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While this thread is labeled "DotA2", this is in fact a community thread first. Many of the users in the TL LoL subforum have been playing as friends for over a year now, so it makes logical sense that they would want to play other games together.

Do not compare DotA2 to LoL, you will get banned.

TL LoL veterans know what is expected. Newcomers be warned.

gl hf
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
March 08 2012 01:37 GMT
#181
Also manta style disjoints, so you can dodge stuns and stuff with it (it has 0.1s of invulnerability on activation!)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 08 2012 01:39 GMT
#182
I don't really like doing it based on LoL equivalents because that could be deceiving (like comparing Daedalus to Infinity Edge doesn't give any indication of the fact that Daedalus is usually a terrible item). I might do a brief item guide anyway.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 08 2012 01:45 GMT
#183
On March 08 2012 10:39 TheYango wrote:
I don't really like doing it based on LoL equivalents because that could be deceiving (like comparing Daedalus to Infinity Edge doesn't give any indication of the fact that Daedalus is usually a terrible item). I might do a brief item guide anyway.

Then just make note that it isnt a good item. Better to write that its like IE but not that good usually than let me see that on a wiki somewhere and say "OOH LOOKIE ITS IE MUST GET!"
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 08 2012 01:45 GMT
#184
On March 08 2012 10:39 TheYango wrote:
I don't really like doing it based on LoL equivalents because that could be deceiving (like comparing Daedalus to Infinity Edge doesn't give any indication of the fact that Daedalus is usually a terrible item). I might do a brief item guide anyway.


Even just looking at it for a few minutes there's also items that have no comparison at all, not even slightly similar comparisons(Ghost Scepter, Hand of Midas, Medalion.. this list could get pretty long).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 08 2012 01:54 GMT
#185
Well, if I was doing the list I would say something like Ghost Scepter was Jax dodge but makes spells hit harder, Hand is smite, and medallion is an activatable aura like abyssal that affects you too, only with armor and not MR.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 03:09:41
March 08 2012 01:56 GMT
#186
I can help the item translation get started. Some items are more akin to champion/summoner skills in LoL, however.

Heart of Tarrasque = Warmogs
BKB = Olaf ult
Shivas = Frozen Heart
Linken's = Banshees
Blademail = Thornmail (activated effect, but it's 100% damage return)
Hood = FoN
Manta = PD/mini-QSS
Mekansm = Summoner Heal
Vladimir's = Zeke/Starks
Pipe = (new) Locket+FoN
Jango/Drum = Shurelia's
Daedalus = IE (it sucks in 90% of cases)
Battlefury = Tiamat on steroids
Sange and Yasha = Triforce w/out Sheen proc (Sange and Yasha are Phage and Zeal respectively)
Satanic = Vamp scepter/BT with an active that gives 175% lifesteal
Mjollnir = Ionic Spark
Skadi = Frozen Mallet (better but way more expensive; generally not good due to how expensive it is)
Diffusal Blade = old Wit's End w/ semi-exhaust active
Hand of Midas = Smite on steroids
Boots of Travel = Teleport (can teleport to any non-hero ally)
Phase boots = Ghost
Dagon = Shitty DFG that can be upgraded
Eul's = Zhonyas active on yourself or enemies with speed boost/mana regen

the other stuff, especially the big-ticket int. items don't really have a good LoL equivalent
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 08 2012 01:57 GMT
#187
Btw, for those curious how exactly armor works in DotA, it's the exact same as in LoL, but with different scales--1 point of armor in DotA = 6 points of armor in LoL. The damage reduction is equivalent with that.
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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 08 2012 02:00 GMT
#188
On March 08 2012 10:57 TheYango wrote:
Btw, for those curious how exactly armor works in DotA, it's the exact same as in LoL, but with different scales--1 point of armor in DotA = 6 points of armor in LoL. The damage reduction is equivalent with that.


And there's no % penetration/flat penetration/% reduction/flat reduction priority queue. If it reduces armor, it reduces armor, and can make armor go negative.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 02:21:42
March 08 2012 02:19 GMT
#189
Should probably mention that Warmogs is very different to heart, with the passive. It does give the same HP boost though. But it does not give extra health as you kill more creeps while wearing it etc.



Queen of pain is way to item dependent to learn as your first hero. Even when leveling skills, for example if you are against certain heroes maxing Q can lead to an easier mid lane, but less of a ganking presence. (bloodseeker) etc. Also items are entirely dependent on the overall hero composition. Although hex is good, maybe you should build linkens against their team setup etc.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 08 2012 02:25 GMT
#190
On March 08 2012 10:56 Ryuu314 wrote:

Heart of Tarrasque = Non-stacking warmogs with FoN passive on steroids out of combat
BKB = stronger Doran's Blade(without lifesteal) with Olaf's Ult active
Shivas = Frozen Heart with Randuins active that also does solid damage
Linken's = Banshees
Blademail = Thornmail (activated effect, but it's 100% damage return)
Hood = FoN with no movespeed
Manta = PD/mini-QSS
Mekansm = Summoner Heal
Vladimir's = Zeke/Starks
Pipe = (new) Locket+FoN
Jango/Drum = Shurelia's(great, cheap buildup, great base stats, great teamfight active)
Daedalus = IE (it sucks in 90% of cases)
Battlefury = Tiamat on steroids
Sange and Yasha = Triforce w/out Sheen proc(Phage and Zeal respectively if not combined)
HotD = Wriggles with dominate creep in place of ward
Satanic = If Wriggles also gave you a ton of HP and a 175% lifesteal active
Mjollnir = Ionic Spark with a defensive Ionic spark active(chain lightning on being hit instead of hitting)
Skadi = Frozen Mallet (better but way more expensive; generally not good due to how expensive it is)
Diffusal Blade = old Wit's End w/ semi-exhaust active
Hand of Midas = Smite on steroids(can be considered like a giant gp5 item as well)
Boots of Travel = Teleport (can teleport to any non-hero ally)
Phase boots = Ghost

the other stuff, especially the big-ticket int. items don't really have a good LoL equivalent


Added/changed some comments to clarify some of the items further.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 02:38:14
March 08 2012 02:30 GMT
#191
Dagon - hextech gunblade active (minus slow) that can be upgraded for more damage
Assault Cuirass - old stark's fervor minus lifesteal with an additional armor aura
Arcane Boots - boots 2 with clarity summoner spell ability

Should also point out that Linken's is a Banshee's that only blocks TARGETED spells, but is also on half the recharge rate
SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
March 08 2012 02:31 GMT
#192
On March 08 2012 11:25 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 10:56 Ryuu314 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Heart of Tarrasque = Non-stacking warmogs with FoN passive on steroids out of combat
BKB = stronger Doran's Blade(without lifesteal) with Olaf's Ult active
Shivas = Frozen Heart with Randuins active that also does solid damage
Linken's = Banshees
Blademail = Thornmail (activated effect, but it's 100% damage return)
Hood = FoN with no movespeed
Manta = PD/mini-QSS
Mekansm = Summoner Heal
Vladimir's = Zeke/Starks
Pipe = (new) Locket+FoN
Jango/Drum = Shurelia's(great, cheap buildup, great base stats, great teamfight active)
Daedalus = IE (it sucks in 90% of cases)
Battlefury = Tiamat on steroids
Sange and Yasha = Triforce w/out Sheen proc(Phage and Zeal respectively if not combined)
HotD = Wriggles with dominate creep in place of ward
Satanic = If Wriggles also gave you a ton of HP and a 175% lifesteal active
Mjollnir = Ionic Spark with a defensive Ionic spark active(chain lightning on being hit instead of hitting)
Skadi = Frozen Mallet (better but way more expensive; generally not good due to how expensive it is)
Diffusal Blade = old Wit's End w/ semi-exhaust active
Hand of Midas = Smite on steroids(can be considered like a giant gp5 item as well)
Boots of Travel = Teleport (can teleport to any non-hero ally)
Phase boots = Ghost

the other stuff, especially the big-ticket int. items don't really have a good LoL equivalent


Added/changed some comments to clarify some of the items further.



Is deathfire grasp similar to dagon? (sorry been a while since i have played lol)
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 08 2012 02:33 GMT
#193
On March 08 2012 11:31 SirMilford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 11:25 red_ wrote:
On March 08 2012 10:56 Ryuu314 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Heart of Tarrasque = Non-stacking warmogs with FoN passive on steroids out of combat
BKB = stronger Doran's Blade(without lifesteal) with Olaf's Ult active
Shivas = Frozen Heart with Randuins active that also does solid damage
Linken's = Banshees
Blademail = Thornmail (activated effect, but it's 100% damage return)
Hood = FoN with no movespeed
Manta = PD/mini-QSS
Mekansm = Summoner Heal
Vladimir's = Zeke/Starks
Pipe = (new) Locket+FoN
Jango/Drum = Shurelia's(great, cheap buildup, great base stats, great teamfight active)
Daedalus = IE (it sucks in 90% of cases)
Battlefury = Tiamat on steroids
Sange and Yasha = Triforce w/out Sheen proc(Phage and Zeal respectively if not combined)
HotD = Wriggles with dominate creep in place of ward
Satanic = If Wriggles also gave you a ton of HP and a 175% lifesteal active
Mjollnir = Ionic Spark with a defensive Ionic spark active(chain lightning on being hit instead of hitting)
Skadi = Frozen Mallet (better but way more expensive; generally not good due to how expensive it is)
Diffusal Blade = old Wit's End w/ semi-exhaust active
Hand of Midas = Smite on steroids(can be considered like a giant gp5 item as well)
Boots of Travel = Teleport (can teleport to any non-hero ally)
Phase boots = Ghost

the other stuff, especially the big-ticket int. items don't really have a good LoL equivalent


Added/changed some comments to clarify some of the items further.



Is deathfire grasp similar to dagon? (sorry been a while since i have played lol)

I guess DFG is most similar to Dagon, but they function quite differently tbh.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 08 2012 02:34 GMT
#194
On March 08 2012 11:33 Ryuu314 wrote:
I guess DFG is most similar to Dagon, but they function quite differently tbh.

They function similarly in that they both kind of suck.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 08 2012 02:40 GMT
#195
On March 08 2012 11:34 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 11:33 Ryuu314 wrote:
I guess DFG is most similar to Dagon, but they function quite differently tbh.

They function similarly in that they both kind of suck.

DFG's better and sees more use than Dagon tho. But I will admit that they're both really gimmicky.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 08 2012 02:45 GMT
#196
Can anyone explain how to do the twitching hold on the auto animation when last hitting? The delay thing that pros do to time?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 08 2012 02:47 GMT
#197
On March 08 2012 11:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Can anyone explain how to do the twitching hold on the auto animation when last hitting? The delay thing that pros do to time?

Spam-press stop.
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SirMilford
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1269 Posts
March 08 2012 02:49 GMT
#198
Also, isn't zhyona's hourglass similar to the "Ghost scepter". Allthough zhyonas is invun and not moving, ghost is ehteral and no physical damage.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 08 2012 02:49 GMT
#199
On March 08 2012 11:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Can anyone explain how to do the twitching hold on the auto animation when last hitting? The delay thing that pros do to time?


Spam s or h while either standing closest to the creep you want to last hit(then you just stop spamming when you want to hit it), or do the above then right click the creep you actually want to hit(probably a better idea in case the target you automatically acquire isn't the right one).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 02:53:17
March 08 2012 02:52 GMT
#200
On March 08 2012 11:49 SirMilford wrote:
Also, isn't zhyona's hourglass similar to the "Ghost scepter". Allthough zhyonas is invun and not moving, ghost is ehteral and no physical damage.

That's a pretty significant difference. You can die by getting pasted by a nuke when you're a ghost, you're completely invuln while zhonyaing.

The only similarity pretty much is: physical attacks can't hurt you when you activate the item.
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