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Ways to acquire a blue buff as an AP carry when playing with SaintVicious:
- kill enemy mid when he has his own bluebuff
- nothing else
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Or counter jungle your own blue since he doesn't keep timers.
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On April 03 2012 04:13 Erasme wrote:
I don't understand why one whould smartcast.
Play ryze for one game and you'll see why. Any need to quickly cast spells in succession demands smartcasting.
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On April 01 2012 21:44 Kaniol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 21:38 JackDino wrote:On April 01 2012 21:36 iCanada wrote:On April 01 2012 21:11 JackDino wrote:On April 01 2012 21:11 Slayer91 wrote:On April 01 2012 21:09 emucxg wrote:
wait, is riven a girl? I thought the boobs were always a give away. Plenty of men that have the same boobs. Doesn't help that everyone calls every female champ in this game a he. Philo chalice really nice thnx for advice. Who? Taric doesn't count... Gragas for one. Why doesn't bunny riven slap people with a carrot. OMG bunny gragas would be awesome skin!
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1570115
It's amazing the crap you find when lurking around Reddit LoL sub...
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Wukong mirrors are dumb. Also, cloth+5 > doran blade if he doesn't know what he's doing.
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On April 03 2012 04:38 Kaniol wrote:Ways to acquire a blue buff as an AP carry when playing with SaintVicious: - kill enemy mid when he has his own bluebuff - nothing else
Some mids suck balls with Blue buff.
Why give it away when he jst gonna die? Why give him blue buff just so he can spam skills to farm instead of using AA and getting it all anyway?
Unless your mid gonna exert some map control/pressure with blue often times it better to just use it as a jungler. That being said, most mids don't understand this, and you can lose games solely on mids being pissed they didn't get blue. Guaranteed if a jungl;er has blue he gonna farm way faster and be able to gank each lane more frequently.
Blue allows a jungler to farm hard AND exert a lot of pressure all over the place. As much as mids can use it more effectively, often times they don't.
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On April 03 2012 04:37 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 01:56 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 03 2012 00:43 TheYango wrote:On April 03 2012 00:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
Jungle doesnt really want it most of the time because there are better buy options for one of the nosr gold starved roles. You say this all the time, but I honestly think that Aegis is a great item for a gold-starved role, because even just the self-stat efficiency is really good. You're basically not paying anything in terms of gold-value for the aura because Aegis is self-stat efficient. It's only drawback is that as a 2k gold item, it's not slot-efficient, but the gold-starved nature of junglers means that slot-efficiency doesn't even come into play until later in the game, if at all. I dont think aegis is bad. I just think other stuff is better. On offensive types, wriggles, wits, and phage are all mulipurpose items that fit my role better than aegis does. Even Hog fits better IMO. On support types, you are looking at hog+philo core, which transitions so damn well into a fast shurelias and frozen heart to completely shut down the enemy ad carry before they even get started on their build. I mean, aegis works on some jungles in some roles. I just dont think that it is ever a must buy in the same way that shurelias, wits, wriggles, randis, and other items are. Especially when you consider that IF shurelias is such a great item that supports should always rush that instead of aegis, why not get it on the jungle who can get it even faster and leave the aegis to the support? But I will admit I am biased against aegis because I find the entire concept of auras to be a really shitty game mechanic in terms of both skills and items. ya support get dat frozen heart before the enemy ad carry can even start his build. A true baller has shurelya's too
Support jungles. Like maokai.
Its perfectly reasonable to have a frozen heart or shurelias by the time the AD gets their bf item with good farm, and definitly by the time they get bf item+zeal.
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Russian Federation798 Posts
Looks like Renekton ftm is coming...
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On April 03 2012 04:58 fishinguy wrote:
Looks like Renekton ftm is coming...
I think it is safe to say that this is wickeds fault.
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On April 03 2012 04:57 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:38 Kaniol wrote:Ways to acquire a blue buff as an AP carry when playing with SaintVicious: - kill enemy mid when he has his own bluebuff - nothing else Some mids suck balls with Blue buff. Why give it away when he jst gonna die? Why give him blue buff just so he can spam skills to farm instead of using AA and getting it all anyway? Unless your mid gonna exert some map control/pressure with blue often times it better to just use it as a jungler. That being said, most mids don't understand this, and you can lose games solely on mids being pissed they didn't get blue. Guaranteed if a jungl;er has blue he gonna farm way faster and be able to gank each lane more frequently. Blue allows a jungler to farm hard AND exert a lot of pressure all over the place. As much as mids can use it more effectively, often times they don't.
I thought that the "" would hint everyone that i was joking, guess you are an exception.
(Also, he was playing with jiji and jiji simply took 2 blues off the enemy mid, what my joke was referring to)
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The big thing with renek was just people realizing his late game doesnt suck nearly as bad as people think it does. Everyone knew his early game was great. His late game is VERY underrated, simply because most people think he is dead weight.
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On April 03 2012 05:02 Two_DoWn wrote:
The big thing with renek was just people realizing his late game doesnt suck nearly as bad as people think it does. Everyone knew his early game was great. His late game is VERY underrated, simply because most people think he is dead weight.
I still haven't seen a good Late game play with him outside of a few elite teams...
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OddOne playing ad carry, still buys more wards than the rest of the team combined o_o
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On April 03 2012 05:02 Kaniol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:57 iCanada wrote:On April 03 2012 04:38 Kaniol wrote:Ways to acquire a blue buff as an AP carry when playing with SaintVicious: - kill enemy mid when he has his own bluebuff - nothing else Some mids suck balls with Blue buff. Why give it away when he jst gonna die? Why give him blue buff just so he can spam skills to farm instead of using AA and getting it all anyway? Unless your mid gonna exert some map control/pressure with blue often times it better to just use it as a jungler. That being said, most mids don't understand this, and you can lose games solely on mids being pissed they didn't get blue. Guaranteed if a jungl;er has blue he gonna farm way faster and be able to gank each lane more frequently. Blue allows a jungler to farm hard AND exert a lot of pressure all over the place. As much as mids can use it more effectively, often times they don't. I thought that the " " would hint everyone that i was joking, guess you are an exception. (Also, he was playing with jiji and jiji simply took 2 blues off the enemy mid, what my joke was referring to)
Oh I know, I just wanted to clear this up so people who don't get confused... it not necessarily bad to not give mid blue. Didn't mean to sound like I was criticizing you or anything.
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On April 03 2012 04:58 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:37 UniversalSnip wrote:On April 03 2012 01:56 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 03 2012 00:43 TheYango wrote:On April 03 2012 00:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
Jungle doesnt really want it most of the time because there are better buy options for one of the nosr gold starved roles. You say this all the time, but I honestly think that Aegis is a great item for a gold-starved role, because even just the self-stat efficiency is really good. You're basically not paying anything in terms of gold-value for the aura because Aegis is self-stat efficient. It's only drawback is that as a 2k gold item, it's not slot-efficient, but the gold-starved nature of junglers means that slot-efficiency doesn't even come into play until later in the game, if at all. I dont think aegis is bad. I just think other stuff is better. On offensive types, wriggles, wits, and phage are all mulipurpose items that fit my role better than aegis does. Even Hog fits better IMO. On support types, you are looking at hog+philo core, which transitions so damn well into a fast shurelias and frozen heart to completely shut down the enemy ad carry before they even get started on their build. I mean, aegis works on some jungles in some roles. I just dont think that it is ever a must buy in the same way that shurelias, wits, wriggles, randis, and other items are. Especially when you consider that IF shurelias is such a great item that supports should always rush that instead of aegis, why not get it on the jungle who can get it even faster and leave the aegis to the support? But I will admit I am biased against aegis because I find the entire concept of auras to be a really shitty game mechanic in terms of both skills and items. ya support get dat frozen heart before the enemy ad carry can even start his build. A true baller has shurelya's too Support jungles. Like maokai. Its perfectly reasonable to have a frozen heart or shurelias by the time the AD gets their bf item with good farm, and definitly by the time they get bf item+zeal.
So you're fine with Frozen Heart, but Aegis is a stupid item because auras are bad?
And for the 1086th time: Aegis is OP, buy it.
FH is an aura item too, therefor also OP. Buy it afterwards.
AURAS ARE OP YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM. BUY THEM ALL
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Yeah Renekton FOTM will 100% be Wickds fault lol.
I guess his plan is to start nerfing all bruisers till he thinks Irellia is viable again :D
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On April 03 2012 04:53 lurked wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 21:44 Kaniol wrote:On April 01 2012 21:38 JackDino wrote:On April 01 2012 21:36 iCanada wrote:On April 01 2012 21:11 JackDino wrote:On April 01 2012 21:11 Slayer91 wrote:On April 01 2012 21:09 emucxg wrote:
wait, is riven a girl? I thought the boobs were always a give away. Plenty of men that have the same boobs. Doesn't help that everyone calls every female champ in this game a he. Philo chalice really nice thnx for advice. Who? Taric doesn't count... Gragas for one. Why doesn't bunny riven slap people with a carrot. OMG bunny gragas would be awesome skin! http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1570115It's amazing the crap you find when lurking around Reddit LoL sub...
Yeah, like saint saying he doesn't want to be a progamer forever and all of sudden a couple of posts on reddit yelling out saint is quitting clg.
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On April 03 2012 05:07 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:58 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 03 2012 04:37 UniversalSnip wrote:On April 03 2012 01:56 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 03 2012 00:43 TheYango wrote:On April 03 2012 00:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
Jungle doesnt really want it most of the time because there are better buy options for one of the nosr gold starved roles. You say this all the time, but I honestly think that Aegis is a great item for a gold-starved role, because even just the self-stat efficiency is really good. You're basically not paying anything in terms of gold-value for the aura because Aegis is self-stat efficient. It's only drawback is that as a 2k gold item, it's not slot-efficient, but the gold-starved nature of junglers means that slot-efficiency doesn't even come into play until later in the game, if at all. I dont think aegis is bad. I just think other stuff is better. On offensive types, wriggles, wits, and phage are all mulipurpose items that fit my role better than aegis does. Even Hog fits better IMO. On support types, you are looking at hog+philo core, which transitions so damn well into a fast shurelias and frozen heart to completely shut down the enemy ad carry before they even get started on their build. I mean, aegis works on some jungles in some roles. I just dont think that it is ever a must buy in the same way that shurelias, wits, wriggles, randis, and other items are. Especially when you consider that IF shurelias is such a great item that supports should always rush that instead of aegis, why not get it on the jungle who can get it even faster and leave the aegis to the support? But I will admit I am biased against aegis because I find the entire concept of auras to be a really shitty game mechanic in terms of both skills and items. ya support get dat frozen heart before the enemy ad carry can even start his build. A true baller has shurelya's too Support jungles. Like maokai. Its perfectly reasonable to have a frozen heart or shurelias by the time the AD gets their bf item with good farm, and definitly by the time they get bf item+zeal. So you're fine with Frozen Heart, but Aegis is a stupid item because auras are bad? And for the 1086th time: Aegis is OP, buy it. FH is an aura item too, therefor also OP. Buy it afterwards. AURAS ARE OP YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM. BUY THEM ALL
If you can actually afford a frozen heart on a support, a randuins is way better to protect your carry.
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On April 03 2012 05:07 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:58 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 03 2012 04:37 UniversalSnip wrote:On April 03 2012 01:56 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 03 2012 00:43 TheYango wrote:On April 03 2012 00:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
Jungle doesnt really want it most of the time because there are better buy options for one of the nosr gold starved roles. You say this all the time, but I honestly think that Aegis is a great item for a gold-starved role, because even just the self-stat efficiency is really good. You're basically not paying anything in terms of gold-value for the aura because Aegis is self-stat efficient. It's only drawback is that as a 2k gold item, it's not slot-efficient, but the gold-starved nature of junglers means that slot-efficiency doesn't even come into play until later in the game, if at all. I dont think aegis is bad. I just think other stuff is better. On offensive types, wriggles, wits, and phage are all mulipurpose items that fit my role better than aegis does. Even Hog fits better IMO. On support types, you are looking at hog+philo core, which transitions so damn well into a fast shurelias and frozen heart to completely shut down the enemy ad carry before they even get started on their build. I mean, aegis works on some jungles in some roles. I just dont think that it is ever a must buy in the same way that shurelias, wits, wriggles, randis, and other items are. Especially when you consider that IF shurelias is such a great item that supports should always rush that instead of aegis, why not get it on the jungle who can get it even faster and leave the aegis to the support? But I will admit I am biased against aegis because I find the entire concept of auras to be a really shitty game mechanic in terms of both skills and items. ya support get dat frozen heart before the enemy ad carry can even start his build. A true baller has shurelya's too Support jungles. Like maokai. Its perfectly reasonable to have a frozen heart or shurelias by the time the AD gets their bf item with good farm, and definitly by the time they get bf item+zeal. So you're fine with Frozen Heart, but Aegis is a stupid item because auras are bad? And for the 1086th time: Aegis is OP, buy it. FH is an aura item too, therefor also OP. Buy it afterwards. AURAS ARE OP YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM. BUY THEM ALL
Yeah, I'm not sure how you can consider an aura that's worth -20% autoattack damage dealt to your team to be better than an aura that's going to be around -10% to -20% of ALL damage when you get it.
The FHeart aura only gets really good when LW de-values armor, or when you already have a lot of armor. At low early-midgame armor values, FHeart's -20% AS isn't better than Aegis aura for team survivability.
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On April 03 2012 05:07 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:58 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 03 2012 04:37 UniversalSnip wrote:On April 03 2012 01:56 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 03 2012 00:43 TheYango wrote:On April 03 2012 00:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
Jungle doesnt really want it most of the time because there are better buy options for one of the nosr gold starved roles. You say this all the time, but I honestly think that Aegis is a great item for a gold-starved role, because even just the self-stat efficiency is really good. You're basically not paying anything in terms of gold-value for the aura because Aegis is self-stat efficient. It's only drawback is that as a 2k gold item, it's not slot-efficient, but the gold-starved nature of junglers means that slot-efficiency doesn't even come into play until later in the game, if at all. I dont think aegis is bad. I just think other stuff is better. On offensive types, wriggles, wits, and phage are all mulipurpose items that fit my role better than aegis does. Even Hog fits better IMO. On support types, you are looking at hog+philo core, which transitions so damn well into a fast shurelias and frozen heart to completely shut down the enemy ad carry before they even get started on their build. I mean, aegis works on some jungles in some roles. I just dont think that it is ever a must buy in the same way that shurelias, wits, wriggles, randis, and other items are. Especially when you consider that IF shurelias is such a great item that supports should always rush that instead of aegis, why not get it on the jungle who can get it even faster and leave the aegis to the support? But I will admit I am biased against aegis because I find the entire concept of auras to be a really shitty game mechanic in terms of both skills and items. ya support get dat frozen heart before the enemy ad carry can even start his build. A true baller has shurelya's too Support jungles. Like maokai. Its perfectly reasonable to have a frozen heart or shurelias by the time the AD gets their bf item with good farm, and definitly by the time they get bf item+zeal. So you're fine with Frozen Heart, but Aegis is a stupid item because auras are bad? And for the 1086th time: Aegis is OP, buy it. FH is an aura item too, therefor also OP. Buy it afterwards. AURAS ARE OP YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM. BUY THEM ALL
FH is VERY different from Aegis. You cant compare them 1:1 just because they both have auras. Thats like saying Exe calling is the same as a wriggles because they both have lifesteal.
And I didnt say Aegis was bad. I said severall times it was good. I just would rather have a FH. Or a Shurelias. Or a Wits End. Or a FM. Or any other item that my role could use. That isnt to say that one should NEVER get aegis, because realistically everyone can and it is never a bad move to do so. The problem that I have is that most of the time jungles get to be MORE effective by buying items that arent aegis. Shyvana is better with wriggles phage wits than with aegis. Maokai is better with shurelias hog FH than with aegis. Does aegis work in those builds? Sure. But I would argue that individually the champ is better off without it than with it. It just becomes a question of wether or not you want to sacrifice a little bit of their power in order to make the rest of the team better, which most of the time I dont think is a good play. But sometimes it is. Its just game dependent.
And eventually you MIGHT start to actually read my posts before spouting complete bullshit just because you feel the need to attack me personally. Aegis isnt stupid because it has an aura. AURAS are stupid as a game mechanic. Aegis is a great item in the game. Doesnt change the fact that in terms of design it is a terrible item.
On April 03 2012 05:17 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 05:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On April 03 2012 04:58 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 03 2012 04:37 UniversalSnip wrote:On April 03 2012 01:56 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 03 2012 00:43 TheYango wrote:On April 03 2012 00:31 Two_DoWn wrote:
Jungle doesnt really want it most of the time because there are better buy options for one of the nosr gold starved roles. You say this all the time, but I honestly think that Aegis is a great item for a gold-starved role, because even just the self-stat efficiency is really good. You're basically not paying anything in terms of gold-value for the aura because Aegis is self-stat efficient. It's only drawback is that as a 2k gold item, it's not slot-efficient, but the gold-starved nature of junglers means that slot-efficiency doesn't even come into play until later in the game, if at all. I dont think aegis is bad. I just think other stuff is better. On offensive types, wriggles, wits, and phage are all mulipurpose items that fit my role better than aegis does. Even Hog fits better IMO. On support types, you are looking at hog+philo core, which transitions so damn well into a fast shurelias and frozen heart to completely shut down the enemy ad carry before they even get started on their build. I mean, aegis works on some jungles in some roles. I just dont think that it is ever a must buy in the same way that shurelias, wits, wriggles, randis, and other items are. Especially when you consider that IF shurelias is such a great item that supports should always rush that instead of aegis, why not get it on the jungle who can get it even faster and leave the aegis to the support? But I will admit I am biased against aegis because I find the entire concept of auras to be a really shitty game mechanic in terms of both skills and items. ya support get dat frozen heart before the enemy ad carry can even start his build. A true baller has shurelya's too Support jungles. Like maokai. Its perfectly reasonable to have a frozen heart or shurelias by the time the AD gets their bf item with good farm, and definitly by the time they get bf item+zeal. So you're fine with Frozen Heart, but Aegis is a stupid item because auras are bad? And for the 1086th time: Aegis is OP, buy it. FH is an aura item too, therefor also OP. Buy it afterwards. AURAS ARE OP YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM. BUY THEM ALL Yeah, I'm not sure how you can consider an aura that's worth -20% autoattack damage dealt to your team to be better than an aura that's going to be around -10% to -20% of ALL damage when you get it. The FHeart aura only gets really good when LW de-values armor, or when you already have a lot of armor. At low early-midgame armor values, FHeart's -20% AS isn't better than Aegis aura for team survivability.
Thats fine, but when do you GET the aegis? You dont rush it because there are more effective cores: wriggles or double gp10. After that, do you really value getting ageis over getting any sort of secondary damage or utility item? Most of the time I have ever seen aegis come into play its already well past early game and starting to get into mid-late in terms of resistances, especially on the top laners and jungles.
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