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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 29 2012 17:31 GMT
#201
How is Olaf's counterjungling early on? His 1v1thread is great once built, but how does it hold up with few to no items?

I know this should be in his thread, but everyone is here anyway.
It's your boy Guzma!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 29 2012 17:32 GMT
#202
alright, after some more looking, she might not be as bad as I just thought, but she still doesn't look right.

her Q is fine on paper, but sounds buggy compared to other dashes right now. this should be your first leveling priority, phreak's an idiot. -2 CD and +50 damage per level just shits on both her other abilities' scalings, but at the end of the day, it's still just a 2 part dash with decent damage scaling and is probably worse than Audatious Charge, Bladesurge, and Nimbus Strike.

W passive is boring but decent and active is just a terrible version of counterstrike, which already feels mediocre. the fact that it deals magic damage and scales off AP isn't really helping it's cause either. still, E sucks and as such, this should be your 2nd priority, mostly just for the free AD, but also because the CD scaling is more meaniful on this than on E.

E sucks. 3 seconds is garbage, no idea what they were thinking with that duration. it'll let you stick to a target just fine sans CC at level 1 and extra levels won't do shit to help the fact that it's useless vs. literally any form of CC other than silence. the value of that extra AS/MS is extremely low due to the short duration. 1 point at 4, leave till last to max.

R's numbers are mediocre, but might be ok due to on-hit schenanigans. Seriously, this character looks like her kit hinges on whether tiamat + R = AoE blowout or not, and that's pretty sad because without that, this is just a glorified alpha strike.

I guess what I'm really saying is that she looks terrible when I put her next to Wukong. Seems like he does everything her Q and E do together with just his E, hits harder because he has a good 2nd nuke, and has a much more useful and damaging R and disengage/mitigation from his W.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 29 2012 17:44 GMT
#203
I for sure thought that the E would have a passive component to it, but it doesn't, which kinda confuses me.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 29 2012 17:45 GMT
#204
Just got two guys in ranked FIGHTING to get support XD

«CleverClark: then someone pick me support
Mnescat: I want support myself
CleverClark: play something else plox
Bizzybone213: clark cant play anything else
CleverClark: im best as supp
Mnescat: me 2:S
CleverClark: haha
Mnescat: my other roles such donkeyballs
CleverClark: i dont rly train others in ranked»
The legend of Darien lives on
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
February 29 2012 17:47 GMT
#205
On March 01 2012 02:45 mr_tolkien wrote:
Just got two guys in ranked FIGHTING to get support XD

«CleverClark: then someone pick me support
Mnescat: I want support myself
CleverClark: play something else plox
Bizzybone213: clark cant play anything else
CleverClark: im best as supp
Mnescat: me 2:S
CleverClark: haha
Mnescat: my other roles such donkeyballs
CleverClark: i dont rly train others in ranked»


I had one single incident in my LoL life where someone trolled and fed because he didn't get to play support.

I wasn't sure if I'm in a bad comedy or if I just won the lottery. <3
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23400 Posts
February 29 2012 17:50 GMT
#206
I've had this happen a few times it's pretty hilarious. It kinda makes sense since you'll almost always get support if you want it, but it just feels like shaolin monks fighting over who gets to get sledgehammered on the bed of nails or something.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
February 29 2012 17:52 GMT
#207
Is the home page of the client completely black for anyone else?
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 29 2012 17:56 GMT
#208
On February 29 2012 20:04 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
So a Morello quote from the official forums :

''Atmogs is something I wanna chew up but we want to put more appropriate fighter items in first so they don't just leave the game''

Pretty interesting to say the least.


@mrtolkein yeah, with udyr and shyvanna I don't really have that problem. With warwick etc its different.

To be honest it's fallen out of favor quite hard imo. More bruisers are starting to take more team synergyizing items. such as shurelya's, or randuins, or so on, instead of warmogs.
liftlift > tsm
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 29 2012 17:58 GMT
#209
atmog's has been losing popularity for a long time. not sure why they consider it a problem still.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 29 2012 18:01 GMT
#210
On March 01 2012 02:58 Mogwai wrote:
atmog's has been losing popularity for a long time. not sure why they consider it a problem still.

because there is substantial delay between what is good at high elo and what is good below it, and it takes just as long for stuff to fall out of favor.

TBH all I want is a Bruta+Giants belt item. That would make pretty much all of my jungle's very happy. That and for FM to get fixed.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
February 29 2012 18:01 GMT
#211
On March 01 2012 02:56 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 20:04 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
So a Morello quote from the official forums :

''Atmogs is something I wanna chew up but we want to put more appropriate fighter items in first so they don't just leave the game''

Pretty interesting to say the least.


@mrtolkein yeah, with udyr and shyvanna I don't really have that problem. With warwick etc its different.

To be honest it's fallen out of favor quite hard imo. More bruisers are starting to take more team synergyizing items. such as shurelya's, or randuins, or so on, instead of warmogs.


The thing is tht if they add more bruiseresque items what's to stop them from taking warmogs and atmas and fromal and the new mystery item and being an even bigger killing force?

Personally I want rabadons and atmas removed or nerfed. Free stats on already cheap items are too easy of a decision in most builds
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 29 2012 18:03 GMT
#212
On March 01 2012 03:01 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 02:58 Mogwai wrote:
atmog's has been losing popularity for a long time. not sure why they consider it a problem still.

because there is substantial delay between what is good at high elo and what is good below it, and it takes just as long for stuff to fall out of favor.

TBH all I want is a Bruta+Giants belt item. That would make pretty much all of my jungle's very happy. That and for FM to get fixed.

Mallet has been trending up a lot even at high elos now. I doubt they'll buff it when it's already seeing a lot of play.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22580 Posts
February 29 2012 18:03 GMT
#213
On March 01 2012 02:32 Mogwai wrote:
alright, after some more looking, she might not be as bad as I just thought, but she still doesn't look right.

her Q is fine on paper, but sounds buggy compared to other dashes right now. this should be your first leveling priority, phreak's an idiot. -2 CD and +50 damage per level just shits on both her other abilities' scalings, but at the end of the day, it's still just a 2 part dash with decent damage scaling and is probably worse than Audatious Charge, Bladesurge, and Nimbus Strike.

W passive is boring but decent and active is just a terrible version of counterstrike, which already feels mediocre. the fact that it deals magic damage and scales off AP isn't really helping it's cause either. still, E sucks and as such, this should be your 2nd priority, mostly just for the free AD, but also because the CD scaling is more meaniful on this than on E.

E sucks. 3 seconds is garbage, no idea what they were thinking with that duration. it'll let you stick to a target just fine sans CC at level 1 and extra levels won't do shit to help the fact that it's useless vs. literally any form of CC other than silence. the value of that extra AS/MS is extremely low due to the short duration. 1 point at 4, leave till last to max.

R's numbers are mediocre, but might be ok due to on-hit schenanigans. Seriously, this character looks like her kit hinges on whether tiamat + R = AoE blowout or not, and that's pretty sad because without that, this is just a glorified alpha strike.

I guess what I'm really saying is that she looks terrible when I put her next to Wukong. Seems like he does everything her Q and E do together with just his E, hits harder because he has a good 2nd nuke, and has a much more useful and damaging R and disengage/mitigation from his W.


Ive been going E>Q>W sofar actualy but ill try your order out for sure and see if it helps her.
Im wondering tho what kind of build do you think could be good to try as a top laner.
Ive been going wriggles>BT>Mallet sofar to make use of lifesteal during ult to survive but it feels kinda weak in both damage and survivabilty.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23400 Posts
February 29 2012 18:04 GMT
#214
Mallet is not cost effective purely because of how strong a guarnteed perma slow can potentially be, and it's seeing play so I imagine it's fine.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 29 2012 18:06 GMT
#215
On March 01 2012 03:01 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 02:56 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 29 2012 20:04 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
So a Morello quote from the official forums :

''Atmogs is something I wanna chew up but we want to put more appropriate fighter items in first so they don't just leave the game''

Pretty interesting to say the least.


@mrtolkein yeah, with udyr and shyvanna I don't really have that problem. With warwick etc its different.

To be honest it's fallen out of favor quite hard imo. More bruisers are starting to take more team synergyizing items. such as shurelya's, or randuins, or so on, instead of warmogs.


The thing is tht if they add more bruiseresque items what's to stop them from taking warmogs and atmas and fromal and the new mystery item and being an even bigger killing force?

Personally I want rabadons and atmas removed or nerfed. Free stats on already cheap items are too easy of a decision in most builds

Im not sure atmas is a problem. It is good, but I feel a lot of the time there are better alternatives than atmas.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23400 Posts
February 29 2012 18:07 GMT
#216
Neither of them are a problem, Riots just making this up. Atmogs had short popularity and now it's good again. It used to seem like the ultimate bruiser combo but it really wasn't.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 29 2012 18:09 GMT
#217
On March 01 2012 03:07 Slayer91 wrote:
Neither of them are a problem, Riots just making this up. Atmogs had short popularity and now it's good again. It used to seem like the ultimate bruiser combo but it really wasn't.

Not to mention the basic fix that solved all of the "tanky dps meta "problems"" was dropping the cost of BF by 200 gold.

Something I proposed well in advance to that change.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 29 2012 18:10 GMT
#218
wriggle's -> I have no idea. mallet's retarded and I'll never forgive phreak for suggesting it when it scales poorly with her kit (HP undervalued due to ult + lifesteal healing yourself up a bunch and the passive healing you up (not sure how good her passive is, tough to tell from just numbers)). My baseline would be wriggle's -> spend 2.5-3.5K on AD -> GA/Omen/Banshee's, with that middle step being some combination of phage, brutalizer, hexdrinker, tiamat, and bloodthirster. I have no idea though, her kit is pretty nonsensical to me, seems to drive you towards AD, Lifesteal and Resists.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-29 18:14:12
February 29 2012 18:13 GMT
#219
This new champ is just a elaborate RIOT troll to make you pay 6.3 k IP for master yi.
Cackle™
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 29 2012 18:18 GMT
#220
Just played fiora in bot game, her kit is ridiculously strong, does tons of damage.
Things to note about her though, she has no reliable escape mechanics, she can't really push a lane aside from just autoattacking, she offers no utility except pure damage, her voice is annoying as fuck.
liftlift > tsm
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