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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On March 30 2012 02:59 JackDino wrote: Merely pointing out that you're not just there to kill turrets, TD says crit doesn't work on turrets, neither does arp. carries are never meant to only kill turrets, not sure where you heard that o_O | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:14 Mondeezy wrote: I'm kind of having trouble with itemization in this game.. like, I know what to build at the beginning. I know what my goals are at the end. But in terms of items mid-game, I'm lost. I'm not sure whether to get a brutalizer, hexdrinker, a piece of a bigger item(IE or BT), etc. Is it ok to just go for components of the big items, like Rabadon's or Bloodthirster? Or should you always get 1-2 early/mid items to keep your advantage? On who? What class? | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
Sundance tweeted this message soon after having lunch with Marcou. This means we could see LoL back in MLG some time this year. Nothing's guaranteed but it's a good sign. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
It varies.. usually bottom is pretty standard (2x dorans, zerkers, vamp scepter/IE etc). But as for top lane(obviously depending on the matchup/champs), I find myself more often than not rushing a late game item instead of getting a couple of mid-game items. For example, on Riven, I'd rush Cloth5 -> wriggles->boots/bt. I'm not sure if wriggles is a "significant" enough mid-game item to hold me out, or if I should get more before my bt? Another example would be in mid, I always find myself going 2x dorans->boots>rabadons. Like, is there something I should be getting in that gap between beginning items to end game items? It feels weird going straight for a component of a late-game item at the 15 minute mark.. I come from a HoN background so maybe that's what's making this difficult for me  | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:11 Two_DoWn wrote: does BC shred towers? No, you can't debuff towers, which means there's no good itemization for a ranged AD looking to penetrate a tower's defenses. But Olaf with APen runes and GB/Brutalizer is hilariously effective at demolishing towers. On March 30 2012 03:14 BlasiuS wrote: carries are never meant to only kill turrets, not sure where you heard that o_O Read the last few pages of discussion. There's context to this that you're missing. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:20 Mondeezy wrote: It varies.. usually bottom is pretty standard (2x dorans, zerkers, vamp scepter/IE etc). But as for top lane(obviously depending on the matchup/champs), I find myself more often than not rushing a late game item instead of getting a couple of mid-game items. For example, on Riven, I'd rush Cloth5 -> wriggles->boots/bt. I'm not sure if wriggles is a "significant" enough mid-game item to hold me out, or if I should get more before my bt? Another example would be in mid, I always find myself going 2x dorans->boots>rabadons. Like, is there something I should be getting in that gap between beginning items to end game items? It feels weird going straight for a component of a late-game item at the 15 minute mark.. I come from a HoN background so maybe that's what's making this difficult for me Typically Ad and AP carries are going to go for that 1-2 dorans into their first big item. Dorans give them all they really need to hit that point, and that first big item is a huge damage boost. Top and jungle are different. Bruisers are typically much happier with a mish mash of whatever they need to survive and hit people with. That and most of the big items (save trinity) are really not all that good on bruisers. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:12 bmn wrote: So I suck (always 1100-1200 ELO) even after reading great guides and trying a bunch of easy champs. It's easy in Starcraft: e.g. Take a pro replay, compare drone count at X minutes, and your mechanics will improve a lot if you get close to X. Or 1v1 a better player and ask for specific advice. I'd like to improve my ability to carry games from top/mid lane specifically. I often do well in lane, but am usually not able to exploit that advantage to carry the game, except with Rumble, but I don't want to be a one-trick pony. What's the most time-efficient way (low-hanging fruit) to get my skills to a ~1500-1600 ELO level? Should I duo queue / play arranged teams with higher players? Have specific CS objectives? (I'm not sure how helpful that is for top/mid lane, where there's usually more zoning / roaming / jungler intervention than in bot lane, AFAICT) I'm worried that queuing with better players will leave me either a) shoe-horned into support, which isn't where I feel I'd learn most (I get bored after X support games in a row) b) hopelessly outclassed in my lane; I'd fall behind early then never have a chance to come back, and spending 35+ minutes being useless doesn't teach me much Should I just send a few replays to the replay thread and ask for advice? I do switch champs too often, but it feels like purely grinding out games isn't a very enjoyable approach to improve. That said, maybe just picking one for a few weeks and playing only that champ really is the most efficient way. Mechanics are important. CSing is more important than you probably realize. Setting and routinely reaching CS goals is an easy way to improve your game. In some ways it's a harder to improve in LoL than in SC. In SC, you need to improve on stuff like mechanics, timing, and match-up knowledge if you want to get better overall. The difference is that in LoL, while mechanics are much easier to learn/master and timings are very simple as well, each game will be different and the number of possible match-ups that you need to learn far outstrip the 3 match-ups per race (or 9 if you play random) in SC. For SC, getting better at mechanics is #1 way to improve since it's such a huge part of the game. Due to LoL's simpler and lower mechanical skill ceiling, the #1 way to improve is game knowledge and experience, which can only be achieved by playing a ton of games. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22649 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:14 Mondeezy wrote: I'm kind of having trouble with itemization in this game.. like, I know what to build at the beginning. I know what my goals are at the end. But in terms of items mid-game, I'm lost. I'm not sure whether to get a brutalizer, hexdrinker, a piece of a bigger item(IE or BT), etc. Is it ok to just go for components of the big items, like Rabadon's or Bloodthirster? Or should you always get 1-2 early/mid items to keep your advantage? It depends a ton of what champion your playing. how the game is going ect there is no way to just say how it should be done. But for me it personaly comes down to what are the other lanes doing. Is someone on the enemy team fed? consider getting some resists against that champion (armor/mr). Is your team winning hard. look for what could stop you in a teamfight. Does there team have a lot of stuns that you might wanne get a QSS for. ect ect. Really hard to say without specifics tho. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:14 BlasiuS wrote: carries are never meant to only kill turrets, not sure where you heard that o_O It's just a thing from when people used to not always run ranged AD's (5 tank teams for example that WHALE often would run). When AD ranged carries got nerfed to hell with the red buff changes, MS decreases, IE nerfs, and every melee champ coming out having a hap closer, people began to stop running ranged AD's so religiously. Some players argued that lategame during tower sieges the AD carry is used to poke down the towers (without saying that obviously that isn't their ONLY job), and nobody does that better than a ranged AD. That was one of their strengths as compared to not running a ranged carry (where you'd run a melee carry instead like a garen taric bot with a melee top). While ranged AD's do excel at taking down towers that's not actually their only job, T_D. >_> | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On March 30 2012 02:43 Cloud9157 wrote: So I have been picking up Wukong to try and become a more diverse top laner. My question is mainly on his build in game. I was thinking boots+pot or cloth+5 depending on who you're facing. Then I guess it would depend on how much I'm dominating, maybe 2 Doran's or a Wriggle's? Also, I would probably want a Brutalizer on Wukong, since he benefits from everything it has to offer it seems. Would also assume get a FM. I also don't know if I should run arm pen. or AD marks/quints on him. =\ I asked this in the Wuk thread a few days ago, no response yet. Since his Q is already an armor shred, just go Flat AD, usually something like 2 dorans bruta triforce fratmogs or something is what i end up going most games | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Saint been in queue for the past 40 minutes. Korean server needs more high ELO players. He only like 2100 too. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:39 arb wrote: Since his Q is already an armor shred, just go Flat AD, usually something like 2 dorans bruta triforce fratmogs or something is what i end up going most games ...no, since his Q is already an armor shred, you go ArPen... sigh.... T_T | ||
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bmn
886 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:31 Ryuu314 wrote: Mechanics are important. CSing is more important than you probably realize. Setting and routinely reaching CS goals is an easy way to improve your game. In some ways it's a harder to improve in LoL than in SC. In SC, you need to improve on stuff like mechanics, timing, and match-up knowledge if you want to get better overall. The difference is that in LoL, while mechanics are much easier to learn/master and timings are very simple as well, each game will be different and the number of possible match-ups that you need to learn far outstrip the 3 match-ups per race (or 9 if you play random) in SC. For SC, getting better at mechanics is #1 way to improve since it's such a huge part of the game. Due to LoL's simpler and lower mechanical skill ceiling, the #1 way to improve is game knowledge and experience, which can only be achieved by playing a ton of games. Eh, guess I should pay more attention to CS then. Thing is, I find it much harder to practice mechanics in LoL than in SC, for the reasons you mentioned. In SC2, you can compare your version of a build against a well-executed one; there's no such direct comparison in LoL (and you can't work on just that one thing in the same way unless you have practice partners). If there were something like a unit tester map to practice 1v1 laning, that'd save so much time. Even 1v1 custom games seem stupidly unhelpful in that the game doesn't seem to end if you leave (or maybe I did it wrong). Also, as a sidenote, actually implementing Mogwai's mindset for the solo queue mentality is a lot harder than just agreeing with it. Too often I get an intentional troll/rager in my first game, then for the rest of the evening I turn into a whiny bitch instead of focusing on my own play -_- | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:42 iCanada wrote: lol. Saint been in queue for the past 40 minutes. Korean server needs more high ELO players. He only like 2100 too. Yeah. At least the stream is entertaining anyway - you can hear Hotshot arguing with some other CLG player. So unusual  | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:12 bmn wrote: So I suck (always 1100-1200 ELO) even after reading great guides and trying a bunch of easy champs. It's easy in Starcraft: e.g. Take a pro replay, compare drone count at X minutes, and your mechanics will improve a lot if you get close to X. Or 1v1 a better player and ask for specific advice. I'd like to improve my ability to carry games from top/mid lane specifically. I often do well in lane, but am usually not able to exploit that advantage to carry the game, except with Rumble, but I don't want to be a one-trick pony. What's the most time-efficient way (low-hanging fruit) to get my skills to a ~1500-1600 ELO level? Should I duo queue / play arranged teams with higher players? Have specific CS objectives? (I'm not sure how helpful that is for top/mid lane, where there's usually more zoning / roaming / jungler intervention than in bot lane, AFAICT) I'm worried that queuing with better players will leave me either a) shoe-horned into support, which isn't where I feel I'd learn most (I get bored after X support games in a row) b) hopelessly outclassed in my lane; I'd fall behind early then never have a chance to come back, and spending 35+ minutes being useless doesn't teach me much Should I just send a few replays to the replay thread and ask for advice? I do switch champs too often, but it feels like purely grinding out games isn't a very enjoyable approach to improve. That said, maybe just picking one for a few weeks and playing only that champ really is the most efficient way. the number 1 thing to improve elo, is farm, and not feed. Try and hit 100 cs for every 10 min (if ur top, mid, or bot ad). You won't reach this goal, but god damnit, try as hard as you can. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On March 30 2012 03:43 bmn wrote: Eh, guess I should pay more attention to CS then. Thing is, I find it much harder to practice mechanics in LoL than in SC, for the reasons you mentioned. In SC2, you can compare your version of a build against a well-executed one; there's no such direct comparison in LoL (and you can't work on just that one thing in the same way unless you have practice partners). If there were something like a unit tester map to practice 1v1 laning, that'd save so much time. Even 1v1 custom games seem stupidly unhelpful in that the game doesn't seem to end if you leave (or maybe I did it wrong). Also, as a sidenote, actually implementing Mogwai's mindset for the solo queue mentality is a lot harder than just agreeing with it. Too often I get an intentional troll/rager in my first game, then for the rest of the evening I turn into a whiny bitch instead of focusing on my own play -_- You can do it with CS. Watch a pro game, for example Doublelift almost always has like 180 CS by the 20 minute mark. Even if you suck at other stuff you get that CS by 20 minute mark you going to crush people. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
the highest elo games I've ever seen! No really that VOD was hysterical. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On March 30 2012 02:44 Mogwai wrote: That's because the op tells you how to build him so maybe you should just read it and ask questions off of that. Why listen to the OP when he has those friends? I'm sorry it's just too tempting to bring it up. | ||
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