• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:43
CEST 08:43
KST 15:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror4[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 20262Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)77Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
Fantasy returning? Sagi.gg Launcher Released BW General Discussion SC4ALL II Brood War Complete Invited Player Lineup 20-year-old Valorant player starting StarCraft
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6617 users

[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 122

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 120 121 122 123 124 339 Next
Remember guys, this is the general discussion thread. Keep whine/QQ posts in the appropriate QQ memorial thread! Thanks!
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 30 2012 09:49 GMT
#2421
On March 30 2012 18:45 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 18:41 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Olaf and Trundle cant initiate properly? Are we playing the same champions? If you hit that axe and run full speed, you can keep axing, and axing, and axing and axing till hes dead. Not to mention Trundle pillar



Olaf and trundle share the same problem like Garen. Against any competent team you need someone else to go in first, because the enemy's positioning is far greater. However at lower plays, your statement is very true.


Olaf does have his ult for CC and the damage that any counter initiate might do. Olaf will do better at initiating than a Garen, that's for sure.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 30 2012 09:53 GMT
#2422
Yeah, but when it's midgame (around level 11, one big item and shooting for the 2nd max) and people sit 5v5 at towers, I can axe them and run into tower range, sure, but I'm generally not fed enough to tank all that during the time it takes us to win the fight. And as I mentioned, it's when one lane (typically bot) loses and I'm the strongest asset on the team. Can't have me sacrificing so we can dive then. ^^'

What happens is people sit at their tower, push the wave, go back under their tower when I axe them for quite a bit of damage, our AD isn't fed enough and/or picked someone with no range like Vayne. I guess it'd go better at higher Elo, where people wouldn't be so indecisive and I could better trust my teammates to follow-up if I straight up dive. Lots of early advantages have been blown up that way when people would farm back after a 5-6 minutes standoff. Worse if when I'm the strongest on the team, I can't even go splitpush because my team won't stand the 4v5 even with the tower advantage. Need to step up on that too.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
March 30 2012 09:55 GMT
#2423
On March 30 2012 18:49 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 18:45 Sponkz wrote:
On March 30 2012 18:41 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Olaf and Trundle cant initiate properly? Are we playing the same champions? If you hit that axe and run full speed, you can keep axing, and axing, and axing and axing till hes dead. Not to mention Trundle pillar



Olaf and trundle share the same problem like Garen. Against any competent team you need someone else to go in first, because the enemy's positioning is far greater. However at lower plays, your statement is very true.


Olaf does have his ult for CC and the damage that any counter initiate might do. Olaf will do better at initiating than a Garen, that's for sure.



He still suffers from having no gap-closer.
hi
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 30 2012 10:05 GMT
#2424
On March 30 2012 18:55 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 18:49 Doctorbeat wrote:
On March 30 2012 18:45 Sponkz wrote:
On March 30 2012 18:41 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Olaf and Trundle cant initiate properly? Are we playing the same champions? If you hit that axe and run full speed, you can keep axing, and axing, and axing and axing till hes dead. Not to mention Trundle pillar



Olaf and trundle share the same problem like Garen. Against any competent team you need someone else to go in first, because the enemy's positioning is far greater. However at lower plays, your statement is very true.


Olaf does have his ult for CC and the damage that any counter initiate might do. Olaf will do better at initiating than a Garen, that's for sure.



He still suffers from having no gap-closer.


Ghost+ult is an ok gap closer.

Nowhere near the point and click ones like Wukong, Irelia, Lee, Xin etc have, but it closes the gaps.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 30 2012 10:13 GMT
#2425
http://lol.garena.tw/events/201201_herodesign/HeroDesign04.php?id=1369

New champ coming up? :O
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23442 Posts
March 30 2012 10:15 GMT
#2426
On March 30 2012 18:55 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 18:49 Doctorbeat wrote:
On March 30 2012 18:45 Sponkz wrote:
On March 30 2012 18:41 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Olaf and Trundle cant initiate properly? Are we playing the same champions? If you hit that axe and run full speed, you can keep axing, and axing, and axing and axing till hes dead. Not to mention Trundle pillar



Olaf and trundle share the same problem like Garen. Against any competent team you need someone else to go in first, because the enemy's positioning is far greater. However at lower plays, your statement is very true.


Olaf does have his ult for CC and the damage that any counter initiate might do. Olaf will do better at initiating than a Garen, that's for sure.



He still suffers from having no gap-closer.


Olaf would be broken with a gap closer. He's balanced around not having one, like udyr. An olaf with just ghostblade can destroy champs other melees wouldn't think of diving on in a teamfight. He just is really farm dependent because he's a melee who isn't naturally very tanky but scales well off tank stats. (like cassio or something)
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 10:22:28
March 30 2012 10:17 GMT
#2427
On March 30 2012 19:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://lol.garena.tw/events/201201_herodesign/HeroDesign04.php?id=1369

New champ coming up? :O


Looks like Nasus and Swain did the nasty and that came out...

edit: reading the skills , its pretty cool concept, passive flightstate that increases power on skills and movement / armor / mr passivly.

ulti is some kind of solar eclipse. Cant wait
KCCO!
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
March 30 2012 10:28 GMT
#2428
On March 30 2012 19:17 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 19:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://lol.garena.tw/events/201201_herodesign/HeroDesign04.php?id=1369

New champ coming up? :O


Looks like Nasus and Swain did the nasty and that came out...

edit: reading the skills , its pretty cool concept, passive flightstate that increases power on skills and movement / armor / mr passivly.

ulti is some kind of solar eclipse. Cant wait


If someone who knows Chinese and could translate that for us...

But really, we already have Nasus and Renekton-no more Egyptians!
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 30 2012 10:34 GMT
#2429
On March 30 2012 19:17 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 19:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://lol.garena.tw/events/201201_herodesign/HeroDesign04.php?id=1369

New champ coming up? :O


Looks like Nasus and Swain did the nasty and that came out...

edit: reading the skills , its pretty cool concept, passive flightstate that increases power on skills and movement / armor / mr passivly.

ulti is some kind of solar eclipse. Cant wait


Nasus = Anubis
Renekton = Sobek
new champ looks like Horus
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
shrinkmaster
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany947 Posts
March 30 2012 10:38 GMT
#2430
On March 30 2012 19:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://lol.garena.tw/events/201201_herodesign/HeroDesign04.php?id=1369

New champ coming up? :O


this champ looks amazing. love ancient egypt mythology.
Voltaire: The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it.
Vallelol
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1046 Posts
March 30 2012 10:49 GMT
#2431
On March 30 2012 19:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://lol.garena.tw/events/201201_herodesign/HeroDesign04.php?id=1369

New champ coming up? :O


Its actually just a submission on a herodesign contest:

http://lol.garena.tw/events/201201_herodesign/HeroDesign03.php
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 30 2012 10:50 GMT
#2432
I thought Riot said they'd never take submissions to design their champs, except for their "make people suscribe" (forgot the word) thing?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
March 30 2012 11:08 GMT
#2433
On March 30 2012 19:49 Vallelol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 19:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://lol.garena.tw/events/201201_herodesign/HeroDesign04.php?id=1369

New champ coming up? :O


Its actually just a submission on a herodesign contest:

http://lol.garena.tw/events/201201_herodesign/HeroDesign03.php


I like this one better: http://lol.garena.tw/events/201201_herodesign/HeroDesign04.php?id=72

[image loading]
Meiying, God the Holy Spirit deer
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
March 30 2012 11:28 GMT
#2434
lol I love the Touhou submission.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
March 30 2012 11:56 GMT
#2435
On March 30 2012 19:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
http://lol.garena.tw/events/201201_herodesign/HeroDesign04.php?id=1369

New champ coming up? :O


looks like nasus and swain had a baby
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 30 2012 12:45 GMT
#2436
Tears were shed after watching this (part 3 of the OGN LoL documentary)

Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 12:53:44
March 30 2012 12:52 GMT
#2437
@ihasaKAROT I think the Noc + TF combo showed itself to be really strong by fanatic at IEM so i'm guessing its FOTM. Fast clear junglers...everyone loves them.

Everytime I pick corki people "counterpick" me with caitlyn but as soon as I get some levels I feel like i have alot of success just zerging her. Most caitlyns are really bad though so i'm probably just talking out of my ass.

@sob3k I APPROVE OF THAT HERO
LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
March 30 2012 13:02 GMT
#2438
On March 30 2012 19:05 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 18:55 Sponkz wrote:
On March 30 2012 18:49 Doctorbeat wrote:
On March 30 2012 18:45 Sponkz wrote:
On March 30 2012 18:41 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Olaf and Trundle cant initiate properly? Are we playing the same champions? If you hit that axe and run full speed, you can keep axing, and axing, and axing and axing till hes dead. Not to mention Trundle pillar



Olaf and trundle share the same problem like Garen. Against any competent team you need someone else to go in first, because the enemy's positioning is far greater. However at lower plays, your statement is very true.


Olaf does have his ult for CC and the damage that any counter initiate might do. Olaf will do better at initiating than a Garen, that's for sure.



He still suffers from having no gap-closer.


Ghost+ult is an ok gap closer.

Nowhere near the point and click ones like Wukong, Irelia, Lee, Xin etc have, but it closes the gaps.



It still isn't a good first-initiation thing, unless you're playing against less competent players like i stated a few posts back. Don't missunderstand me, olaf is stronk as fuck, but he's no initiater and he will never be.
hi
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 30 2012 13:19 GMT
#2439
What do you guys think about rushing Zekes on a bruiser solo top for your survivability item instead of a wriggles? Now after the wriggles nerf it's not as good and Zekes gives many useful stats, not to mention the aura. o.O
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 30 2012 13:22 GMT
#2440
Just get a cutlass bro. My cutlass Lee Sin #1
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Prev 1 120 121 122 123 124 339 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 3116
Rain 1718
GuemChi 536
FanTaSy 526
sSak 80
Hm[arnc] 33
Bale 32
ajuk12(nOOB) 20
Icarus 7
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm160
League of Legends
JimRising 602
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King214
Other Games
summit1g7713
WinterStarcraft676
KnowMe95
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick699
BasetradeTV154
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream43
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki26
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2191
League of Legends
• Lourlo1171
• Rush938
• Stunt462
Other Games
• Shiphtur986
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
3h 17m
INu's Battles
4h 17m
Percival vs SHIN
Zoun vs herO
OSC
6h 17m
OSC
15h 32m
Replay Cast
16h 17m
OSC
1d 16h
Big Brain Bouts
2 days
Rex vs INexorable
GgMaChine vs HeRoMaRinE
Reynor vs herO
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
Patches Events
3 days
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
HCC Season 3
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.