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While this thread is labeled "DotA2", this is in fact a community thread first. Many of the users in the TL LoL subforum have been playing as friends for over a year now, so it makes logical sense that they would want to play other games together. Do not compare DotA2 to LoL, you will get banned. TL LoL veterans know what is expected. Newcomers be warned. gl hf | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
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TheYango
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:39 TheYango wrote: I don't really like doing it based on LoL equivalents because that could be deceiving (like comparing Daedalus to Infinity Edge doesn't give any indication of the fact that Daedalus is usually a terrible item). I might do a brief item guide anyway. Then just make note that it isnt a good item. Better to write that its like IE but not that good usually than let me see that on a wiki somewhere and say "OOH LOOKIE ITS IE MUST GET!" | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:39 TheYango wrote: I don't really like doing it based on LoL equivalents because that could be deceiving (like comparing Daedalus to Infinity Edge doesn't give any indication of the fact that Daedalus is usually a terrible item). I might do a brief item guide anyway. Even just looking at it for a few minutes there's also items that have no comparison at all, not even slightly similar comparisons(Ghost Scepter, Hand of Midas, Medalion.. this list could get pretty long). | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Heart of Tarrasque = Warmogs BKB = Olaf ult Shivas = Frozen Heart Linken's = Banshees Blademail = Thornmail (activated effect, but it's 100% damage return) Hood = FoN Manta = PD/mini-QSS Mekansm = Summoner Heal Vladimir's = Zeke/Starks Pipe = (new) Locket+FoN Jango/Drum = Shurelia's Daedalus = IE (it sucks in 90% of cases) Battlefury = Tiamat on steroids Sange and Yasha = Triforce w/out Sheen proc (Sange and Yasha are Phage and Zeal respectively) Satanic = Vamp scepter/BT with an active that gives 175% lifesteal Mjollnir = Ionic Spark Skadi = Frozen Mallet (better but way more expensive; generally not good due to how expensive it is) Diffusal Blade = old Wit's End w/ semi-exhaust active Hand of Midas = Smite on steroids Boots of Travel = Teleport (can teleport to any non-hero ally) Phase boots = Ghost Dagon = Shitty DFG that can be upgraded Eul's = Zhonyas active on yourself or enemies with speed boost/mana regen the other stuff, especially the big-ticket int. items don't really have a good LoL equivalent | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:57 TheYango wrote: Btw, for those curious how exactly armor works in DotA, it's the exact same as in LoL, but with different scales--1 point of armor in DotA = 6 points of armor in LoL. The damage reduction is equivalent with that. And there's no % penetration/flat penetration/% reduction/flat reduction priority queue. If it reduces armor, it reduces armor, and can make armor go negative. | ||
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
Queen of pain is way to item dependent to learn as your first hero. Even when leveling skills, for example if you are against certain heroes maxing Q can lead to an easier mid lane, but less of a ganking presence. (bloodseeker) etc. Also items are entirely dependent on the overall hero composition. Although hex is good, maybe you should build linkens against their team setup etc. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:56 Ryuu314 wrote: Heart of Tarrasque = Non-stacking warmogs with FoN passive on steroids out of combat BKB = stronger Doran's Blade(without lifesteal) with Olaf's Ult active Shivas = Frozen Heart with Randuins active that also does solid damage Linken's = Banshees Blademail = Thornmail (activated effect, but it's 100% damage return) Hood = FoN with no movespeed Manta = PD/mini-QSS Mekansm = Summoner Heal Vladimir's = Zeke/Starks Pipe = (new) Locket+FoN Jango/Drum = Shurelia's(great, cheap buildup, great base stats, great teamfight active) Daedalus = IE (it sucks in 90% of cases) Battlefury = Tiamat on steroids Sange and Yasha = Triforce w/out Sheen proc(Phage and Zeal respectively if not combined) HotD = Wriggles with dominate creep in place of ward Satanic = If Wriggles also gave you a ton of HP and a 175% lifesteal active Mjollnir = Ionic Spark with a defensive Ionic spark active(chain lightning on being hit instead of hitting) Skadi = Frozen Mallet (better but way more expensive; generally not good due to how expensive it is) Diffusal Blade = old Wit's End w/ semi-exhaust active Hand of Midas = Smite on steroids(can be considered like a giant gp5 item as well) Boots of Travel = Teleport (can teleport to any non-hero ally) Phase boots = Ghost the other stuff, especially the big-ticket int. items don't really have a good LoL equivalent Added/changed some comments to clarify some of the items further. | ||
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
Assault Cuirass - old stark's fervor minus lifesteal with an additional armor aura Arcane Boots - boots 2 with clarity summoner spell ability Should also point out that Linken's is a Banshee's that only blocks TARGETED spells, but is also on half the recharge rate | ||
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:25 red_ wrote: Added/changed some comments to clarify some of the items further. Is deathfire grasp similar to dagon? (sorry been a while since i have played lol) | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:31 SirMilford wrote: Is deathfire grasp similar to dagon? (sorry been a while since i have played lol) I guess DFG is most similar to Dagon, but they function quite differently tbh. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:33 Ryuu314 wrote: I guess DFG is most similar to Dagon, but they function quite differently tbh. They function similarly in that they both kind of suck. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:34 TheYango wrote: They function similarly in that they both kind of suck. DFG's better and sees more use than Dagon tho. But I will admit that they're both really gimmicky. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:45 Two_DoWn wrote: Can anyone explain how to do the twitching hold on the auto animation when last hitting? The delay thing that pros do to time? Spam-press stop. | ||
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:45 Two_DoWn wrote: Can anyone explain how to do the twitching hold on the auto animation when last hitting? The delay thing that pros do to time? Spam s or h while either standing closest to the creep you want to last hit(then you just stop spamming when you want to hit it), or do the above then right click the creep you actually want to hit(probably a better idea in case the target you automatically acquire isn't the right one). | ||
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:49 SirMilford wrote: Also, isn't zhyona's hourglass similar to the "Ghost scepter". Allthough zhyonas is invun and not moving, ghost is ehteral and no physical damage. That's a pretty significant difference. You can die by getting pasted by a nuke when you're a ghost, you're completely invuln while zhonyaing. The only similarity pretty much is: physical attacks can't hurt you when you activate the item. | ||
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