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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 29 2012 14:55 GMT
#161
On February 29 2012 23:49 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 23:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On February 29 2012 23:33 sob3k wrote:
Does anyone else find it amusing to buy boots when playing Cassiopeia?


There's almost not a single AP mid that you shouldn't start boots on in general...


He's talking about how Cassiopeia doesn't have feet.

Shhhh. It was funnier when he didnt get it.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 29 2012 15:11 GMT
#162
Alright, as some of you know, I'm at best a medium skill player who doesn't play ranked, since none of my friends do. We just end up playing a lot of normals.

In many games, I find that the team that has the most tanks/bruisers/tanky dps/what have you, will generally win through sheer attrition and because they're near impossible to kill in teamfights.

For example. Last night I played a game where I played Jarvan for the first time ever (very fun by the way), we had a terribad Volibear, a tanky-AP Naut, and a Maokai, with TF jungling. We won easily because past a certain point, their team of Alistar/Ashe/Lux/Rammus (jungle)/Riven just could do nothing to our health and resists, so we just stomped every teamfight and walked into their base, not giving a fuck about turrets or damage.

We ended up with nearly twice their kills, simply because we stopped dying past a certain point. This struck me as odd, because their team was a pretty solid setup that fit the meta near perfectly, but we just stomped them once laning ended.

Is this prevalent in higher ranks? How does a standard comp deal with something like this, other than resorting to "protect the Vayne/Kog" compositions?

In games where we actually do pick bruiser top/tanky jungle/AP mid/AD&support bot, we can't deal with full bruiser teams because of the exact reasons I won last night, which seems silly to me.
It's your boy Guzma!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 29 2012 15:12 GMT
#163
On February 29 2012 23:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 23:17 Shikyo wrote:
And then there's the other thing of all the pros maxing E first

http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=15900

Uhuh.

And say what you will about Regi's ability to ult with Cass, he one of the most devistating laners with cassio, if not the most.

A solomid guide? Regi maxes E first in all the games I've seen where he's played cass so interesting guide.
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 15:16:21
February 29 2012 15:16 GMT
#164
Dont like the looks of Fiora. Looks gay with her ever extended rapier.
Should have maybe made her male to make her real Taric gay. Which would be cool again.
Off-season = best season
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 29 2012 15:19 GMT
#165
On March 01 2012 00:12 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 23:35 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 29 2012 23:17 Shikyo wrote:
And then there's the other thing of all the pros maxing E first

http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=15900

Uhuh.

And say what you will about Regi's ability to ult with Cass, he one of the most devistating laners with cassio, if not the most.

A solomid guide? Regi maxes E first in all the games I've seen where he's played cass so interesting guide.

So find a game of him playing cass recently and figure out what skill he is actually leveling. ATM the only thing we have to go on is your word, and given your penchant for arguing incredibly stupid things with absolutely nothing to back it up, excuse me if I'm not exactly jumping at the opportunity to take your word for it.

But in either case, you dont have to max one over the other. Both are equally good choices depending on the style that you want to play off of.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 29 2012 15:24 GMT
#166
On March 01 2012 00:16 Redox wrote:
Dont like the looks of Fiora. Looks gay with her ever extended rapier.
Should have maybe made her male to make her real Taric gay. Which would be cool again.

Except that when you're fencing, you do always hold it up and out.
It's your boy Guzma!
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 29 2012 15:27 GMT
#167
playing fiona currently
she does a grand total of 0 damage lol
thought she was going to be frail, deft, high damage fencer. instead she's a frail, deft, no damage chump

t.t
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
February 29 2012 15:32 GMT
#168
On March 01 2012 00:24 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 00:16 Redox wrote:
Dont like the looks of Fiora. Looks gay with her ever extended rapier.
Should have maybe made her male to make her real Taric gay. Which would be cool again.

Except that when you're fencing, you do always hold it up and out.

Is that the way Taric also does it? (Sorry couldn't resist)
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 29 2012 15:33 GMT
#169
On February 29 2012 23:49 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 23:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On February 29 2012 23:33 sob3k wrote:
Does anyone else find it amusing to buy boots when playing Cassiopeia?


There's almost not a single AP mid that you shouldn't start boots on in general...


He's talking about how Cassiopeia doesn't have feet.


Oi...I need to stop posting right when I wake up.

Clearly that's enough Internet for me today
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Glaceau
Profile Joined February 2012
Wales333 Posts
February 29 2012 15:37 GMT
#170
yo what is up with the champion spotlight? its fuckin awful.

he just goes around doing random things then it just fades to another scene. reminds me of the last champion that was really bad on release...think it was cassieopia. where the spotlight was just trololol bad. Guessing fiona is awful then. I mean hes laning vs a nasus with like 200hp and he doesnt even go to kill him with ignite up, damage must be pretty bad
Cmon, swing it
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
February 29 2012 15:53 GMT
#171
Also where he explains how he uses a minion to dash onto Sion. But he actually uses flash to even get in range there.

Then he talks like 'see, gap closer!'
KCCO!
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 29 2012 15:59 GMT
#172
so some quick thoughts after 2 games with fiora:

her Q is pitiful in every way. it doesn't follow the normal guidelines for dashing skills: doesn't auto attack after the dash, doesn't target your dash target, and doesn't apply on-hit affects or apply an auto with the dash. it's really really wonky and really low damage.

her W returns flat damage instead of damage based on how hard you were hit. might be better in the jungle, but how does that make sense late-game? you block a tristana IE crit worth 800 and do 160 magic damage back? x.x

her E is a good steroid but it doesn't last long enough/has too high of a cooldown. it really only punishes people who stand there and fight, anyone who walks away will be fine. i ganked tristana at level 4 with this skill, waited til she jumped, gap-closed and activated E (WITH RED BUFF) and she was able to literally just walk back to her tower. no flash. it was sad

R seems to do total damage listed in the skill, not damage per ult hit? not sure on this, because i was running a low armor-pen jungling runepage but i don't think her ult is worded well? it just doesn't seem to do damage

her passive is basically non-existent. 12 hp / 6 seconds at level 1. resets if you attack another creep so attack speed is counterproductive unlike xin's passive. could potentially be good against champs but no competent player is going to let you stand and fight for 4 stacks



overall, really underwhelming. give me some MASSIVE DAMAGE, riot, i want to feel like master yi with jax's dodge, not like leona without CC lol.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 29 2012 16:02 GMT
#173
The q thing sounds like a bug. It seems like every time they release a champion with a dash they need to go back and adjust the way it targets after you dash.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 29 2012 16:11 GMT
#174
looking at her E design, it looks like it was designed for a game with BKB in it, but in LoL, a 3 second steroid with an 11 second CD at max level is just... lol.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
February 29 2012 16:13 GMT
#175
On February 29 2012 20:46 Unentschieden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 17:09 gtrsrs wrote:
On February 29 2012 16:58 BlackPaladin wrote:
I still don't get what's the point of making yi 2.0, now with boobs. :/


yi has abilities that scale off of AP. he's part of the old school of thought (or more correctly, no thought) of RIOT's. where they didn't make kits that made sense always. ap yi, ap trist, irelia having ap ratios, sion/gragas having high ap ratios (though, these turned out ok, just not as intended) are all examples of classic lol champs that are meant to be built one way but scale extensively off of a counterproductive stat

riot is now starting to make champs that have more cohesion in their skills. shyvana: magic damage, but still scales off of AD so you're encouraged to not build her like a fumbling retard. talon: no real AP ratios. fiora. voli/sej/nautilus having self-health scaling skills and wanting you to build them tanky


The big issue is that "fixing" Yi would change who he is. He wouldn´t just need adjustments to the obsolete Abilities=AP paradigm (which breaks the populat AP Yi build) but also the swinginess of his killreliant ult.
There are other iffinesses, Alpha strike is the most RNG ability in the game right now and meditate is either superstrong or (most of the time) nigh useless.
Fiora is Yi reborn with modernized design. No AP gimmick, offensive and defensive steroids from hitting enemies instead of rooting yourself, kills/assists are for one ability not four making her perform better in not 4v5 situations.


Uh. Fiora has to be Yi 3.0 since most people consider Nocturne to be Yi 2.0. =P

Yi still beats both in pure damage and his W is way more usefull than you guys make it out to be. Wait for some blown CC, walk in, press all buttons, bumrush carry, get focussed, press W. 2-5s right there where most of their dps goes onto a Yi for no reason.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 29 2012 16:13 GMT
#176
On March 01 2012 01:11 Mogwai wrote:
looking at her E design, it looks like it was designed for a game with BKB in it, but in LoL, a 3 second steroid with an 11 second CD at max level is just... lol.

Ya it looks like another case of riot getting scared of a kit as they were implementing it.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 29 2012 16:20 GMT
#177
Man I totally thought gtr was just kneejerking when I first read his stuff but after looking at her numbers, wtf were they thinking with this char? Nothing looks right at all.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
February 29 2012 16:23 GMT
#178
Sounds like hidden op. My new main champ imo.
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ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 16:34:08
February 29 2012 16:31 GMT
#179
I can totally see her being sleeper OP. From the two Dyrus games I saw, she did a LOT of damage. The problem seems to be executing it in a teamfight.
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 16:34:33
February 29 2012 16:31 GMT
#180
Yeah I noticed too that this spotlight was really bad. Seems like lame hero too. Reflection scales from ap
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