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qanik
Denmark1899 Posts
On February 29 2012 21:11 mr_tolkien wrote: Maxing Q first is usually better for Cass, gives pushing power, and you'll Q anyway before your Es ^^ I can't imagine a scenario where maxing Q would be the better choice for cass. E gives you the ability to zone enemy very early on. Without E cass' harass deals like no dmg lol.. and let's not forget W also procs CDR on E. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On February 29 2012 21:55 qanik wrote: I can't imagine a scenario where maxing Q would be the better choice for cass. E gives you the ability to zone enemy very early on. Without E cass' harass deals like no dmg lol.. and let's not forget W also procs CDR on E. Maxing E is better if you open revolver -> wota. Maxing Q is better with every other build. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On February 29 2012 17:09 gtrsrs wrote: yi has abilities that scale off of AP. he's part of the old school of thought (or more correctly, no thought) of RIOT's. where they didn't make kits that made sense always. ap yi, ap trist, irelia having ap ratios, sion/gragas having high ap ratios (though, these turned out ok, just not as intended) are all examples of classic lol champs that are meant to be built one way but scale extensively off of a counterproductive stat riot is now starting to make champs that have more cohesion in their skills. shyvana: magic damage, but still scales off of AD so you're encouraged to not build her like a fumbling retard. talon: no real AP ratios. fiora. voli/sej/nautilus having self-health scaling skills and wanting you to build them tanky Actually, it's the opposite. The old school of thought was like "build him whatever the fuck you want and see what happens" which actually encouraged skill and exploration. It didn't work with some (Trist, Yi), but worked wonders on others (Jax, Akali, Kog, Ezreal) where you could build a gazillion different items all having effect so you could ponder on different builds for ages, sometimes coming up with brilliant ones. Right now we get champions like "all my skills scale off of AD so fuck creativity, you need a bloodthirster". Kog is one example of good design where you have at least 3 routes (mage, ranged DPS and proc-based tank-melter) that all work. And a huge amount of build deviations that depend on enemy team comps etc. You can't do that with someone like Graves, you're pretty much only limited to pure AD builds and don't even need to press tab at any moment in the game to decide your items. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 29 2012 22:01 Dandel Ion wrote: Maxing E is better if you open revolver -> wota. Maxing Q is better with every other build. I disagree, I think maxing E is better always unless it's a lane where you need Q to farm because you're getting denied(Doesn't exist). Maxing E first you can 1-shot everyone if you land one Q. | ||
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Wetty
Australia419 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 29 2012 22:40 Shikyo wrote: I disagree, I think maxing E is better always unless it's a lane where you need Q to farm because you're getting denied(Doesn't exist). Maxing E first you can 1-shot everyone if you land one Q. You are highly discounting the range difference on q. Q is basically free harass, and carries absolutly no risk. E requiers giving up positioning in order to actually follow through on damage. Not to mention maxing q makes it so hitting someone with q makes it so you can 100-0 someone too. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 29 2012 19:46 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: A question regarding the jungle:- I primarily started playing junglers when the new jungle was implemented so I'm not sure how it used to be before. But right now, usually it seems I keep farming wolves, wraiths & buffs and plenty of times I feel like going to small golems just takes too much time. So I end up skipping small gols plenty of time (especially when I'm playing single target jungles like warwick) and usually only bother doing them when I'm going in that area anyways like for a gank or something. Am I doing something wrong? Or doing small gols evrytime they're up isn't optimal now? A big thing that you should be paying attention too is the route that you take when you go to base and come from base. For example, pay attention to the order in which you take camps and the order they will respawn, as well as where you are going to try to end up, then look at which camps are up and going to be spawning. I have actually found that if you put a little planning into what route you are going to be taking at all times instead of just running around willy nilly you end up being able to get a lot more farm than otherwise. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22353 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:07 sob3k wrote: What I want to know about Fiora is how long you can wait before activating her second dash. Lane harasss with dash in, parry, hithithihit....dash out is gonna be the best, but not if you only have 2 seconds You can only dash to enemy targets i think so that highly limits the ability to escape with it. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:06 Two_DoWn wrote: You are highly discounting the range difference on q. Q is basically free harass, and carries absolutly no risk. E requiers giving up positioning in order to actually follow through on damage. Not to mention maxing q makes it so hitting someone with q makes it so you can 100-0 someone too. Well I've played her quite a bit and actually maxing Q first really isn't that good, you have no burst and Q is very predictable and everyone knows when to run away so it doesn't kill you, that really isn't going to 100-0 anyone. Not to mention that it's really difficult to hit and spamming it when maxing it first makes you run out of mana super fast. If you instead max E first you can just spam Q all day and when you hit one you can E a few times for a ton of dmg. The 625 or whatever range on it still is far from melee. And then there's the other thing of all the pros maxing E first On February 29 2012 23:07 sob3k wrote: What I want to know about Fiora is how long you can wait before activating her second dash. Lane harasss with dash in, parry, hithithihit....dash out is gonna be the best, but not if you only have 2 seconds Its 4 seconds and at max rank its 8s cooldown which means you can almost have instantaneous triple dash if you do it right. (With CDR) | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On February 29 2012 22:40 Shikyo wrote: I disagree, I think maxing E is better always unless it's a lane where you need Q to farm because you're getting denied(Doesn't exist). Maxing E first you can 1-shot everyone if you land one Q. I'm not sure if we're on the same page for what maxing first means. For the record, I max Q at level 12. People are way too focused on maxing everything on 9 anyways. You will kill anyone in lane regardless of which one you leveled. Cass is sweet like that. But Q lets you push the lane more easily after you killed the opponent. Plus it lets you farm from way back, in case your lane gets camped by a jungler (which does happen often, mids usually CRY for ganks on Cass constantly) So, Q lets you deny more XP. E only takes priority if you have spellvamp, because it's just such a good spell for abusing it to hell and back. €: On February 29 2012 23:17 Shikyo wrote: And then there's the other thing of all the pros maxing E first The only pro I would trust with anything regarding Cass is Oce, and he does his Wota + revolver gimmicky spellvamp-centered build, in which he of course needs to max E. | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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Tryndamere
Canada145 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:07 sob3k wrote: What I want to know about Fiora is how long you can wait before activating her second dash. Lane harasss with dash in, parry, hithithihit....dash out is gonna be the best, but not if you only have 2 seconds You can activate it immediately, although sometimes it only allows me to use it once. I don't know if it's a bug or not. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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Tryndamere
Canada145 Posts
On February 29 2012 22:40 Wetty wrote: So Fiora is good fun, seems to have some similar fall downs to Yi (Once you commit, its hard to get out, CC hurts you) but her deaggro (ult compared to alpha) is much stronger. Her steriods are silly good (130% AS??), her cooldowns are massive, but if you get it right, shes great fun. Built wriggles/bt/ga/wits/madreds (it was a long game) and she does a massive amount of dmg like that. Yeah, but in terms of escape Yi is better but he can't be shut down during ult. I am tempted to try YG on her to reduce some CDs and the AS on YG will synergize with her skills. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:17 Shikyo wrote: And then there's the other thing of all the pros maxing E first http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=15900 Uhuh. And say what you will about Regi's ability to ult with Cass, he one of the most devistating laners with cassio, if not the most. | ||
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lurked
Canada918 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:33 sob3k wrote: Does anyone else find it amusing to buy boots when playing Cassiopeia? I don't play her often, but I thought the exact same thing the first time I played her... ^^ | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:33 sob3k wrote: Does anyone else find it amusing to buy boots when playing Cassiopeia? There's almost not a single AP mid that you shouldn't start boots on in general... | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On February 29 2012 23:46 jcarlsoniv wrote: There's almost not a single AP mid that you shouldn't start boots on in general... He's talking about how Cassiopeia doesn't have feet. | ||
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