Dig just finished playing IPL showmatch and they're gonna play in the ESL right after?
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
Dig just finished playing IPL showmatch and they're gonna play in the ESL right after? | ||
HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
I don't really see how the "if I get IE instead of BT I feel too squish" thing even really makes sense. Usually when you lane on bot as an AD carry with support you will often, if not most of the time, get a vamp scepter before you ever finish your first BF item. Even on champs that always get IE instead of BT like Caitlyn and Ashe, you always have a vamp scepter anyway. | ||
nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:12 bmn wrote: So I suck (always 1100-1200 ELO) even after reading great guides and trying a bunch of easy champs. It's easy in Starcraft: e.g. Take a pro replay, compare drone count at X minutes, and your mechanics will improve a lot if you get close to X. Or 1v1 a better player and ask for specific advice. I'd like to improve my ability to carry games from top/mid lane specifically. I often do well in lane, but am usually not able to exploit that advantage to carry the game, except with Rumble, but I don't want to be a one-trick pony. What's the most time-efficient way (low-hanging fruit) to get my skills to a ~1500-1600 ELO level? Should I duo queue / play arranged teams with higher players? Have specific CS objectives? (I'm not sure how helpful that is for top/mid lane, where there's usually more zoning / roaming / jungler intervention than in bot lane, AFAICT) I'm worried that queuing with better players will leave me either a) shoe-horned into support, which isn't where I feel I'd learn most (I get bored after X support games in a row) b) hopelessly outclassed in my lane; I'd fall behind early then never have a chance to come back, and spending 35+ minutes being useless doesn't teach me much Should I just send a few replays to the replay thread and ask for advice? I do switch champs too often, but it feels like purely grinding out games isn't a very enjoyable approach to improve. That said, maybe just picking one for a few weeks and playing only that champ really is the most efficient way. Proper pre-game (runes, masteries, itemization) are the lowest hanging fruit. CS-ing close second. Emulating proper playstyle third (watch streams of pros playing the same champ and try to understand why they do certain things a certain way) | ||
iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Been trying her out on free week and she wins like every lane so incredibly hard it isn't funny. 100 range advantages OP... Thought you got away? Nope, I snipe your ass. Think you gonna ganks me? Trololol traps, net dash (even over walls) and flash make you ungankable. It literally impossible not to win lane as Cait. So good. She harrass so well, and then when she bully people out of lane she damn good at pushing out the lane with Piltover to make em miss experience. ^_^ Also, she one of only champs in the game whose reccomended Items not full retard, way to go Riot; Doran blade, Zerker greaves, IE, LW, BT, and Banshee's Veil. Not bad... could use a PD though. | ||
Glaceau
Wales333 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On March 30 2012 14:54 Glaceau wrote: and then you play against my twitch bot lane and tear your caitlyn a new asshole. one of my favorite counterpicks lol Hmmm, I mean sure Twitch can initiate on Cait and force a real trade as opposed to unanswered harass... but does Twitch actually out trade Cait? Cait has stronger base stats, and her E does a great job dissengaging. Cait also has less mana issues, and can zone with her traps. I mean, I never actually played the matchup, so... I'll take your word for it. However, in my mind I see twitch stealthing in, attacking cait to eat a net in the face, about the same amount of autos twitch threw out, and a piltover while Cait run away. Even with expunge, that seems like a fair trade to me. /shrug I guess twitches CD's shorter, but still having playign twitch I can't see him having enough mana to keep up those trades without having a Soraka. Even supposing he has no mana issues, Caits support buying a pink/Oracle totally negates this advanatge... it not like supports never buy Oracles anyway. I skeptical man. | ||
pschiu
Singapore410 Posts
Use attack-move, accidentally click ground instead of enemy, champ starts attacking nearby creeps instead of enemy. Auto-attacking enemy too high-skill too mechanically demanding for an old dude like me. ![]() | ||
De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On March 30 2012 14:54 Glaceau wrote: and then you play against my twitch bot lane and tear your caitlyn a new asshole. one of my favorite counterpicks lol wut. can i see this | ||
Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
Soraka/Caitlyn beats Twitch bottom lane. Poking without fear of reprisal damages the rat quite well (and most other AD's) and the second twitch appears, casting heal on the target suddenly means twitch is doing minimal damage. With no escapes and no range, it forces a disengage unless the 2 kill lead has already happened. As a lesson if you face a Twitch: You do not escape late. You escape early and disengage, or you fight to the death. Flash/Net doesn't help you when you have 200 hp. Second Advice: Twitch wants you to disengage if you have worse sustain than him. Even with oracles, he can always force an engagement, as that is the substitute for Twitch's lack of poke (A fight where he gets 4 free shots off). | ||
iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:20 Fuzzmosis wrote: Twitch beats Caitlyn bot lane. The high attack speed + bonus damage on each hit rather than 8 means Twitch will generally win a level 1, and his damage scales faster per level. This requires Twitch and his support to initiate fighting constantly, since Twitch cannot poke. Once you've got 2 kills, you've won the lane though. Soraka/Caitlyn beats Twitch bottom lane. Poking without fear of reprisal damages the rat quite well (and most other AD's) and the second twitch appears, casting heal on the target suddenly means twitch is doing minimal damage. With no escapes and no range, it forces a disengage unless the 2 kill lead has already happened. As a lesson if you face a Twitch: You do not escape late. You escape early and disengage, or you fight to the death. Flash/Net doesn't help you when you have 200 hp. I dunno, I Cait I prolly just auto the support as soon as Twitch stealths, then net him as soon as he unstealths and disengage. Forces twitch to either give up free damage on his support or engage, and both options kinda suck because Cait gets to do daage for longer and can disengage regardless. Net slow kicks the crap out of twitch W unless he got full passive stacks. Yeah expunge does the deeps and has stupid range. I've never played the matchup before but if it was me I would be keeping the engages short. Twitches skillset improves as fight goes on, and Cait poke king. I can see twitch winning, but I don't think it like a straight up counterpick. My gut tells me it more of a skill matchup, just no one ever plays Twitch so they not practiced on how to fight him. As someone who jungles twitch all the time (mostly when I kinda pissed) I think most people just suck at dealing with stealth in general. Stealth very much a Mechanic that either dominates hard or is just kinda meh depending on the opponent. But, like I said, I never play the matchup so I guess I have to go test it. ^_^ | ||
Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:13 pschiu wrote: Use right-click, accidentally click ground instead of enemy, champ starts walking forward and gets killed. Use attack-move, accidentally click ground instead of enemy, champ starts attacking nearby creeps instead of enemy. Auto-attacking enemy too high-skill too mechanically demanding for an old dude like me. ![]() *comfort* It's okay my friend, happens to me more then I'd like to think. us..Wait old?! No no Not old! Experienced is the word you are looking for! Not old.. You get used to it eventually, or you just say to hell with it and play top lane. | ||
Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:33 iCanada wrote: I dunno, I Cait I prolly just auto the support as soon as Twitch stealths, then net him as soon as he unstealths and disengage. Forces twitch to either give up free damage on his support or engage, and both options kinda suck because Cait gets to do daage for longer and can disengage regardless. Net slow kicks the crap out of twitch W unless he got full passive stacks. Yeah expunge does the deeps and has stupid range. I've never played the matchup before but if it was me I would be keeping the engages short. Twitches skillset improves as fight goes on, and Cait poke king. I can see twitch winning, but I don't think it like a straight up counterpick. My gut tells me it more of a skill matchup, just no one ever plays Twitch so they not practiced on how to fight him. As someone who jungles twitch all the time (mostly when I kinda pissed) I think most people just suck at dealing with stealth in general. Stealth very much a Mechanic that either dominates hard or is just kinda meh depending on the opponent. But, like I said, I never play the matchup so I guess I have to go test it. ^_^ You never uncloak when your opponent can escape with just a net. And if you poke/chase their support, odds are you'll be putting yourself in a situation where Twitch has an easy engage against you. Or they have a bad support. Generally, you'd engage just after cait used her headshot, from behind, away from the creep wave, forcing Caitlyn to run (2-4 free hits) or fight. The downside: Too many engages like this where you can't out sustain cait and you fall way behind on farm. Remember, a good Twitch will not poke. He will avoid engagements until he can force a kill. His support will handle the poking unless you're very careless. Also, lane Twitch and Jungle Twitch are different beasts. Lane Twitch runes/builds are often out of neccesity for a level 1 win/low level wins. Jungle Twitch only ganks, so only fights at an advantage, so rune setup isn't for a strong early game, but jungle survival (since Twitch isn't exactly a jungle monster, just a gank one). | ||
ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
edit: since you have to decide on the spot what to do, opposed to seeing the other AD all the time and picking your spots | ||
HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:40 Fuzzmosis wrote: You never uncloak when your opponent can escape with just a net. And if you poke/chase their support, odds are you'll be putting yourself in a situation where Twitch has an easy engage against you. Or they have a bad support. Generally, you'd engage just after cait used her headshot, from behind, away from the creep wave, forcing Caitlyn to run (2-4 free hits) or fight. The downside: Too many engages like this where you can't out sustain cait and you fall way behind on farm. Remember, a good Twitch will not poke. He will avoid engagements until he can force a kill. His support will handle the poking unless you're very careless. Also, lane Twitch and Jungle Twitch are different beasts. Lane Twitch runes/builds are often out of neccesity for a level 1 win/low level wins. Jungle Twitch only ganks, so only fights at an advantage, so rune setup isn't for a strong early game, but jungle survival (since Twitch isn't exactly a jungle monster, just a gank one). This is true I suppose. I do still feel like a support that knows how to play against a twitch is going to nullify though. Many supports buy a pink to maintain brush control anyway, and especially when you lane with a Cait only time you gonna take auto damage is if you don't have brush control... so maintaining it important anyway. You have a pink in the brush/lane I don't see how a Twitch would be able to engage Cait from behind and away from creeps, or hard engage her at all really. Doesn't make sense to me. Anyway, I stop hassling you with theorycraft and go test it in game. | ||
Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
On March 30 2012 15:52 iCanada wrote: This is true I suppose. I do still feel like a support that knows how to play against a twitch is going to nullify though. Many supports buy a pink to maintain brush control anyway, and especially when you lane with a Cait only time you gonna take auto damage is if you don't have brush control... so maintaining it important anyway. You have a pink in the brush/lane I don't see how a Twitch would be able to engage Cait from behind and away from creeps, or hard engage her at all really. Doesn't make sense to me. Anyway, I stop hassling you with theorycraft and go test it in game. Lane Twitch is my Twitch, so to me this is just experience. Granted, I rarely play ranked so I'm only 7/9 in Twitch bot lane in ranked matches (Yes, wow. I know. So many games). More advice: Drop pinks when minions can't see you. If I see a Pink placed in the middle of the lane, I'll waddle through bushes, go behind you, and engage from behind. If I don't see it, I'll try to walk through it and you should punish me. (Check Summoner Fuzzmosis in North America if you want to see my history. I'm thoroughly Mediocre, just love playing Twitch) | ||
JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On March 30 2012 14:54 Glaceau wrote: and then you play against my twitch bot lane and tear your caitlyn a new asshole. one of my favorite counterpicks lol Tell my support to buy a pinky, zone your 500 range ass all day, or kill you with like a leona support. At above post, you can just trap the brush entrance while pinky warding the middle and deny twitch entrance. | ||
ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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Razhil
Belgium208 Posts
And in teamfight, I will always prefer Sivir's ult over Cait's. | ||
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