[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 120

On March 30 2012 03:12 bmn wrote:
So I suck (always 1100-1200 ELO) even after reading great guides and trying a bunch of easy champs.

It's easy in Starcraft: e.g. Take a pro replay, compare drone count at X minutes, and your mechanics will improve a lot if you get close to X. Or 1v1 a better player and ask for specific advice.

I'd like to improve my ability to carry games from top/mid lane specifically. I often do well in lane, but am usually not able to exploit that advantage to carry the game, except with Rumble, but I don't want to be a one-trick pony.

What's the most time-efficient way (low-hanging fruit) to get my skills to a ~1500-1600 ELO level?
Should I duo queue / play arranged teams with higher players?
Have specific CS objectives? (I'm not sure how helpful that is for top/mid lane, where there's usually more zoning / roaming / jungler intervention than in bot lane, AFAICT)

I'm worried that queuing with better players will leave me either
a) shoe-horned into support, which isn't where I feel I'd learn most (I get bored after X support games in a row)
b) hopelessly outclassed in my lane; I'd fall behind early then never have a chance to come back, and spending 35+ minutes being useless doesn't teach me much

Should I just send a few replays to the replay thread and ask for advice?

I do switch champs too often, but it feels like purely grinding out games isn't a very enjoyable approach to improve. That said, maybe just picking one for a few weeks and playing only that champ really is the most efficient way.

On March 30 2012 14:54 Glaceau wrote:
and then you play against my twitch bot lane and tear your caitlyn a new asshole. one of my favorite counterpicks lol

On March 30 2012 14:54 Glaceau wrote:
and then you play against my twitch bot lane and tear your caitlyn a new asshole. one of my favorite counterpicks lol

On March 30 2012 15:20 Fuzzmosis wrote:
Twitch beats Caitlyn bot lane. The high attack speed + bonus damage on each hit rather than 8 means Twitch will generally win a level 1, and his damage scales faster per level. This requires Twitch and his support to initiate fighting constantly, since Twitch cannot poke. Once you've got 2 kills, you've won the lane though.

Soraka/Caitlyn beats Twitch bottom lane. Poking without fear of reprisal damages the rat quite well (and most other AD's) and the second twitch appears, casting heal on the target suddenly means twitch is doing minimal damage. With no escapes and no range, it forces a disengage unless the 2 kill lead has already happened.

As a lesson if you face a Twitch: You do not escape late. You escape early and disengage, or you fight to the death. Flash/Net doesn't help you when you have 200 hp.

On March 30 2012 15:13 pschiu wrote:
Use right-click, accidentally click ground instead of enemy, champ starts walking forward and gets killed.
Use attack-move, accidentally click ground instead of enemy, champ starts attacking nearby creeps instead of enemy.

Auto-attacking enemy too high-skill too mechanically demanding for an old dude like me.

On March 30 2012 15:33 iCanada wrote:


I dunno, I Cait I prolly just auto the support as soon as Twitch stealths, then net him as soon as he unstealths and disengage. Forces twitch to either give up free damage on his support or engage, and both options kinda suck because Cait gets to do daage for longer and can disengage regardless. Net slow kicks the crap out of twitch W unless he got full passive stacks.

Yeah expunge does the deeps and has stupid range. I've never played the matchup before but if it was me I would be keeping the engages short. Twitches skillset improves as fight goes on, and Cait poke king.

I can see twitch winning, but I don't think it like a straight up counterpick. My gut tells me it more of a skill matchup, just no one ever plays Twitch so they not practiced on how to fight him. As someone who jungles twitch all the time (mostly when I kinda pissed) I think most people just suck at dealing with stealth in general. Stealth very much a Mechanic that either dominates hard or is just kinda meh depending on the opponent.

But, like I said, I never play the matchup so I guess I have to go test it.

^_^

On March 30 2012 15:40 Fuzzmosis wrote:


You never uncloak when your opponent can escape with just a net. And if you poke/chase their support, odds are you'll be putting yourself in a situation where Twitch has an easy engage against you. Or they have a bad support.

Generally, you'd engage just after cait used her headshot, from behind, away from the creep wave, forcing Caitlyn to run (2-4 free hits) or fight. The downside: Too many engages like this where you can't out sustain cait and you fall way behind on farm. Remember, a good Twitch will not poke. He will avoid engagements until he can force a kill. His support will handle the poking unless you're very careless.

Also, lane Twitch and Jungle Twitch are different beasts. Lane Twitch runes/builds are often out of neccesity for a level 1 win/low level wins. Jungle Twitch only ganks, so only fights at an advantage, so rune setup isn't for a strong early game, but jungle survival (since Twitch isn't exactly a jungle monster, just a gank one).

On March 30 2012 15:52 iCanada wrote:


This is true I suppose.

I do still feel like a support that knows how to play against a twitch is going to nullify though. Many supports buy a pink to maintain brush control anyway, and especially when you lane with a Cait only time you gonna take auto damage is if you don't have brush control... so maintaining it important anyway. You have a pink in the brush/lane I don't see how a Twitch would be able to engage Cait from behind and away from creeps, or hard engage her at all really. Doesn't make sense to me.

Anyway, I stop hassling you with theorycraft and go test it in game.

On March 30 2012 14:54 Glaceau wrote:
and then you play against my twitch bot lane and tear your caitlyn a new asshole. one of my favorite counterpicks lol