[Patch 1.0.0.135: Fiora] General Discussion - Page 12

On March 01 2012 03:19 Alaric wrote:
Olaf is the only champ on whom (who?) I'd consider buying Warmogs, amongst all that I own. Resists+incidental HP from other items too good.

On March 01 2012 00:11 Requizen wrote:
Alright, as some of you know, I'm at best a medium skill player who doesn't play ranked, since none of my friends do. We just end up playing a lot of normals.

In many games, I find that the team that has the most tanks/bruisers/tanky dps/what have you, will generally win through sheer attrition and because they're near impossible to kill in teamfights.

For example. Last night I played a game where I played Jarvan for the first time ever (very fun by the way), we had a terribad Volibear, a tanky-AP Naut, and a Maokai, with TF jungling. We won easily because past a certain point, their team of Alistar/Ashe/Lux/Rammus (jungle)/Riven just could do nothing to our health and resists, so we just stomped every teamfight and walked into their base, not giving a fuck about turrets or damage.

We ended up with nearly twice their kills, simply because we stopped dying past a certain point. This struck me as odd, because their team was a pretty solid setup that fit the meta near perfectly, but we just stomped them once laning ended.

Is this prevalent in higher ranks? How does a standard comp deal with something like this, other than resorting to "protect the Vayne/Kog" compositions?

In games where we actually do pick bruiser top/tanky jungle/AP mid/AD&support bot, we can't deal with full bruiser teams because of the exact reasons I won last night, which seems silly to me.

On March 01 2012 03:25 red_ wrote:
The ult is clearly not meant for teamfights, I'm not sure where people are getting that(it's a really weak aoe if it hits 4 targets(can never hit 5 because it hits first target twice)), while on 1 target it's a pretty substantial nuke.

I'm going to go test stacking tiamats against bots first to see if it works(well?) before I go try it on real dudes.

On March 01 2012 03:32 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:

Yeah I've noticed myself having difficulty vs bruisers too. A fed bruiser, even just one, can carry a team. I think one big issue is a lack of voidstaffs and last whispers. I recall a game where salce faced a team with 5 enemy junglers. 5 enemies with smite who ganked and counterjungled the crap out of his friend. Salce was the only one on his team not feeding and he went something like 12-0 before finally getting shut down as ziggs. He just kept his distance and relied on his superior damage.
If you can't kite as well, well then I dunno.

On March 01 2012 03:34 Two_DoWn wrote:

The counter to bruisers is farm. Simple as that. If you cant farm, you will have trouble against bruisers. If you get farm and build with any shred of optimallity you will be fine against them.

Its the reason tanks are op at low elo: when you cant farm (hence being low elo) bruisers are very strong becasuse you cant kill them without farm.

On March 01 2012 03:42 Shikyo wrote:
THEORY:

Fiora definitely needs Frozen Mallet in my opinion or she has a ton of problems sticking to targets, also only when they're slowed can she utilize the aspd bonus of E fully.

Fioras ulti has 75% dmg reduction on everything except onhit.

Fioras E synergizes with onhit.

Conclusion:

I think Fiora should be built with Madreds Bloodrazor and Wits end and Frozen Mallet, with the last 2 items being something resistance-centric and tanky(synergy with passive and the frozen mallet), for instance FoN and Randuins Omen.


/Pure theorycraft

On March 01 2012 03:10 Mogwai wrote:
wriggle's -> I have no idea. mallet's retarded and I'll never forgive phreak for suggesting it when it scales poorly with her kit (HP undervalued due to ult + lifesteal healing yourself up a bunch and the passive healing you up (not sure how good her passive is, tough to tell from just numbers)). My baseline would be wriggle's -> spend 2.5-3.5K on AD -> GA/Omen/Banshee's, with that middle step being some combination of phage, brutalizer, hexdrinker, tiamat, and bloodthirster. I have no idea though, her kit is pretty nonsensical to me, seems to drive you towards AD, Lifesteal and Resists.

On March 01 2012 03:42 Shikyo wrote:
THEORY:

Fiora definitely needs Frozen Mallet in my opinion or she has a ton of problems sticking to targets, also only when they're slowed can she utilize the aspd bonus of E fully.

Fioras ulti has 75% dmg reduction on everything except onhit.

Fioras E synergizes with onhit.

Conclusion:

I think Fiora should be built with Madreds Bloodrazor and Wits end and Frozen Mallet, with the last 2 items being something resistance-centric and tanky(synergy with passive and the frozen mallet), for instance FoN and Randuins Omen.


/Pure theorycraft

On March 01 2012 03:45 Two_DoWn wrote:



Who to believe

On March 01 2012 03:46 Shikyo wrote:

Well he doesn't like Frozen Mallet on WW when the 2 best WWs in the world always go for it

Edit:

Oh and yeah I don't know why not play WW instead either, Fiora just seems like a bad champion. But when you're building pure DPS aren't you asking yourself "Why am I not playing Tryndamere?"

On March 01 2012 03:46 Shikyo wrote:

Well he doesn't like Frozen Mallet on WW when the 2 best WWs in the world always go for it

Edit:

Oh and yeah I don't know why not play WW instead either, Fiora just seems like a bad champion. But when you're building pure DPS aren't you asking yourself "Why am I not playing Tryndamere?"



OH yeah and I definitely think that Q should have been made to proc onhits, I think it's really silly that it doesn't.

On March 01 2012 03:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
I actually dont know why tryndamere fell out of favor so fast. All they did was nerf the heal on q, which you never actually used anyway.

He still crushes anyone who stands still vs him, and you aint doing shit to him in terms of burst once he gets wriggles cuz he just crits 2 creeps and is back to full health.

On March 01 2012 03:50 Two_DoWn wrote:
I actually dont know why tryndamere fell out of favor so fast. All they did was nerf the heal on q, which you never actually used anyway.

He still crushes anyone who stands still vs him, and you aint doing shit to him in terms of burst once he gets wriggles cuz he just crits 2 creeps and is back to full health.