko was one of the first Cass players that was streaming. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Like the best thing you can say about him is that he is at least better than grackis. I'd probably take Scyx17 over him though. | ||
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